A 3 Freaking Hitter??

joestalin

This is the Detroit Tigers right?? Beater of the great New York Yankees....representer of the great American League who has
dominated baseball for years now???

What is going on? Before the series started the big question was will the Cards win a game? That stacked Tigers lineup ain't doing
squat. 3 hits only???? They only had 5 in game one.....thats just domination. There are going to be ALOT of people eating crow
in a few days if the Cards continue this.

JS

Axtell

<< <i>Anything can happen in baseball. If the Marlins or Royals or Devil Rays played the Yankees or Tigers in a 5 or 7 games series, they would have a VERY legitimate shot of winning. Football or basketball would be quite different. And the Cards looked like they might not even make the playoffs let alone advance so it once again just goes to show that anything and everything can happen in baseball. >>




You honestly think that the Royals or D'rays could beat the Yanks in a 7 game series?

Estil

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<< <i>Anything can happen in baseball. If the Marlins or Royals or Devil Rays played the Yankees or Tigers in a 5 or 7 games series, they would have a VERY legitimate shot of winning. Football or basketball would be quite different. And the Cards looked like they might not even make the playoffs let alone advance so it once again just goes to show that anything and everything can happen in baseball. >>




You honestly think that the Royals or D'rays could beat the Yanks in a 7 game series? >>



You would've probably asked the same thing about the Tigers. Remember, they were the third worst team of all time just three years ago.

Axtell

<< <i>Yes, I believe that. Last year, the Devil Rays tore up the Yankees in head to head games and they had a horrible record overall. The Royals swept the Tigers before the playoffs started. The bottom line is that it wouldn't be a 1 in a 100 situation or even 1 in 10. It wouldn't SHOCK any knowledgeable baseball fan to see that happen. Though the media would hype it as being the upset of the century, anyone who follows baseball would not be shocked in the least. Unexpected, sure. Unlikely, sure. Shocking, hell no. >>



Upset of the century has already happened - bosox coming from 0-3 down to win 4 straight.

Royals swept the tigers in 3 games because the tigers were already assured a spot in the postseason, and were no longer pressing. And comparing regular season to the postseason really isn't a valid comparison, either.

Axtell

<< <i>If you seriously believe that it would be THAT suprising to see the Yankees lose to the worst teams in the league in any given series, you just don't know the game. As for the Tigers not pressing, what are you talking about? They were still fighting for the division. If anything, I think the postseason would help inferior teams because they can concetrate on their best pitchers with the one extra travel day of rest that you would get. >>



Again, you can't compare postseason baseball with regular season. The regular season is a 162 game grind. The postseason is a focused affair.

Axtell

<< <i>What are you talking about? Have you not witnessed enough "upsets" in baseball playoff history to realize what a regular event it is. And that it is not even remotely suprising to see ANY team beat another in any given series? >>



When did I say it never happens?

But to say it's the norm for the underdog to win is gullible at best. There's a reason these teams are called 'favorites'.

Axtell

<< <i>Who in hell said it was the "norm"? I said it happens "regularly". Do you just argue for the sake of arguing or are you seriously just that stupid or retarded? Because if it's the latter, I can sympathize and back off. But you seriously have some relationship issues. >>



Regularly, norm, whatever...it doesn't happen all that often. That's why it's such big news when it *does* happen.

Look, if the devil rays or royals play the yankees 100 times, the yanks are going to win 90 of them...the disparity in talent is indeed that great. Yes, 3, 4 or more of those wins could happen in a row, but the law of averages is so stacked against these underdog teams, it's not even funny.

And who's arguing for the sake of arguing? Are you somehow trying to justify your team's ridiculous payroll and say 'look, it doesn't equal a world series win'?

Estil

Well, I guess this means my Tigers in five prediction was wrong. At least the "in five" part. Still, perhaps I can get half credit.

And I thought the NCAA Tournament was upset prone...

viking7

Anyone can beat anyone in baseball, it doesn't matter if it's for one game or a 7 game series. I watched
almost every Tiger game that was televised this year and we had our ups and downs for sure. We swept the Cardinals and Astros back to back but struggled against the Yankees, then came up with 3 straight wins agains the Yankees in the playoffs. I watched us lose several games to the Orioles, Devil Rays, Rangers, Royals (as mentioned already),Pirates and other teams I thought we should have done better against. Overall it was a great season for the Tigers and a huge improvement over previous years. Winning 7 postseason games in a row was awesome and while I thought we would start off better against the Cardinals, it doesn't surprise me the way things have gone so far. That is baseball, it keeps things interesting. Congrats to the Cardinals, they played an excellent game last night. Great pitching. Looking forward to the next game.

thegemmintman

They were flat in game 1 after the long lay off. They looked a little better in game 2, and they just faced the Card's ace who is unbeatable at home. I think they've seen the worst, but let's face it they're up against it right now. No more excuses.

Connecticoin

<< <i>Well, I guess this means my Tigers in five prediction was wrong. At least the "in five" part. Still, perhaps I can get half credit.

And I thought the NCAA Tournament was upset prone... >>



No, you are still in the running for the "in five" part.

stown

Hypothetically, if STL wins the World Series, it would be far from an upset. They have made it to the WS 2 of the last 3 years and the NLCS 4 in the last 5. They have, by far, the most experience in the playoffs.

Their roster was banged up all year, especially their pitching. And don't forget Pujols was on the DL and is still hampered by a sore hammy.

Just because they aren't mentioned much in the media, it doesn't make them underdogs.

WinPitcher

Look, if the devil rays or royals play the yankees 100 times, the yanks are going to win 90 of them...



Finally.

However I doubt that they would win 90 of them. I'd say the number is closer to 60-65 of them.


As for payroll the players and the owners have again contracted for 5 more years. I do not think a cap is an issue. Baseball, because it plays 162 games does not need a cap. is it merely a coincidence that in the past 7 years baseball will have 7 different champions? perhaps if the M's win one (they did have a chance back in 01) but CHOKED your tune would be different?

Baseball owners are among the richest men in the world. Some wish to put more money into product then others. Stop the crying about payroll. Smarter minds then some of us here control the game and it has been doing just fine without a cap.

It is called free market economy.


Steve

yawie99

I agree that anything can happen in the postseason of really any sport, but Carpenter spinning a 3-hit shutout - with a bit of help from the bullpen - at Busch Stadium shouldn't be all that surprising to those who have followed him the last two or three years.

Axtell

<< <i>
However I doubt that they would win 90 of them. I'd say the number is closer to 60-65 of them.
>>



That's barely about 50/50...and with the incredible disparity in personnel, there's no way it's that low.



<< <i>As for payroll the players and the owners have again contracted for 5 more years. I do not think a cap is an issue. Baseball, because it plays 162 games does not need a cap. is it merely a coincidence that in the past 7 years baseball will have 7 different champions? perhaps if the M's win one (they did have a chance back in 01) but CHOKED your tune would be different? >>



No, it wouldn't (and perhaps you'd like to make a post without flaming, hmm dipchit?) Baseball needs a CAP to survive. End of story.



<< <i>Baseball owners are among the richest men in the world. Some wish to put more money into product then others. Stop the crying about payroll. Smarter minds then some of us here control the game and it has been doing just fine without a cap. >>



No, baseball hasn't been doing 'just fine'. The owners of the small market teams with no hopes of competing have no reason to put money into product. It's a losing proposition. The devil rays could spend $30 million like they do, win 60 games, or spend $80 million, and win 80. Which is more responsible?

All the owners make out under the current system (those with tons of cash essentially buy off the small market teams with the luxury cap money), the players make out, and the only losers are the fans. That's why fans have been heading in droves AWAY from baseball. Drink the koolaid all you want, but baseball is slowly dying.



<< <i>It is called free market economy. >>



No it's not. But then, I wouldn't expect anything less from a ny fan with a skewed perspective on baseball.

WinPitcher

LOL

When i went to school 60-65% was not barely 50-50.

I see you resort to name calling when you are threatened. dipchit?

better to be a 'dipchit' then a racist, liar, rat, hypocrit, pretend grammar school teacher and a stupid dope. (did I forget anything)?

The biggest 'CHOKE' imo, is the 01 M's, contrary to what you have said regarding the 04 Yanks. You then have the audacity to claim I am flaming? Practice what you preach for once and maybe, just maybe all the enemies that you have here will back off. Until that time you can be sure that I will bust your every nut.

Steve


edited to add the word 'pretend' to grammar school teacher


as for my statement regarding free market economy. I was reffering to the players and free agency. That is the free market. baseball in and of itself is outside of a free market as it is a monopoly protected by congress.

that prolly flew over your head axtey as most everything you disagree with seems to do.

Steve

joestalin

I find it funny that people are now calling this series boring. Is it for a lack of offense? Both teams are batting under .200. People
today just don't understand defense. It just isn't sexy, they would rather see Arod and the boys lose 13-12 rather than a 3 hitter.

I like pitching..its a refreshing change to all the roid players of today. Im thinking that if Pujols and Ordonez are both batting
under 2 bucks, then its great pitching instead of flat hitting. Isn't that how both of these teams got here in the first place?

JS