Should this coin slab ? EDITED ***Full coin pics added ***

JRocco

I am not including the name of the TPG company here.
I do not think it is necessary to talk about any 1 company vs another here.
Do you think this coin should have been slabbed? Do you think a mention of the cleaning should be included on the label?
Should this coin be sent in for review with a call on the guarantee? The lines are very visible.
Please opine.

DickyBetz

if those are hairlines, then i think it should have been bbed

JRocco

Oh they are cleaning lines....

ABC123

MS66 SEGS

majorbigtime

Should this coin slab ?

No way--unless it has a notation "scratched"!

Leiana

Odd that it only appears on one part of the coin.

I think if I was the grader I would have no-graded it. Those look like pretty recent marks. The rest of the coin looks pretty dark.

-Amanda

ziggy29

No -- not at PCGS or NGC, anyway. At NCS or ANACS with damage noted, sure.

WoodenJefferson

Those look like pretty harsh "abrasion" lines/marks, but not like it was intened to remove a cluster of corrosion, or something like that.

Anything that obvious should have some type of notation unless it was put at a very low end grade on the slab and/or encapsulation service.

coinkat

BB and that is my final answer...

roadrunner

I see no issue with the lines preventing a grade from NGC.

I've seen NGC bust halves in 65 holders with some pretty good wipes in that same area. Maybe not that severe but close to it.

roadrunner

Bryan1315

I beleive it should have been noted on the slab if it was a company that will slab problem coins, and if it was one of the companies that body bag problem coins it should have never made it into the slab. If either of these didn't happen I would definately send it in for review under their guarantee

LindeDad

EF-40

Shamika

This is where net grading is useful. The coin clearly has great collectors value, but the damage should be noted.

1921obsession

I dunno. Does an accidental abrasion, which is obviously what that is, preclude slabbing?

coinguy1

If the images are accurate I think the coin deserves a no-grade. Forget about the highlighted hairlined/cleaned area for a moment - the rest of the coin looks off/very unnatural to me, as well.

NumisOxide

It depends on the TPG company. If they supposedly only slab problem-free coins then yes it should of been BB.

If they slab problem coins and this coin does meet that criteria, the problem( cleaning) should of been noted on the label insert. That area is pretty harshly cleaned.

ColonialCoinUnion

<< <i>Does an accidental abrasion, which is obviously what that is, preclude slabbing? >>



I can't imagine how this could possible be described as an 'accidental abrasion', but that doesn't matter. They grade coins, not intentions, and this coin has been cleaned in a nasty way and deserves a BB IMO.

anablep

I'm torn.

Beautiful coin.

Terrible hairlines.

Should net grade at ANACS, but looks like it slabbed at PCGS.


Inconsistent standards are a blight on this great hobby and this example could be exploited by those who take advantage of such situations (not you JRocco).

au58

Applying the old adage "Buy the coin and not the holder", what difference does it make if it is in a slab? It's just a holder, right??

bhartman35

PCGS: BB
ANACS: Slabbed, with "Cleaned" designation

I've seen coins with cleaning a lot less subtle than that get BB'd.

stman

Looks like it might be "pcgs worthy." if so who are you to challenge this? You're supposed to sit down, shut up, and be grateful it's in your collection.

Jcarney

<< <i>Odd that it only appears on one part of the coin. >>



I can just see an unknowledgeable person scrubbing the "dirt" from that area with a Brillo pad.

lkenefic

I'd see this in an ANACS holder and net graded.

JRocco

Here are some pics of the entire coin. It slabbed as XF40 with no details
1 shows the coin at a better (less lines) angle.

bhartman35

I could see how it could get into a PCGS slab if it was only looked at in the most favorable lighting, but don't the graders move the light around at all?

stman

For the record (if there is one) I have no problem with them slabbing coins with a light cleaning. This looks much more than a light cleaning.
Many of us know the two major services slab these, sometimes quietly netting the grade down. But I don't think this is good for the industry quietly netting a coins grade down for problems. New collectors or less informed collectors count on these services to not slab problem coins. They think if it's slabbed by the big2 it hasn't been cleaned etc. Yes, everybody should know what they're doing, but the truth is they don't and count on what they've read and heard.

Also, not saying this coin was netted down, but how can one learn the standards of the grading in the market when they quietly net coins down for issues?

AU58WALKERS

my answears: NO
YES
YES

Those are not light hairlines.
The coin looks grossly abused.....damn-it

mozin

I don't think PCGS graded this coin, looks like SEGS forgot to mention the damage on this coin. The coin should be bagged for a straight grade. It is not a rare variety. Just sell the coin, not worth the trouble to claim grading service guarantee.

TwoSides2aCoin

<< <i>Here are some pics of the entire coin. It slabbed as XF40 with no details
1 shows the coin at a better (less lines) angle.

>>



And here is a perfect example how a lot of less than perfect coins sell on ebay.... BUYERS beware.

Thanks for the post, John. It's a shining example for other purposes, too.
It is protected from further damage no matter who's plastic it's in.

stman

<< <i>I don't think PCGS graded this coin >>



Of course not... (wink)



<< <i>looks like SEGS forgot to mention the damage on this coin >>



Yeah, that's the ticket. (another wink)

1921obsession

<< <i>I am not including the name of the TPG company here.
I do not think it is necessary to talk about any 1 company vs another here.
Do you think this coin should have been slabbed? Do you think a mention of the cleaning should be included on the label?
Should this coin be sent in for review with a call on the guarantee? The lines are very visible.
Please opine.

>>



There is no residue left anywhere. The "cleaning" lines are coarse, widely spaced. There is no discoloration. There is no apparent contact with the date numerals, or star. Some of the gouges are much deeper than you'd see imparted by a brillo, and too finely spaced for a wire brush. They're too clear, and too few, for any kind of back-and-forth motion. In the specific context of the location and nature of those marks, I just have a difficult time believing they're the deliberate result of removing something that was there. Of course, being neither a respected dealer nor a long-time poster here, I understand my views won't make much of a dent in anyone's opinion.

If we assume I am wrong, and those are deliberate cleaning marks, could someone explain what was removed, and how? I don't mind making a fool of myself - without experimentation there are no results - but I'd rather not make the same mistake twice.

LindeDad

In my opion cleaning of older coins might be interpeted as just another form of wear. Seems that lately we are hearing of more, and more, about cleaned coins that are in holders. Maybe the difference in 40 and 45 is how evident the wear is?

stman

Well, you gonna tell us what slab this is in? Don't be afraid.

JRocco

Your a bad bad man stman.....

Dog97

I don't see cleaning as the cause of the hairlines by the date, but it does look like damage & bb material to me.

prooflike

looks more like damage than cleaning to me. (Still a BB though)