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eurekaeureka Posts: 250
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I just couldn't talk myself into bidding higher on this one. It probably would have gone for more had it been listed in a different category.
A real $5 Norris, Gregg?
Collector of Fractional Gold; gold tokens from Canada, California, Alaska & other states; gold so-called dollars, and other oddball stuff.

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  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    The tone and tenor of the Q&A wasn't too encouraging, was it?
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    FAKE!
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>SORRY, I'M NOT AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW >>



    Of course not. image

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  • eurekaeureka Posts: 250
    Hehe, the Q&A didn't bother me, the coin's surfaces did. I was willing to gamble, but not that much.


    Collector of Fractional Gold; gold tokens from Canada, California, Alaska & other states; gold so-called dollars, and other oddball stuff.
  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    I just did some checking and noticed that the high bidder also won this auction. I think he will be okay.
  • lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720 ✭


    << <i>I just did some checking and noticed that the high bidder also won this auction. I think he will be okay. >>




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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You guys are too quick to jump to conclusions. Prove to us that it's fake and teach us something. Please!
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The words FULL WEIGHT are much smaller on the eBay coin than on Andy's picture. (Of course, maybe the eBay coin isn't full weight!)

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,618 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>imageimageimageimage >>



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    ``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The words FULL WEIGHT are much smaller on the eBay coin than on Andy's picture.


    At first I thought that was a good point. Then, I noticed that the Ebay image appears to be distorted, the width greater than the height. This could cause the apparent shortness in the letters of "FULL WEIGHT".

    Any more observations?
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Spacing of SAN FRANCISCO is off. FRAN is spread out and CISCO is scrunched together.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • ToneloverTonelover Posts: 1,554 ✭
    Any more observations?

    Crappy rims, crudely engraved "half eagle", mushy lettering elsewhere and generally poor detail which would not be accounted for by wear. Maybe missing a leaf. Oh yeah, then there's the fact that it's raw and on ebay. image Looks like a poor cast copy.


  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,419 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a poor cast copy.

    Ex: Jewelry and sweated pieces often have that look. We need more than just "the look" to condemn this one.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • LeianaLeiana Posts: 4,349 ✭
    All the devices look to be in the proper place. image

    It looks very abused. Why would someone making a counterfeit to deceive a collector make such a low grade piece?

    It looks like it was in a bezel. And polished.

    -Amanda
    image

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,618 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm dumb... but , it looks like a die was made from a worn coin, then transferred in a press to a worn gold planchet. But that's layman's terms. I noticed the arrows in the clutches of the talons have very rounded tips. This just looks like a transfer die counterfeit to me.

    ``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5

  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    oohhh !!! Its a double die !!! LOL
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Metal beyond the rim.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    Look at the line from the top of the eagles head, down the neck to the wing. There is only a very slight indentation on the genuine coin. The ebay coin seems to have much more of an indentation. The radius of the curve between the indentation and the intersection of the wing also looks different in the two.
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  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭


    << <i>I just did some checking and noticed that the high bidder also won this auction. I think he will be okay. >>



    now thats funnyimage
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  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭



    << <i>You guys are too quick to jump to conclusions. Prove to us that it's fake and teach us something. Please! >>



    Well, besides looking like an absolute cartoon of a "coin", the purity and weight is wrong. The seller claims that the coin is "24K and weighs 7.38 grams". Read the motto: FULL WEIGHT OF HALF EAGLE, which was 8.359 grams at that time.
  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The rims just stand out as being all wrong...far beyond what I would expect from an ex-jewlery piece. I don't know...I'm usually not one to take a chance on coins like this...but then again...I don't get may rips either...image
    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Q: Hello I live near Santa Monica can i look at the coin? im a collector.
    Oct-24-06
    A: SORRY, I'M NOT AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW...THE PHOTOS ARE A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF THE COIN THOUGH. THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST

    Al
  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,110 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Q: Hello I live near Santa Monica can i look at the coin? im a collector.
    Oct-24-06
    A: SORRY, I'M NOT AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW...THE PHOTOS ARE A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF THE COIN THOUGH. THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST

    Al >>



    Translation: The coin is fake, I know it's fake, and if you see it in person, you will know it's fake. Besides there are plenty of suckers on ebay that will bid without having to see it in person.

    JJ
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  • morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    Weren't a lot of "fake" jewelry coins made in CA in the 70's-80's? I've forgotten, but even those I thought were worth a few hundred.

    Actually all the "estate" and "I'm no expert" crud was more problematic. After all; he sells is near worthless glass, that is pretending to be decent quality "second rate" stuff, but that's not even near the league of second tier material, much less Tiffany etal.
    morgannut2
  • eurekaeureka Posts: 250


    << <i>Well, besides looking like an absolute cartoon of a "coin", the purity and weight is wrong. The seller claims that the coin is "24K and weighs 7.38 grams". Read the motto: FULL WEIGHT OF HALF EAGLE, which was 8.359 grams at that time. >>



    Thanks for that info. Most of my books are in storage, and the redbook surely wasn't a help for weight.
    I sent a message to the winner asking him to let me know how it turns out.

    Collector of Fractional Gold; gold tokens from Canada, California, Alaska & other states; gold so-called dollars, and other oddball stuff.
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm with Andy. IT'S REAL !!!!

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  • GeminiGemini Posts: 3,085 ✭
    IT CAME FROM AN ESTATE IN SANTA MONICA, CA AND THE EXPERT ON ALL THE COINS WAS OBVIOUSLY UNAVAILABLE AS HE HAD PASSED AWAY A YEAR OR SO AGO AND IT WAS HIS ESTATE THAT WAS BEING LIQUIDATED...!
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