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Tito Ortiz v. Ken Shamrock

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At least this one was free. I think Shamrock's time has come and gone...Ortiz proved it again tonight.
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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    Shammrock is an old man to that sport. There is NO way he could compete against Ortiz. Kind of silly that Shammrock still thinks he has it in that ring. Not only that, Ortiz is a pounding machine! I dont think it will be long and he will be the light heavyweight champion again.
  • ToppsCo1lectorToppsCo1lector Posts: 2,633
    Ortiz has really turned himself into quite a machine from 2 years ago. Lets face it, the younger guy one. I'm glad Shamrock is done, I don't think he should've come back from the knee injury he had. I think Ortiz will also beat Lidell; then I'd like to see a remath with Vanderlai Silva.
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  • ChrisCChrisC Posts: 435
    A couple good fights last night! I didnt care for Shamrocks BS at the end holding up Tito's hand - Go home, shut up and realize you got beat down again!
  • alpemomoalpemomo Posts: 355 ✭
    I think Ortiz will also beat Lidell; then I'd like to see a remath with Vanderlai Silva

    I love Ortiz and he's been my favorite MMA fighter but I don't think he can beat Lidell. I think to beat Lidell you will need to catch him off-condition or submit him.

    I think Lidell's takedown defense has improved dramatically since he got taken out by Horn and Randy Colture beat him because Lidell did not take him seriously. I'd like to see Ortiz work on take downs and submissions but if he goes toe-to-toe with Lidell, he's going down like last time.

    It's a shame that Matt Hughes and Lidell can't fight - now that would be a fight!

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  • DaBigHurtDaBigHurt Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    Quite frankly, UFC is borderline unwatchable after watching PRIDE Fighting. That being said, Shamrock had no business entering the ring again with Ortiz, especially after their last fight.
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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    TUF newbs..

    tito will not beat chuck liddell.. not anytime soon anyway.. not in december.. tito doesnt need to work on takedowns, its his specialty.. that being said, liddell's takedown defense is too good for tito..

    end result of decembers fight = Chuck Liddell by vicious eyeball removal.

    LOL @ dbh acting like he knows MMA.. that being said, yes, right now some of the top talent is in Japan.. heavyweights in particular.. but i got a feeling DBH has most likely watched only a few PRIDE fights, which were probably heavily edited and aired on FSN..
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  • ChrisCChrisC Posts: 435
    It's a shame that Matt Hughes and Lidell can't fight - now that would be a fight!

    In my opinion Ortiz vs. Hughes would be a better fight


    tito will not beat chuck liddell.. not anytime soon anyway.. not in december.. tito doesnt need to work on takedowns, its his specialty.. that being said, liddell's takedown defense is too good for tito..

    I think Tito knows not to stand up with Chuck and this fight will end up on the ground with Tito on top dropping bows, they both can win but Tito's come along way and IMO the likely winner
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    guys, come on now.. ortiz -vs- hughes, or hughes -vs- liddell will NEVER happen.. different weight classes..

    this thread is very sherdogesque..
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  • DaBigHurtDaBigHurt Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    OH SNAP PAANDREWS LAYING THE SMACKDOWN ON MMA MARKZ ON TEH PSA BOARDS OH NOZ U GO TUFFGUY!!!

    Someone says they prefer Pride over UFC and automatically you think they don't know anything and must only watch for the FSN highlights? Has it occurred to you that I wasn't even referring to the fighters themselves but to the rules of the organizations?

    I'm not a fan of the UFC style ground and pound. I think when brought to extremes, it's very boring. I think when other fighters aren't showing any offense, they should be penalized severely. Simple enough for you?

    Why don't you go back to lurking on Sherdog, suck up some more info there and try passing it off on your own to non-MMA hardcore types, you clown.
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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    DBH, yes you are an MMA newbie..

    im guessing youre talking about Pride handing out yellow cards.. although you didnt specify that in your original post.. but even in Pride, there are moments of inactivity.. the best thing about Pride is that they allow soccer kicks to the head of a downed opponent.. they dont allow elbows like the UFC does.. different countries, different rules.. but ground & pound is not exclusive to UFC.. watch some more Pride fights and you'll realize that.. i dont mean just the better fights that they edit and choose to show on FSN..

    and although UFC is "borderline unwatchable", what you really meant is "yes, i watched every minute of the Ortiz/Shamrock event last night"..
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  • RANDYMOSS84RANDYMOSS84 Posts: 1,980
    isnt tito signed to fight lidell? I thought he was talking head about hes next or some crap... The only guy i dislike in UFC is ed herman, dude got his butt handed to him and I enjoyed every minute of it.
  • ToppsCo1lectorToppsCo1lector Posts: 2,633
    RM-Yeah, they are supposed to fight sometime this winter. I don't know exactly, but I'm sure that someone knows when.

    PA-The only reason I'm giving the win to Ortiz; he's been looking better and better and although Lidell is Lidell he's getting up to that age where a fighter like him comes to retirement. Truth is, "if" they were the same age I'd take Lidell over Ortiz every day of the week. Just like I'd take Shamrock over Ortiz every day of the week. But, the match I want to see is Lidell Vs. Silva. That ought to be very fun to watch, especially as I see it being a standup contest def ending in a knockout.
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  • XanaduNowXanaduNow Posts: 1,718
    Ortiz cannot beat Liddell. Ortiz has looked so good lately because he's been going against Ken Shamrock. Everyone looks at Liddell's striking and forgets that he's not exactly Mae West when he hits the ground ... IF you can shoot in and take him there.

    Look, I like Tito Ortiz. When he fights I root for him. But he can't beat Chuck Liddell.

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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    I am looking forward to Saturday Anderson Silva and Rich franklin
  • DaBigHurtDaBigHurt Posts: 1,066 ✭✭


    << <i>DBH, yes you are an MMA newbie..

    im guessing youre talking about Pride handing out yellow cards.. although you didnt specify that in your original post.. but even in Pride, there are moments of inactivity.. the best thing about Pride is that they allow soccer kicks to the head of a downed opponent.. they dont allow elbows like the UFC does.. different countries, different rules.. but ground & pound is not exclusive to UFC.. watch some more Pride fights and you'll realize that.. i dont mean just the better fights that they edit and choose to show on FSN..

    and although UFC is "borderline unwatchable", what you really meant is "yes, i watched every minute of the Ortiz/Shamrock event last night".. >>



    Why should I have to specify anything in my original post? I said I preferred Pride over UFC. In your zest to show everyone what a MMA expert you think you are, you wound up getting caught in a triangle. image

    And for the record, I didn't even bother watching the Ortiz/Shamrock fight (I knew they'd be fighting but didn't care enough to find out the date/time to TiVo it because the last one was such a mismatch).


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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am looking forward to Saturday Anderson Silva and Rich franklin >>



    franklin better take this fight to the ground..

    are you going to vegas for this one Ted? i'm really hoping your boy Kenny chokes that midget Sherk unconcious.. maybe he can get a better looking girlfriend if he has a title belt..
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  • ToppsCo1lectorToppsCo1lector Posts: 2,633
    lol. You're hilarious.
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  • ChrisCChrisC Posts: 435
    Someone put Dana White in touch with Topps, this is a modern set I would love to collect!
  • ToppsCo1lectorToppsCo1lector Posts: 2,633
    ^^
    Much better than AFL or CFL personally. Even just a couple of sets would be nice, nothing continious.
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  • alpemomoalpemomo Posts: 355 ✭
    tito will not beat chuck liddell.. not anytime soon anyway.. not in december.. tito doesnt need to work on takedowns, its his specialty.. that being said, liddell's takedown defense is too good for tito..

    Takedowns are his specialty??? Tito has one takedown - bearhug and slam, that's not a specialty. If he tries that on lidell he is going to wake up in the hospital
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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Takedowns are his specialty??? Tito has one takedown - bearhug and slam, that's not a specialty. If he tries that on lidell he is going to wake up in the hospital >>



    yes, takedowns are his specialty.. he's a ground & pound fighter.. his base is wrestling, aka takedowns..
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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Someone put Dana White in touch with Topps, this is a modern set I would love to collect! >>



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