How short is Bonds of the HR record?

lawnmowerman

I didnt follow him at all this year. How many more dingers does he need to break the record?

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dirtmonkey

Think he still needs 21 if I heard correctly

lawnmowerman

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I think he comes back to try and break the record if for no other reason than to rub it in the face of all the people that hate him.

The record will forever be tainted in the minds of many no matter what the official baseball record book says.

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I think he comes back to try and break the record if for no other reason than to rub it in the face of all the people that hate him.

The record will forever be tainted in the minds of many no matter what the official baseball record book says. >>




*I agree

hardcorehockeyfan

Why is he light years short in common decency? Because he will not sign a baseball for "fans," because said fan would just turn around and sell his auto for a profit? And as I have said many times in the past, if he was allegedly on steroids, I want to see a failed drug test, in his name, witnessed by two notary publics, with three different samples that were failed!

grote15

Why is he light years short in common decency? Because he will not sign a baseball for "fans," because said fan would just turn around and sell his auto for a profit? And as I have said many times in the past, if he was allegedly on steroids, I want to see a failed drug test, in his name, witnessed by two notary publics, with three different samples that were failed!

If you truly believe that Barry Bonds didn't abuse steroids, then you are absolutely clueless! If it weren't for Selig and the institution of baseball, he'd be in federal prison by now! Barry Bonds is an absolute disgrace to the game of baseball. More so, because he didn't need to take steroids, but chose to because he couldn't stand to watch Sosa and McGwire get all the accolades.

hardcorehockeyfan

I did not say he did not do steroids. But whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty." If Barry Bonds was an outgoing ball player, one with the fans, he would not get 1/2 the scorn he gets now, and that is fact!

I also said this before, "anyone who profited off his home run chase, supported steroids also!" Those who bought his rookie cards, to see them appreciate, and sold them for profit, is one with the juice as much as he is, allegedly!

ToppsCo1lector

In my mind he'll never hold the record.

grote15

In my mind he'll never hold the record.

Agreed. Bonds is a cheater and a disgarce to the game. To equate what he did with card collectors selling his cards is ridiculous. Let's ask John Rocker what he thinks about it.

hardcorehockeyfan

<< <i> In my mind he'll never hold the record.

Agreed. Bonds is a cheater and a disgarce to the game. To equate what he did with card collectors selling his cards is ridiculous. Let's ask John Rocker what he thinks about it. >>



John Rocker has made his comments about what he thinks, he was in fact, on a show with Jose Canseco. Jose Canseco, scorned for the book that opened everyone's eyes, yet, hated by many! As I say, and many others say, let me see a failed drug test, then I will write his records off in my mind also! As of right now, he has not been found guilty, except by "anonymous sources," and those are just as good as the craps I get from Taco Bell or White Castles! If Bonds is a cheater, then so are all those 70s players who needed speed to rise up for a game, etc etc etc. Or is one version of cheating OK, and the other is not, do we have another double standard here?

ToppsCo1lector

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Agreed. Bonds is a cheater and a disgarce to the game. To equate what he did with card collectors selling his cards is ridiculous. Let's ask John Rocker what he thinks about it. >>



John Rocker has made his comments about what he thinks, he was in fact, on a show with Jose Canseco. Jose Canseco, scorned for the book that opened everyone's eyes, yet, hated by many! As I say, and many others say, let me see a failed drug test, then I will write his records off in my mind also! As of right now, he has not been found guilty, except by "anonymous sources," and those are just as good as the craps I get from Taco Bell or White Castles! If Bonds is a cheater, then so are all those 70s players who needed speed to rise up for a game, etc etc etc. Or is one version of cheating OK, and the other is not, do we have another double standard here? >>



There is a monstrous difference between methamphetamines and anabolics.

hardcorehockeyfan

There is a difference, and yet, there are none. Last I saw, both are illegal substances, as regards to the law, let alone as to regards of what MLB says! Either way, all are bad, but regarding Bonds, I have yet to see a failed drug test, therefore, his records are what they are! I still value the "innocent until proven guilty" words that I see written in law!

ToppsCo1lector

<< <i>There is a difference, and yet, there are none. Last I saw, both are illegal substances, as regards to the law, let alone as to regards of what MLB says! Either way, all are bad, but regarding Bonds, I have yet to see a failed drug test, therefore, his records are what they are! I still value the "innocent until proven guilty" words that I see written in law! >>



Well, I agree with you there hockeyfan. Although as a yut I remember the explosion(unnatural) of home runs in the 90's. I grew up not only a fan of the game, a baseball collector, but also as a little league 2nd-3rd(mainly)-1st(when our big guy was pitching) baseman. Even as a kid, I realized that something must've been in a lot of guys. Simply put, Brady Andersons 50hr season. I do though, see that there is just a TON of evidence linking Bonds. From his trainer, to others "admissions", and of course to his own physique.

hardcorehockeyfan

But you go from Bonds, to I-Rod, to Sosa, to McGwire, to Canseco (admitted), to Palmiero, to anyone else. Where does it stop, and who is to say who did or did not do whatever there was down the pike. Many have suspicions, but until I see failed drug tests (as of now only big name has been Rafael), then I will not follow suit. How do you know the big guns nowadays, like Pujols or Howard are not on, or did not ever take anything? If everyone gets the cloud on them, then that sure would not make baseball fun any longer. You are a Yankees fan, but I do not see Giambi or Sheffield get 1/4 of the hate that is on the doorstep of Bonds on a daily basis! I just call it how I see it!

ToppsCo1lector

<< <i>But you go from Bonds, to I-Rod, to Sosa, to McGwire, to Canseco (admitted), to Palmiero, to anyone else. Where does it stop, and who is to say who did or did not do whatever there was down the pike. Many have suspicions, but until I see failed drug tests (as of now only big name has been Rafael), then I will not follow suit. How do you know the big guns nowadays, like Pujols or Howard are not on, or did not ever take anything? If everyone gets the cloud on them, then that sure would not make baseball fun any longer. You are a Yankees fan, but I do not see Giambi or Sheffield get 1/4 of the hate that is on the doorstep of Bonds on a daily basis! I just call it how I see it! >>



Well, I(as well as everyone but the players themselves) don't know who "boosted" their play with illegal substances. I'm a fan of the game, and as with all sports there will be those who look to gain that extra edge. But, as a Yankee fan I hope that Sheff and Giambi are cut loose from the team. It's a disgrace in my book, to be admitted users and still be in the MLB. I hope the game is cleaner now, although I have my doubts. To be honest, I watched more games this past season than I have in the past 5 years. The playoff races in the AL East, Central, West as well as the NL West and Wildcard was great to watch.

hardcorehockeyfan

I have watched as much baseball this year, as I have watched since I was a kid, time permitting of course. I have come from the depths of frustration with the Tigers, to see them go further than anyone expected! Back in '94, I almost gave up on the game, but it was two "steroid puppies" who got everyone back into the game during the summer of '98! I have said it before, in a way, steroids saved the game, but as I have also said, have not seen the big name players with a "failed drug test" on their resume, with the exception of one! But if a person starts on one player just because he is a "dlck," then all those under the cloud should get the same scorn, regardless of whether said player is chasing a beloved record or not! Until then, good luck to Barry, and I would love to see him get the record in a Tigers uniform, he would be that big left handed stick we may need!

ToppsCo1lector

<< <i>I have watched as much baseball this year, as I have watched since I was a kid, time permitting of course. I have come from the depths of frustration with the Tigers, to see them go further than anyone expected! Back in '94, I almost gave up on the game, but it was two "steroid puppies" who got everyone back into the game during the summer of '98! I have said it before, in a way, steroids saved the game, but as I have also said, have not seen the big name players with a "failed drug test" on their resume, with the exception of one! But if a person starts on one player just because he is a "dlck," then all those under the cloud should get the same scorn, regardless of whether said player is chasing a beloved record or not! Until then, good luck to Barry, and I would love to see him get the record in a Tigers uniform, he would be that big left handed stick we may need! >>



I personally believe what brought back the more "fans of the game" post-strike was Cal Ripkens streak, but that's just me.

hardcorehockeyfan

I give props to Ripken getting that record, but what special accolades does he deserve over any other person who works for a living? He played in 2500+ or whatever games, games played in 6 months out of the year. Keep in mind, I work all year round, and I take my vacations and my sick/personal days, but it does not even equal 1/4 the amount of days an athlete receives off in a given year! And on top of that, he was paid probably 1,000 times more than I am. The avoiding injury thing in sports is special indeed, but he deserves no more praise than any working stiff who shows up to a job they hate on a daily basis, because they need that crappy job just to pay the bills! Just my two cents!

80sJunkie

<< If Bonds is a cheater, then so are all those 70s players who needed speed to rise up for a game, etc etc etc. Or is one version of cheating OK, and the other is not, do we have another double standard here? >>


This is a load of crap because what the players did in the 70's doesn't compare. REDS BLUES BLACKS whatever they took to stay awake did not make them hit homeruns. They still had raw power to do it. Roids makes a player bigger and a average guy like bonds a power hitter.
Its apples to oranges you cant compar.

Plus in defense of big mac. He hit 44 homeruns his rookie year and was a consistant power hitter. look at bonds through the years only in the alleged steroid years was he a power hitter. 20 - 30 homeruns a year is nothing. come on now yeah there are no dirty teast for bonds but the evidence is right in your face. He will always be guilty in the minds of people who can read the writing on the wall

Wabittwax

<< <i>If it weren't for Selig and the institution of baseball, he'd be in federal prison by now! >>



Yet we all still drop hundreds of millions of dollars on this game. Obviously no one cares all that much. I'm sure many of the people on here that call today's game "tainted", are the same people spending $200 to attend a ballgame.

With Bonds, I say prove it or give him the record (if he breaks it). If we taint every record that overshadows yesterdays "heroes", then where will it stop?

hardcorehockeyfan

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Yet we all still drop hundreds of millions of dollars on this game. Obviously no one cares all that much. I'm sure many of the people on here that call today's game "tainted", are the same people spending $200 to attend a ballgame.

With Bonds, I say prove it or give him the record (if he breaks it). If we taint every record that overshadows yesterdays "heroes", then where will it stop? >>



Agreed!

Also, steroids do not help you hit a 90 MPH fastball or a curveball, as mentioned many times redundantly! And, I want to see the scientific mathematical equations to pinpoint exactly, the extra percentage juicing would give you in overall home run distance.

If I was a famous athlete, why must I be outgoing. Sure, fans essentially pay the salary, but it is the athlete's skills that put them on the field. And in this day and age, people get an autograph just to sell it, why should you profit off an athlete's signature? Basically, I would be like, "want my auto, pay for it!"

Edited to add: many people probably wish I was dead, you have people in life who like you, people who love you, and people who resent the livng hell out of you. One cannot please everyone! And some of it can be jealousy!

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