It's a pretty easy fraud to uncover. Here is where he got his 1877 cent pictures. 1877 cent link I'm sure you could find where most of the other pictures have been lifted from with a little detective work. Only a fool would bid on his items.
<< <i>It's a pretty easy fraud to uncover. Here is where he got his 1877 cent pictures. 1877 cent link I'm sure you could find where most of the other pictures have been lifted from with a little detective work. Only a fool would bid on his items. >>
yup, same exact coin no doubt. I emailed the high bidder to inform him, as well as the seller to inform him that we are on to his scam.
He sounds to me like smoeone whos father owned/ran a coin store; has passed and the son who has not interest in the coins is selling them. I don't see anything wrong with his listings or his prices and as for 0 feedback everyone has to start smoewhere!
I had 0 feedback until I made my first eBay transaction also not a great mystery!
He is putting up new items every 15 minutes or so... Here was his reply to me--
iam a new member but iam sure in a few weeks the feedback will show a better light on me.so if feel uncomfortable with bidding give it some time iam sure in the future you will change your mind and you might find some coins of interest.i want you to be comfortable with my auctions and come back to do business again.thanks for your interest in my auctions
<Maybe, like me, he hasn't figured out how to take decent pictures of his own!>
garsmith...I don't do to good in the pic end of this medium either, I don't have one of those "Holy Macro" lenses, but when you start to list key date coins, you'd better be ready to learn. Using stock jpg's is fine with me, but to use someone elses auction photos...not on just one but several, well that's a no-no in my book, I have my reservations about this seller...let's just see how long he lasts out there...the test of time will tell.
It would be simple for eBay to setup a few temporary rules for members with zero feedback - require Paypal (PayPal only), accept returns, and can't sell items with an opening bid more than $100. But it's easier to permit scammers to list $5,000 items with stolen photos with no Paypal and no returns.
So what happens now?? If this was a storefront, an Internet "store" or an advertisement in the back of a periodical wouldn't there be mail fraud charges...or attempted fraud??? Something? Or...because this scammer didn't actually succeed this time he gets away? Only when someone actually gets "ripped-off" is there a crime? Just wondering...
Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;
Also, the scammer must have a plan on how to cash all the checks you send before disappearing. Perhaps they've opened a bank account with a stolen ID and were operating out of a hotel room. They've probably already left town. You know I call a spade a spade and I think the ebay posse did a good job here. --jerry
I was pleased to see the seller was NARU'd, but wish there was a way to prevent his/her return in a more stealthy manner (e.g. trying only one or two key coins at a time instead of a huge killing)
<< <i><<the seller is lifting others auction pics!>>
Maybe, like me, he hasn't figured out how to take decent pictures of his own! >>
Had this been the case, then maybe, just maybe, stealing other peoples work and engaging in copyright infringement was not the best solution to the problem. Maybe.
<< <i>He sounds to me like smoeone whos father owned/ran a coin store; has passed and the son who has not interest in the coins is selling them. I don't see anything wrong with his listings or his prices and as for 0 feedback everyone has to start smoewhere! >>
<< <i>He sounds to me like smoeone whos father owned/ran a coin store; has passed and the son who has not interest in the coins is selling them. I don't see anything wrong with his listings or his prices and as for 0 feedback everyone has to start smoewhere! >>
I am new to the coin world (I had done sports cards for over 25 years) but I just wanted to point out how amazed I am at the people on this site. I think a big salute goes out to all the people that play the role of watchdog. You get involved when you don't have to. I don't think that enough people out there know how much other people, exactly like you guys, save them an enourmous amount of money and headaches. So even thou they may not say it and probably don't even know its happening.......hats off, give yourselves a pat on the back and take a bow! You guys could simply click the close button on the browser but you spring into action (quickly I might add). Maybe the true definition of the coin collector doesn't lie in grades, profits, or registerys...perhaps its about the integrity of the hobby itself. Anyways, just some thoughts about the great things that go unnoticed to alot of people.
Another example of what originally attracted me to the board here... And no, I don't think that Gar was being sarcastic - but everyone is allowed a slip in judgement occasionally
<< <i>I am new to the coin world (I had done sports cards for over 25 years) but I just wanted to point out how amazed I am at the people on this site. I think a big salute goes out to all the people that play the role of watchdog. You get involved when you don't have to. I don't think that enough people out there know how much other people, exactly like you guys, save them an enourmous amount of money and headaches. So even thou they may not say it and probably don't even know its happening.......hats off, give yourselves a pat on the back and take a bow! You guys could simply click the close button on the browser but you spring into action (quickly I might add). Maybe the true definition of the coin collector doesn't lie in grades, profits, or registerys...perhaps its about the integrity of the hobby itself. Anyways, just some thoughts about the great things that go unnoticed to alot of people. >>
Sometimes I think the ebay posse gets a little carried away and they're ready to lynch sellers for incompetence rather than unethical behavoir but they did a great job in this case and didn't jump to any conclusions at all. This one was a relatively well done scam that could have taken money from some of us. --Jerry
Well said!! Although I'm not in a position to buy at the moment, I for one would have been lured in by the 1877 IHC. It's a coin that I routinely look for when I'm coming into consulting money and the last hole that I need to fill for that series. The picture that was lifted was of a borderline VF/XF coin with no problems and nice eye appeal. I'm glad that the nice people of this forum were able to reveal the scam before anyone got hurt.
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Rick - He says the coins are part of his dealer/father's estate. Why would you doubt him? I sent him a message...
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<< <i> He recently got into dealing and is a savvy buyer.
Rick - He says the coins are part of his dealer/father's estate. Why would you doubt him? I sent him a message... >>
I didn't say I doubted him. I believe every word every seller on eBay writes.
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What does this mean? Is there some sort of e-bay/pay-pal rule that estates sales through them are void?
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<< <i>I didn't say I doubted him. I believe every word every seller on eBay writes. >>
These "260 Morgan dollars" look more like "259 Morgans and 1 Peace dollar." Other than that I trust him completely.
I'm sure you could find where most of the other pictures have been lifted from with a little detective work. Only a fool would bid on his items.
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<< <i>I didn't say I doubted him. I believe every word every seller on eBay writes. >>
These "260 Morgan dollars" look more like "259 Morgans and 1 Peace dollar." Other than that I trust him completely.
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<< <i>It's a pretty easy fraud to uncover. Here is where he got his 1877 cent pictures. 1877 cent link
I'm sure you could find where most of the other pictures have been lifted from with a little detective work. Only a fool would bid on his items. >>
yup, same exact coin no doubt. I emailed the high bidder to inform him, as well as the seller to inform him that we are on to his scam.
Doug
Item number: 150043677241 Here is the link:
stolen 1916-D pic
I'm not trying to be a coin cop, but it is fun to spend 15 minutes on this hunt and wipe out an entire afternoon of work by this scammer.
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What the heck is that pic about really?
<< <i>WoodenJefferson---
What the heck is that pic about really? >>
I spent 50% of time goofing around, the other 50% serious collector of US Coins...there is a fine line when it comes to balancing that.
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I had 0 feedback until I made my first eBay transaction also not a great mystery!
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Maybe thats the ultra rare 1921 Morgan with a Peace reverse
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Maybe, like me, he hasn't figured out how to take decent pictures of his own!
iam a new member but iam sure in a few weeks the feedback will show
a better light on me.so if feel uncomfortable
with bidding give it some time iam sure in the future you will change your mind and you might find some coins of interest.i want you to be comfortable with my auctions and come back to do business again.thanks for your interest in my auctions
edited...oppps...tool too long to respond...yep..definitely the same coin...L
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garsmith...I don't do to good in the pic end of this medium either, I don't have one of those "Holy Macro" lenses, but when you start to list key date coins, you'd better be ready to learn. Using stock jpg's is fine with me, but to use someone elses auction photos...not on just one but several, well that's a no-no in my book, I have my reservations about this seller...let's just see how long he lasts out there...the test of time will tell.
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<< <i>well...at least the 1877 Indian Head Cent looks to be real and at least close to XF. >>
Sure it does, with pictures borrowed from other auctions. . .
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<< <i>well...at least the 1877 Indian Head Cent looks to be real and at least close to XF. >>
Sure it does, with pictures borrowed from other auctions. . . >>
...had the response window open too long...sorry...
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<< <i><<the seller is lifting others auction pics!
Maybe, like me, he hasn't figured out how to take decent pictures of his own!
Had this been the case, then maybe, just maybe, stealing other peoples work and engaging in copyright infringement was not the best solution to the problem. Maybe.
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<< <i>He sounds to me like smoeone whos father owned/ran a coin store; has passed and the son who has not interest in the coins is selling them. I don't see anything wrong with his listings or his prices and as for 0 feedback everyone has to start smoewhere! >>
That was sarcasm, right?
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>He sounds to me like smoeone whos father owned/ran a coin store; has passed and the son who has not interest in the coins is selling them. I don't see anything wrong with his listings or his prices and as for 0 feedback everyone has to start smoewhere! >>
That was sarcasm, right?
Russ, NCNE >>
i sure hope so, or very naive at best
Doug
...and I don't mean in a good way...L
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<< <i>I am new to the coin world (I had done sports cards for over 25 years) but I just wanted to point out how amazed I am at the people on this site. I think a big salute goes out to all the people that play the role of watchdog. You get involved when you don't have to. I don't think that enough people out there know how much other people, exactly like you guys, save them an enourmous amount of money and headaches. So even thou they may not say it and probably don't even know its happening.......hats off, give yourselves a pat on the back and take a bow! You guys could simply click the close button on the browser but you spring into action (quickly I might add). Maybe the true definition of the coin collector doesn't lie in grades, profits, or registerys...perhaps its about the integrity of the hobby itself. Anyways, just some thoughts about the great things that go unnoticed to alot of people. >>
Sometimes I think the ebay posse gets a little carried away and they're ready to lynch sellers for incompetence rather than unethical behavoir but they did a great job in this case and didn't jump to any conclusions at all. This one was a relatively well done scam that could have taken money from some of us. --Jerry
Well said!! Although I'm not in a position to buy at the moment, I for one would have been lured in by the 1877 IHC. It's a coin that I routinely look for when I'm coming into consulting money and the last hole that I need to fill for that series. The picture that was lifted was of a borderline VF/XF coin with no problems and nice eye appeal. I'm glad that the nice people of this forum were able to reveal the scam before anyone got hurt.
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