Houston Texans and Mario Williams
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Congrats to Reggie for getting his 1st NFL touchdown last week on special teams
<< <i>Oh well... What are you going to do? Whine and complain about it all day or accept that hindsight is 20/20 and move on? >>
No one's whining or complaining...but for you to sit there and continue to deny that williams was a bad choice is poor form.
There's no 'hindsight' needed to see Bush was the obvious #1 pick. Only the texans and their perpetual bad decisions think that mario was a better pick.
<< <i>Congrats to Reggie for getting his 1st NFL touchdown last week on special teams
Congrats to mario for getting his first nfl sack against a pathetically immobile QB who was sacked 20 other times in 4 weeks.
Bitter, much?
Looks like the overwhelming pick here is Bush in the poll.
he was the best player, but because Bush was being a jerk as far as contract talks. Houston wanted no part of that. Could they
have done better than Mario...yes.
Want to talk steals..Maurice Drew taken 60th overall, with more TD's than Bush and Young combined! Jennings taken 52nd, easiest
the best WR so far in the draft and don't forget Marony and the 20 teams that passed him up. I also think Leon Washington will
be a good pickup at the 117 spot.
JS
There are always steals to be had - Tom Brady being drafted in the 6th round, for example.
The guy runs around like crazy only because he can't complete a pass to his receivers. He either overthrows or throws at the ground. He only completes about 50% of his passes and he has about the same amount of fumbles or interceptions as he does touchdowns. According to the Atlanta media, he is still "learning" the offense.
That is just an example of what's going to happen with Reggie, Vince and Mario. I agree with the guy who mentioned Maroney. He kicked butt in Minnesota, but didn't get the exposure because the Gophers sucked. Jennings in Green Bay is Favre's favorite target and doing awesome. If I had to pick, I would have gone with Mario Williams too. Defense wins championships! Not much playing time yet, but Jerious Norwood in Atlanta lights up the defense each time he touches the ball. He'll be a star!
<< <i>Reggie, Vince and Mario..........bad investments! Too much money for a single player. Overhyped in my opinion. The media picks a few guys and they get paid millions of dollars and aren't that much better than the average player. Michael Vick is a great example. Most people never even heard of him a year before he entered the NFL draft. He was hyped as the best QB in NFL history before he even played. I don't know how many times I heard the statement...."all he does is win." Well, if that's all he does, how come the Falcons finished 8-8 and out of the playoffs last season?
The guy runs around like crazy only because he can't complete a pass to his receivers. He either overthrows or throws at the ground. He only completes about 50% of his passes and he has about the same amount of fumbles or interceptions as he does touchdowns. According to the Atlanta media, he is still "learning" the offense.
That is just an example of what's going to happen with Reggie, Vince and Mario. I agree with the guy who mentioned Maroney. He kicked butt in Minnesota, but didn't get the exposure because the Gophers sucked. Jennings in Green Bay is Favre's favorite target and doing awesome. If I had to pick, I would have gone with Mario Williams too. Defense wins championships! Not much playing time yet, but Jerious Norwood in Atlanta lights up the defense each time he touches the ball. He'll be a star! >>
I think the NFL large salaries given to rookies in the minds of the owners is sort of like a "payoff" for not having the huge expense of a "farm system" and minor leagues. If the owners didn't want to pay these large salaries, then it wouldn't be done - no matter what is the union contract.
The NFL pays the large rookie salaries and it helps keep NCAA college football "salary free" - everybody basically wins except the student athletes who were naive in thinking that they would become professional athletes and don't make it, and didn't take advantage of the opportunity to gain a college education and don't graduate, thereby basically wasting years of their life as far as preparing for a future career is concerned.
So technically were these "bad investments"? - Yes from an individual NFL team standpoint but not as far as an overall NFL standpoint which in the end game is really what the league is all about - it's about businesses working together, and despite the perception, it's still good business for the NFL to payout these high rookie salaries.
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Oh, 18-2 now in favor of Bush over mario.
Oh... forgot... they're 0-5
Way to go Matt Millen
And how silly did the texans look in not drafting Bush than when Davis went down? Bush is an ideal situation now, with Deuce shouldering a lot of the load, as Bush gets acclimated to the grind of an NFL season. I saw first hand how Caddy was unable to sustain it over an entire season - it's a whole new ballgame fatigue-wise from college to the pros. Letting Bush split carries with Deuce is ideal.
20-2, now, in favor of Bush of williams.
So if they were smart, and they truly did not want BUsh, then they should have traded their #1 pick. Then they would have had Williams plus a handfull of other picks to improve their team.
completely agree .... I think that was the only move they should have considered.
I think Carr will be a good QB (pretty good now) but he needs an awful lot of protection. I don't think Mario would have lasted more than 10 picks, but I also thought Drew was too small. I liked Maroney however, and the Pats getting him was a bargain.
Leinart was the steal of the draft.
1) We tried to trade the #1 pick but no one wanted it. The Jets tried to trade with NO but it was a flip-flop of 1s and their #3 or 4 (I don't remeber). Not much of a trade offer if you ask me.
2) The Texans have sold out EVERY SINGLE GAME. You can say what you want about attendance and putting fannies in the seats, but every single ticket has been sold. While there may be some no-shows, that empty seat has been purchased.
3) Keep talking about Bowie over Jordan but you neglect to mention another player drafted ahead of him. Akeem Olajuwon
4) DD was not ruled out for the season before Draft Day. He was expected to come back and not miss any time what-so-ever. We also had Pro-Bowler Mathis returning kickoffs, who ended up getting injured as well (due to his own stupidity).
Now onto the Mario v Bush debate (for probably the 5th time here). First off, it's waaaaaaay too early to judge anyone from this year's draft. Talk all the smack you want about Mario being a bust, but it goes both ways. Reggie is averaging only 3 yards on the ground and 7 in the air with only 1 td in 5 games (which came on special teams). I hate to break the news but those numbers are not anything special. His longest carry has been 18 yards, which doesn't say much about his break-away speed. In the last 2 games, he carried the ball 20 times for a whopping 46 yards.
And what does hype actually accomplish? Had Bush played for a smaller school, do you think the hype would have been nearly as much? I seriously doubt it.... Hype doesn't win ball games, all it does is focus attention on one player and the last time I looked, football was a team sport. Selling jerseys? Uh, okay. McNair is the 242nd richest man in America and the Texans rank 3rd on the Forbes list. Does getting publicity make any difference in the win column? Nope and to be honest, I like playing the role of underdog better
The draft was Coach Kubiak's call. Reggie or Mairo? Kubes went with Mario and I think he knows a thing or two about running backs. If anyone here has previous NFL experience either playing or coaching, your opinions carry significant weight. Otherwise, it means absoultely nothing other than just talking sports.
I wish nothing but the best for Bush and hope he thrives in NO. The region was devistated; they deserve hope and something special.
However.
If Mario turns out to be what Kubes is anticipating, a lot of you will be eating crow in the coming years
We can go back and forth on this till the cows come home. Tinkerbell can spend hours disecting this post and attempt to rebut every single word. Frankly, I don't care and probably won't participate in it. "Your team is stupid", "once in a generation player", etc means squat in my book. Ignore the hype and discuss what they have done on the field. At the end of the year, you can evaluate how the rookies performed and later down the road, how their careers shaped up. Untill then, it's just pure speculation.
I'm sure Ki-Jana Carter, Curtis Enis, Lawrence Phillips, Tyrone Wheatley, Rashaan Salaam, Blair Thomas, etc would have something to say about that
<< <i>Let me first clear up some misconceptions.
1) We tried to trade the #1 pick but no one wanted it. The Jets tried to trade with NO but it was a flip-flop of 1s and their #3 or 4 (I don't remeber). Not much of a trade offer if you ask me.
2) The Texans have sold out EVERY SINGLE GAME. You can say what you want about attendance and putting fannies in the seats, but every single ticket has been sold. While there may be some no-shows, that empty seat has been purchased.
3) Keep talking about Bowie over Jordan but you neglect to mention another player drafted ahead of him. Akeem Olajuwon
4) DD was not ruled out for the season before Draft Day. He was expected to come back and not miss any time what-so-ever. We also had Pro-Bowler Mathis returning kickoffs, who ended up getting injured as well (due to his own stupidity).
Now onto the Mario v Bush debate (for probably the 5th time here). First off, it's waaaaaaay too early to judge anyone from this year's draft. Talk all the smack you want about Mario being a bust, but it goes both ways. Reggie is averaging only 3 yards on the ground and 7 in the air with only 1 td in 5 games (which came on special teams). I hate to break the news but those numbers are not anything special. His longest carry has been 18 yards, which doesn't say much about his break-away speed. In the last 2 games, he carried the ball 20 times for a whopping 46 yards.
And what does hype actually accomplish? Had Bush played for a smaller school, do you think the hype would have been nearly as much? I seriously doubt it.... Hype doesn't win ball games, all it does is focus attention on one player and the last time I looked, football was a team sport. Selling jerseys? Uh, okay. McNair is the 242nd richest man in America and the Texans rank 3rd on the Forbes list. Does getting publicity make any difference in the win column? Nope and to be honest, I like playing the role of underdog better
The draft was Coach Kubiak's call. Reggie or Mairo? Kubes went with Mario and I think he knows a thing or two about running backs. If anyone here has previous NFL experience either playing or coaching, your opinions carry significant weight. Otherwise, it means absoultely nothing other than just talking sports.
I wish nothing but the best for Bush and hope he thrives in NO. The region was devistated; they deserve hope and something special.
However.
If Mario turns out to be what Kubes is anticipating, a lot of you will be eating crow in the coming years
We can go back and forth on this till the cows come home. Tinkerbell can spend hours disecting this post and attempt to rebut every single word. Frankly, I don't care and probably won't participate in it. "Your team is stupid", "once in a generation player", etc means squat in my book. Ignore the hype and discuss what they have done on the field. At the end of the year, you can evaluate how the rookies performed and later down the road, how their careers shaped up. Untill then, it's just pure speculation.
I'm sure Ki-Jana Carter, Curtis Enis, Lawrence Phillips, Tyrone Wheatley, Rashaan Salaam, Blair Thomas, etc would have something to say about that
What the hell is wrong with you?
How dare you list draft flops and not include Mr. Leaf. He is deservice of far more than an 'etc.' listing.
And you call yourself a football fan.
<< <i>What the hell is wrong with you?
How dare you list draft flops and not include Mr. Leaf. He is deservice of far more than an 'etc.' listing.
And you call yourself a football fan.
I limited it only to RBs and can assure you that had I included all busts, Ryan would have been near the top
And I call myself a football fan.
I thought Ryan Leaf was a lock for greatness.
So it's apparent while the owner of the texans may be a great businessman, he absolutely stinks as a team owner. How else can you explain a .281 win percentage over the first four years?
Hahahaha that's delusional thinking.
<< <i>Nobody wanted the #1 pick???
Hahahaha that's delusional thinking. >>
Oh really? Did you hear differently or something? Show me any rumor, other than one made up in your head, that said there was an interest. You are going to looking for a long time because it's not there.
If you want to debate this, that's fine. Just please bring something to the table other than accusing me of being "delusional".
go go go mario!
How telling what a 'fan' he is (or isn't)!!!
<< <i>stownie runs his mouth about the bucs and my camera phone, yet doesn't defend his team?
How telling what a 'fan' he is (or isn't)!!! >>
Sorry for the repost from this morning but obviously Tinkerbell is blind
Let me first clear up some misconceptions.
1) We tried to trade the #1 pick but no one wanted it. The Jets tried to trade with NO but it was a flip-flop of 1s and their #3 or 4 (I don't remeber). Not much of a trade offer if you ask me.
2) The Texans have sold out EVERY SINGLE GAME. You can say what you want about attendance and putting fannies in the seats, but every single ticket has been sold. While there may be some no-shows, that empty seat has been purchased.
3) Keep talking about Bowie over Jordan but you neglect to mention another player drafted ahead of him. Akeem Olajuwon
4) DD was not ruled out for the season before Draft Day. He was expected to come back and not miss any time what-so-ever. We also had Pro-Bowler Mathis returning kickoffs, who ended up getting injured as well (due to his own stupidity).
Now onto the Mario v Bush debate (for probably the 5th time here). First off, it's waaaaaaay too early to judge anyone from this year's draft. Talk all the smack you want about Mario being a bust, but it goes both ways. Reggie is averaging only 3 yards on the ground and 7 in the air with only 1 td in 5 games (which came on special teams). I hate to break the news but those numbers are not anything special. His longest carry has been 18 yards, which doesn't say much about his break-away speed. In the last 2 games, he carried the ball 20 times for a whopping 46 yards.
And what does hype actually accomplish? Had Bush played for a smaller school, do you think the hype would have been nearly as much? I seriously doubt it.... Hype doesn't win ball games, all it does is focus attention on one player and the last time I looked, football was a team sport. Selling jerseys? Uh, okay. McNair is the 242nd richest man in America and the Texans rank 3rd on the Forbes list. Does getting publicity make any difference in the win column? Nope and to be honest, I like playing the role of underdog better
The draft was Coach Kubiak's call. Reggie or Mairo? Kubes went with Mario and I think he knows a thing or two about running backs. If anyone here has previous NFL experience either playing or coaching, your opinions carry significant weight. Otherwise, it means absoultely nothing other than just talking sports.
I wish nothing but the best for Bush and hope he thrives in NO. The region was devistated; they deserve hope and something special.
However.
If Mario turns out to be what Kubes is anticipating, a lot of you will be eating crow in the coming years
We can go back and forth on this till the cows come home. Tinkerbell can spend hours disecting this post and attempt to rebut every single word. Frankly, I don't care and probably won't participate in it. "Your team is stupid", "once in a generation player", etc means squat in my book. Ignore the hype and discuss what they have done on the field. At the end of the year, you can evaluate how the rookies performed and later down the road, how their careers shaped up. Untill then, it's just pure speculation.
I'm sure Ki-Jana Carter, Curtis Enis, Lawrence Phillips, Tyrone Wheatley, Rashaan Salaam, Blair Thomas, etc would have something to say about that
You're a dope...just admit that the texans screwed up and should have drafted Bush...you'll save a lot of face.
As it is, you appear to be absolutely and positively ignorant and have NO idea WTF you're talking about.
<< <i>23-3!
You're a dope...just admit that the texans screwed up and should have drafted Bush...you'll save a lot of face.
As it is, you appear to be absolutely and positively ignorant and have NO idea WTF you're talking about. >>
Congrats on having a better football mind than Coach Kubiak. I strongly suggest that you go apply to become an NFL head coach post haste!
Dope.
It has to do with texan management wanting to be foolish and not actually work to sign a guy. They knew mario would be thrilled to be taken #1 and wouldn't have tough negotiations with him.
Still 23-3! You better run and sign up more alt IDs, your boy is getting his ass handed to him!!!
Let me put this in simple terms so maybe, just maybe, you will understand.
McNair: "We can sign Mario or Reggie, it's your call."
Kubes: "I want Mario."
End of story.
You have yet to admit that your team made a bad call in drafting mario...your continued refusal to do so tells everyone you think mario was a better #1 pick than Reggie Bush.
End of story.
<< <i>And I will post again:
You have yet to admit that your team made a bad call in drafting mario...your continued refusal to do so tells everyone you think mario was a better #1 pick than Reggie Bush.
End of story. >>
Keep putting words in my mouth and spin as much as possible, Tinkerbell
And as I said, since you know better than Coach Kubiak, I strongly suggest you apply for a head coaching position post haste!
Actually, I'll take it one step further.
Since you can see into the future and know how a player is going to perform, you should become a GM! Perhaps you achieved that power through your wizard D&D skillz
I said I didn't know more than the coach, just said its apparent that mario's going to be a world class flop for a world class flop of an organization.
Beat it, troll. The streetlights are on, shouldn't you be in bed?
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Still waiting for any rumors, other than the ones you personally made up. Let me guess, you searched high and low to no avail, huh?
Oh and Tinkerbell:
<< <i>just said its apparent that mario's going to be a world class flop >>
Again, you are saying that you know better than Coach Kubiak, since it was his call to draft Mario
I think Leinart will prove to be the steal of the draft but it's too early to say for sure. Bush should have went #1 but I don't think he will be the best NFL player of that draft. I think it will be one of the quarterbacks.
<< <i>
Again, you are saying that you know better than Coach Kubiak, since it was his call to draft Mario
Well, looking at his coaching record, I wouldn't say he knows too much.
1-4 & your #1 pick has one sack.
<< <i>If Mario turns out to be what Kubes is anticipating, a lot of you will be eating crow in the coming years
And how would y'all like that crow served?
seemed to have worked out so far
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<< <i>he's playing well and bush is a part-time slash type player
seemed to have worked out so far >>
<< <i>How does that crow taste?
Pass the Worcestershire sauce please.
Its way to early to be serving crow!
JS
<< <i>Are the Saints ready to call Bush a bust yet? Lets compare his pre-injury stats shall we?
Its way to early to be serving crow!
JS >>
I totally disagree with that. Running back is the easiest position for a rookie to learn in the NFL and rookie running backs can do well and are expected to do well right away in the pros, although sometimes it takes a year or two for them to fully develop. But Williams is almost sorta just getting started with his prime for a DE. Stalin - you should already know all that.
This case is closed.
More Worcestershire sauce please.