Who has a better shot at the HOF ? McNabb or Cunningham ?

Hyperion

Surely The Ultimate Weapon provided highlight after highlight, but never won anything. (Im having problems getting his career stats)

McNabb is proving, year after year he makes everyone better around him, in a QB friendly offense, sure, but his career stats are impressive so far going into his prime:

7 years in the league: 58.4% pass completion, 21k yards, 145-65 Td/Int, 2.6k rushing yards.
I can't find his playoff record but he's been to 3 conf championships and a superbowl...

Axtell

Here's a great site for football stats (an offshoot of the incredbile baseball-reference.com):

Link

7-5 record in the postseason, 59% pass completion percentage, 18 TDs, 12 INT.

Hyperion

good site ! bookmarked ! thanks !

welp, I know the 7-5 isn't overwhelming, but it's pretty good considering every year you get into the playoffs you're going to get a loss, unless you win it.
so, he averages a win every time they make the playoffs in a year. since they won the division like 3 or 4 times, that means he's getting to the conf final quite a bit.

I guess he's gotta stay healthy and hit the 35k yardage mark or something.

stevek

McNabb after his career is over, has a good chance to be a Hall of Famer. Frankly, it's obviously way too early yet to know. Cunningham? Randall Cunningham has as much chance at the Hall of Fame as Richie Cunningham.

GlynRParson

As an eagle despiser i hate to admit i would vote for both of them. Randall Cunningham was a stud with i believe multiple MVP awards how is that equivalent to Richie Cunningham. Please.


cunningham article

stevek

<< <i>As an eagle despiser i hate to admit i would vote for both of them. Randall Cunningham was a stud with i believe multiple MVP awards how is that equivalent to Richie Cunningham. Please.


cunningham article >>




I didn't look at the article because I am not going to waste my time. Randall Cunningham will never get into the Hall of Fame and it's not even close. The odds of Randall Cunningham getting into the Hall of Fame are the same as Richie Cunningham, the fictional character on Happy Days - ZERO.

And get your facts straight before attempting to discuss former Eagles players with Eagles fans...Cunningham did not win "multiple" MVP awards.

stevek

Okay, I changed my mind and read the article. What a load of revisionist history. Firstly those MVP awards were Bert Bell awards which can be biased towards Philadelphia area athletes because that's where the Maxwell Club is located.

Of course Randall was a very good quarterback, but frankly the famous Buddy Ryan Eagles defense made Cunningham look better than he actually was...and that's all Cunningham was...a very good quarterback...not even an excellent quarterback...and "excellent" shouldn't be good enough to be in the Hall of Fame..."outstanding" should be the criteria. Was Cunningham "outstanding" - definitely not. Case closed.

1420sports

Cunningham is my favorite player to date, so my vote is biased. I think he has the numbers to get in, and he definitely has better numbers than some of the QB's already enshrined.

McNabb is only getting better, so we'll see.

Connecticoin

Cunningham's numbers are better than Aikman's if you count rushing (which you should). Aikman won 3 Super Bowls, which Cunningham did not. I think Cunningham gets in though.

If McNabb continues to perform as well as he has the rest of his career he gets in too.


Here's a good question -- what if both McNabb and Brady had career ending injuries this year? I say Brady gets in, McNabb does not.

stevek

<< <i>Cunningham is my favorite player to date, so my vote is biased. I think he has the numbers to get in, and he definitely has better numbers than some of the QB's already enshrined.

McNabb is only getting better, so we'll see. >>




Well, I always respect your opinion 1420 and almost always completely agree with you, but those comparing Cunningham with Aikman? Did they watch these guys play? I watched practically every game Cunningham played when he was with the Eagles, and yes he of course had flashes of brilliance, but he never really sustained it

I'm telling you...he put up "numbers" because he was often on the field because the Buddy Ryan defense, which in my opinion was one of the greatest defenses in NFL history, kept opposing offenses off the field. The voters must know all this.

Hey if for some reason Cunningham gets in that would be fine with me. I'd be certain he would go in as an Eagle, and the more Eagles in the HOF the better, but realistically I don't think he stands a chance, especially with the poor post season performances.


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stown

<< <i>Because numbers only tell you so much about how good they really are, or aren't. >>





And skin, if you are reading this, please do not go into a longwinded sermon laced with insults about how this opinion is wrong.

Thanks in advance

Axtell

<< <i>Cunningham was no where near as good as Aikman was. People fixate so much on statistics that it makes me go crazy. This is the reason that Axtell always defends ARod but stats don't mean THAT much. Aikman was one of the top QBs during his time but unlike most of his peers, he didn't give squat about numbers. >>



Comparing QB's and baseball players is (and always has been) a flawed strategy. A QB is touching the ball on every single offensive play...a hitter doesn't. A hitter can only affect the score when he is batting, which is 1/9th of the time on average. Stats in baseball DO matter, in football, not so much. A good QB who doesn't turn over the ball and is effective and efficient will be much better than a guy who puts up gaudy numbers and a ton of INTs.

Thanks for taking a swipe at me, though, it's quite an honor.

1420sports

stevek - ditto ...
I could not compare Cunningham to Aikman with a straight face. Cunningham, who was brilliant at times, made mistakes at crucial times that Aikman didn't. I do put some of the blame on the offensive coaching -- big fan of Buddy but not because of his coaching, or lack thereof.

stevek

Oh I hated to see Buddy Ryan go. There is no doubt in my mind he would have eventually won a Super Bowl for the Eagles. Unfortunately, "the guy in France" Norman Braman and Buddy couldn't stand each other and there is no doubt that was THE primary reason Buddy was fired. Buddy did get another opportunity as a coach but just seemed out of step at that point - his heart was in that Eagles team that he built. That defense, deservedly so, gets ranked in the top five NFL defenses of all time by those who know football. Arguably it could have been the best defense of all time.