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When you fight authority ... does authority always win?

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  • zef204zef204 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭


    << <i>When you fight authority ... does authority always win? >>

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  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>When you fight authority ... does authority always win? >>




    Yes, because if you win you're now the authority.


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    << <i>When you fight authority ... does authority always win? >>




    Yes, because if you win you're now the authority. >>



    Damn it. I can't sneak nothing by you guys. You're all wicked smaht.

    Arthur
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    It is hard to win those fights, and they are always
    longer and bloodier than you had anticipated or
    hoped. But, yes, they can be won.

    I have found that the trick to winning is to make it
    less attractive for the opponent to continue in the
    fight. Your authority opponent will almost always
    be making a floating risk/reward analysis. With the
    peasants now having unlimited access to sundry media,
    it is probably easier than it has ever been to change
    some elements of the system of things.

    The key is to know when the contradictions have
    become so clear that even the supporters and
    beneficiaries of the authority can no longer publicly
    make a non-laughable defense of the authority's
    complained of conduct. Your goal, as the authority's
    opponent, is to hasten the blatant nature of the
    contradictions, and then reveal (or threaten to reveal)
    the "truth" to the peasants and/or to the authority's
    chosen mediator/court.

    It is a little more complicated than that, but not much more.

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  • << <i>It is hard to win those fights, and they are always
    longer and bloodier than you had anticipated or
    hoped. But, yes, they can be won.

    I have found that the trick to winning is to make it
    less attractive for the opponent to continue in the
    fight. Your authority opponent will almost always
    be making a floating risk/reward analysis. With the
    peasants now having unlimited access to sundry media,
    it is probably easier than it has ever been to change
    some elements of the system of things.

    The key is to know when the contradictions have
    become so clear that even the supporters and
    beneficiaries of the authority can no longer publicly
    make a non-laughable defense of the authority's
    complained of conduct. Your goal, as the authority's
    opponent, is to hasten the blatant nature of the
    contradictions, and then reveal (or threaten to reveal)
    the "truth" to the peasants and/or to the authority's
    chosen mediator/court.

    It is a little more complicated than that, but not much more.

    image >>



    Classic.

    I bet you're a big Noam Chomsky fan ...

    Arthur
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "I bet you're a big Noam Chomsky fan ..."

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    Actually, I am a pro-working-class Republican. Newt
    never contemplated that the Contract With America
    would be subverted and distorted and used to hurt
    working and retired taxpayers in the manner that
    it has been. If you doubt that, ask him; he will tell
    you the same thing, at least in private.

    Chomsky is no longer arguing that the means of
    production MUST be controlled by the "authority/state."
    He certainly is anti-fascist and his identification of
    the "authority" as EBAY/PayPal/Corporate-Hydras
    is sure easy to argue as accurate.

    As a former, long-time, low-level elected official, I can assure the
    population that most politicians have willingly conveyed
    the "authority" onto the corporations that Chomsky is
    now so critical of. It is good that his books have been
    launched into the hands of curious young folks recently,
    though I lament that it took an indecent and evil corruptnik
    to do the launching.



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    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • Storm888,

    I have no doubt that I'll say anything you don't already know.

    There's simply no gain without compromise. The sad truth of the matter is that there is no right side or wrong side. The more people (from whatever side) champion their opinion as gospel the more I ignore them.

    The saddest truth is that there are such great ideas on both sides that will never reach fruition because of partisanship. I would hope that at some point folks will start valuing the inherent rights they've been given and get involved. But what do I know? I'm a drunk 20+ something.

    As the great philosopher Conway Twitty once said "My one and only prair is that someday you care."

    Arthur
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "Yes, but they were all bad."

    That is probably the best known line from "True Lies."

    There really is a wrong/right.

    It is wrong to harm innocent people, whether by public
    or private "authority/enterprise."

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    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.


  • << <i>There really is a wrong/right.

    << <i>

    I'm sure everyone here agrees with you. Unfortunately, who determines it? Therein lies the necessity of compromise. Two opposite sides will never agree on anything and each side will always have an element of right/wrong in there argument. In my opinion, progression will never occur without compromise.

    Arthur

    PS. Everyone knows the best scene in True Lies is the Bill Paxton used car saleman scene. image
  • GDM67GDM67 Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭✭
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    I'm uneducated, my opinion means nothin'!
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    Don't need to look over my shoulder to see what I'm after..."

    Yeah, great. You tell 'em, John.
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    They like to get you there and smille in your face
    They think, theyre so cute when they got you in that condition
    Well I think, its a total disgrace

  • jskirwinjskirwin Posts: 700 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Storm888,

    The sad truth of the matter is that there is no right side or wrong side.... But what do I know? I'm a drunk 20+ something.

    Arthur >>



    Arthur,
    Sober up!
    There's nothing cute about being drunk - especially when that "20+" turns into "30+"

    As for no right/wrong... What have they been teaching you at school these days, besides how to drink?

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