The wrath of Steinbrenner strikes quickly
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Torre out and Piniella is in.
Not a huge surprise I guess. Steinbrenner must have been on the phone to Piniella very quickly after the game.
Not a huge surprise I guess. Steinbrenner must have been on the phone to Piniella very quickly after the game.
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A-Rod is the new Winfield (Mr. May)
Jeter is the new Mattingly (Superstar / Great leader trapped in a crappy "win now" system, instead of the sucessful develop / supplement system that was sucessful from 1996-2000)
<< <i>Steinbrenner is running the team like he did in 80s and early 90s. Yankee fans, prepare for a long championship drought!!
A-Rod is the new Winfield (Mr. May)
Jeter is the new Mattingly (Superstar / Great leader trapped in a crappy "win now" system, instead of the sucessful develop / supplement system that was sucessful from 1996-2000) >>
Wow...Never looked at it like that but you are dead on with the analogy.
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Forget blocking him; find out where he lives and go punch him in the nuts. --WalterSobchak 9/12/12
Looking for Al Hrabosky and any OPC Dave Campbells (the ESPN guy)
<< <i>They're saying Cashman might survive this... >>
I hope he doesn't. He's been Steinys bitc boy for quite a few years now; and if anyone should take the fall it's him. He's made some great deals, but he's made to many junk deals to continue imo.
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<< <i>Steinbrenner is running the team like he did in 80s and early 90s. Yankee fans, prepare for a long championship drought!!
A-Rod is the new Winfield (Mr. May)
Jeter is the new Mattingly (Superstar / Great leader trapped in a crappy "win now" system, instead of the sucessful develop / supplement system that was sucessful from 1996-2000) >>
Wow...Never looked at it like that but you are dead on with the analogy. >>
interesting ... what is your take on the poorly run Red Sox? Do you guys EVER have thoughts about that? You know, the disaster signings of Coco Crsip, Josh Beckett, and the poorly handled farm system? ANY thoughts on that? Nahhhhhhhh, all you guys think about are the Yankees.
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Somehow over the past few seasons, the team mentality has become a win now mentality and the wrong pieces were brought in. There was a time during that run from '96-2000 that you just felt that they were going to win it all. didn't matter what the score was, the Yankees were going to win it in the 7th, 8th 9th whatever. Those teams had a heart that involved Tino Martinez and Scott Brosius and Paul O'Neill. They didn't know what losing was. they had relief pitching that you could depend on--you had Rivera and Wetteland, and then Mendoza and Rivera. Now you just have Rivera. You had starters that knew how to win when it counted. Now you have starters that break down and leaving gaping holes in the pitching staff after the fifth inning. The Yankees have to get back to where they were ten years ago, when they played under a manager no one wanted and had players no one expected to rise up. They need to get some more heart.
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Looking for Al Hrabosky and any OPC Dave Campbells (the ESPN guy)
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<< <i>Steinbrenner is running the team like he did in 80s and early 90s. Yankee fans, prepare for a long championship drought!!
A-Rod is the new Winfield (Mr. May)
Jeter is the new Mattingly (Superstar / Great leader trapped in a crappy "win now" system, instead of the sucessful develop / supplement system that was sucessful from 1996-2000) >>
Wow...Never looked at it like that but you are dead on with the analogy. >>
interesting ... what is your take on the poorly run Red Sox? Do you guys EVER have thoughts about that? You know, the disaster signings of Coco Crsip, Josh Beckett, and the poorly handled farm system? ANY thoughts on that? Nahhhhhhhh, all you guys think about are the Yankees. >>
Just curious, what makes you say the Red Sox farm system is "poorly handled"? Wishful thinking, perhaps? They still have produced more young talent (especially pitching) than the Yankee system has in recent years, and you will see the results of this over the next few years (while the Yanks try and sign FA pitching, which doesn't exist).
Give Crisp a fully healthy season before you proclaim him a disaster, and Beckett won 16 games this year despite being inconsistent. I would still rather have Crisp than Damon over the next few seasons, and you can mark my words on that as you watch Damon break down.
By the way, Red Sox fans are indeed talking a lot about the Yankees right now - who wouldn't? Another major collapse in the postseason, another example of mismanaged millions spent, another front page soap opera about to be played out with Torre, and then A-Rod. Hey, you guys are doing this to yourselves, we are just sitting back and watching (and enjoying) the ineptitude!
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interesting ... what is your take on the poorly run Red Sox? Do you guys EVER have thoughts about that? You know, the disaster signings of Coco Crsip, Josh Beckett, and the poorly handled farm system? ANY thoughts on that? Nahhhhhhhh, all you guys think about are the Yankees. >>
The red sox OWN yankees' fans' heads! They can't stop thinking about the red sox!!!
Who else outside ny doesn't see the analogy? I said the same thing last night: it's the 80s all over again. You have a wild, fiery manager in pinella (previously played by billy martin), you have a club full of overpriced and unmoveable veterans, and you have an owner so overwhelmed with desperation and failure he's got his hands in the running of the team. Troubling thing is he has no idea what makes a successful ball club.
Enjoy the winter, fellas, it's gonna be a long one!
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interesting ... what is your take on the poorly run Red Sox? Do you guys EVER have thoughts about that? You know, the disaster signings of Coco Crsip, Josh Beckett, and the poorly handled farm system? ANY thoughts on that? Nahhhhhhhh, all you guys think about are the Yankees. >>
The red sox OWN yankees' fans' heads! They can't stop thinking about the red sox!!!
Who else outside ny doesn't see the analogy? I said the same thing last night: it's the 80s all over again. You have a wild, fiery manager in pinella (previously played by billy martin), you have a club full of overpriced and unmoveable veterans, and you have an owner so overwhelmed with desperation and failure he's got his hands in the running of the team. Troubling thing is he has no idea what makes a successful ball club.
Enjoy the winter, fellas, it's gonna be a long one! >>
So true. Look at all the big contracts the Yanks are going to be stuck with over the next few seasons, and you see the future of their team being not so bright. It looks exactly like the 80's to me, doesn't it? And, we all know how well that turned out...
Anyone think that the yankees will be able to move any body and be able to get much, if anything back? Hell, its known they want to move Arod...it'd be a miracle if they can get more than just a starting pitcher for him at this point.
I love it...karma's a pain, hmm yankee lovers?
<< <i> Just curious, what makes you say the Red Sox farm system is "poorly handled"? Wishful thinking, perhaps? They still have produced more young talent (especially pitching) than the Yankee system has in recent years, and you will see the results of this over the next few years (while the Yanks try and sign FA pitching, which doesn't exist). >>
Thought this was obvious, keep gulping down the Red Sox hyped farm system. The entire nation watched it COLLAPSE in the second half
<< <i>By the way, Red Sox fans are indeed talking a lot about the Yankees right now - who wouldn't? Another major collapse in the postseason, another example of mismanaged millions spent, >>
Mismanaged millions?
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Somehow over the past few seasons, the team mentality has become a win now mentality and the wrong pieces were brought in. There was a time during that run from '96-2000 that you just felt that they were going to win it all. didn't matter what the score was, the Yankees were going to win it in the 7th, 8th 9th whatever. Those teams had a heart that involved Tino Martinez and Scott Brosius and Paul O'Neill. They didn't know what losing was. they had relief pitching that you could depend on--you had Rivera and Wetteland, and then Mendoza and Rivera. Now you just have Rivera. You had starters that knew how to win when it counted. Now you have starters that break down and leaving gaping holes in the pitching staff after the fifth inning. The Yankees have to get back to where they were ten years ago, when they played under a manager no one wanted and had players no one expected to rise up. They need to get some more heart. >>
Well said.
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interesting ... what is your take on the poorly run Red Sox? Do you guys EVER have thoughts about that? You know, the disaster signings of Coco Crsip, Josh Beckett, and the poorly handled farm system? ANY thoughts on that? Nahhhhhhhh, all you guys think about are the Yankees. >>
The red sox OWN yankees' fans' heads! They can't stop thinking about the red sox!!!
Who else outside ny doesn't see the analogy? I said the same thing last night: it's the 80s all over again. You have a wild, fiery manager in pinella (previously played by billy martin), you have a club full of overpriced and unmoveable veterans, and you have an owner so overwhelmed with desperation and failure he's got his hands in the running of the team. Troubling thing is he has no idea what makes a successful ball club.
Enjoy the winter, fellas, it's gonna be a long one! >>
The winters are ALWAYS long in Seattle. Maybe you can get Choke Rod back and he can prosper where there's no pressure. How's the big money moves on Sexson, Beltre, Washburn?
<< <i>Let's end this here and now and let Steinbrenner manage the team. The sad reality of sports is that someone does not win... Joe Torre likely knows more about baseball than most will ever know. Sometimes its not about winning, but how you loose and respond in defeat. It seems that some need lessons on how to react and behave... quite sad.. don't ya think???? >>
Coinkat, that type of thinking by you is sadly lost in our sports society. The true meaning of sport is NOT to have winning a championship as the sole criteria of success or failure, yet in our society it is. You do not have to be the 'last man standing' to be considered a success.
A player who is a better player than 99.9 percent of the world population, tries very hard, and then gets edged out by somebody else who is on par with his ability is refered to as a choker? THat is downright crazy.
There are a couple of things responsible for this. 1) A fundamental lack of understanding on how CHANCE plays such a large role when two virtually even competitors engage in an event. 2) A fundamental lack of vision or understaning on how variables that are out of a players/coach's control determine the outcome of an event, and that blame or praise is ALWAYS heaped upon an individual to a much greater degree than what is actually the truth.
<< <i>BTW, Brian Cashman has done a decent job. >>
What are you smoking over there? I could be wrong, but a GM who is given the kind of money he has to work with should have fielded a more complete team, instead of the mess he currently has. You want to see a GM who has done a decent job? Look at Oakland, Minnesota, even Florida - and what those teams achieve on a sliver of the Yankees payroll.
Cashman has it easy - and he still can't produce a winner.
Joe has been there awhile and over the long haul has done quite well and it is sad that folks do not appreciate it.
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<< <i>Followed Yankee games since when?
Joe has been there awhile and over the long haul has done quite well and it is sad that folks do not appreciate it. >>
A trained seal could do the same job torre has.
Unlimited payroll, all stars at every position...how tough is THAT to manage?
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<< <i>Followed Yankee games since when?
Joe has been there awhile and over the long haul has done quite well and it is sad that folks do not appreciate it. >>
A trained seal could do the same job torre has.
Unlimited payroll, all stars at every position...how tough is THAT to manage? >>
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