Chicle football back variations

djspann

Does anyone know the details of the back variations in the 1935 National Chicle football set? I would appreciate any help.

I've seen 4 different back variations. Three of them are regarding placement of Eddie Casey's signature and credentials as "Coach Boston Redskins, Former Coach Harvard." Kingraider pointed out the 4th variation to me -- it involves the copyright information on the card. Here is a description of the variations:

1. Eddie Casey's signature is centered, with credentials to the right.
2. Eddie Casey's signature is near the right side, with credentials below.
3. Eddie Casey's signature is near the right side, with no credentials printed.
4. Eddie Casey's signature is near the right side, with credentials below, but the copyright information is not on the card.

I've seen variation #1 on all of the cards in the set except for card #21, Cliff Montgomery. I have never seen a high number with a variation other than #1. I've seen variation #2 on many of the cards in the first series. I have seen variation #3 on only 2 cards -- #13 Homer Griffiths, and #21 Cliff Montgomery. In fact, I have seen only this variation on the Cliff Montgomery card. I have seen multiple variations on the Homer Griffiths though. I have seen variation #4 only on card #s 15,16, 23, 24.

So, does anyone know the relative scarcity of each of these back variations? Also, does anyone know which back variations are available on each card? Are there other back variations?


Doug

shouldabeena10

Hey Doug,

You forgot those rare "green ink" back versions, with the usual erasure spot at the bottom.

Mike

djspann

Hmmm, yes....It seems that there are many people that are pretty savvy at creating that erasure mark. I guess I never realized that there was anything erased on those -- nearly all of the reprints I've seen have been in scans, and I never noticed the erasure -- is it in the center of the back on the bottom?

Watch out for the "green ink" backs...and the ones where someone typed "reprint" on the front.

So, do the green backs come in the different variations too?


Doug

shouldabeena10

<< <i>I never noticed the erasure -- is it in the center of the back on the bottom? >>



Hey Doug,

I believe there are a couple of different reprint sets floating around out there, but don't quote me on that. The set I have is the green back version. It has "Reprint 1985" in VERY SMALL type on the card backs (maybe 5/16" long). It's located at the bottom center, directly below the Chicle copyright info. It starts below the "C" or the "o" in the word Co., and it ends under the "m" or the "b" in the word Cambridge.

Most of the fakes I've seen on eBay, will either erase it ... or more often, they'll erase it and then add stains to try and help hide the erasure mark and the fact that the card stock is a little whiter than the original Chicle's. The back ink color of course is green, so they'll usually darken the scans to make it look blue. A far away fuzzy scan of the back makes it hard to tell sometimes, or there's my personal favorite ... no back scan at all, with the added note, "I'm out of town for the next 5 days so I might not be able to answer any e-mail questions."

The backs of the reprint cards were reduced just a bit (to allow room for the Reprint line of type?). The cards are also a hair over-sized, so the back borders (mainly bottom and sides) look a little bigger on a bogus card. All of the measurement differences are very slight, so it can be hard to tell sometimes unless you're holding it up against an original card.




<< <i>Does anyone know the details of the back variations in the 1935 National Chicle football set? >>




I'll check all of the different back variations I have (real and reprints) against your list, and let you know what I come up with.


Mike

djspann

Cool, thanks a lot, Mike.


Doug

shouldabeena10

<< <i>Does anyone know the details of the back variations in the 1935 National Chicle football set?

1. Eddie Casey's signature is centered, with credentials to the right.
2. Eddie Casey's signature is near the right side, with credentials below.
3. Eddie Casey's signature is near the right side, with no credentials printed.
4. Eddie Casey's signature is near the right side, with credentials below, but the copyright information is not on the card. >>



On the reprint set I found:

Version #4 (no copyright) on cards: #15, 16, 19, 24

Version #3 on none of the cards

Version #2 on cards: #2 through 7, 9 through 14, 17, 18, 21, 22

Version #1 on cards: #1, 8, 20, 23, 25 through 36


On my real Chicle's I found:

Version #4 on cards: #23, 20

Version #3 on cards: #13

Version #2 on cards: #2, 4, 7, 9, 10, 12, 14, 17, 21, 22

Version #1 on cards: #6, 8, 15, 18, 19

That's all of the real ones I have, but I bet the top couple of guys on the set registry would be able to help you fill in some more of the blanks.

Good Luck!

Mike

GlynRParson

Vic Stanley at www.psafootball.com could help you out with some info if you ask him he is very knowledgable on football issues

djspann

Thanks for the info -- it's interesting that the reprints also have different back variations. I haven't checked with Vic Stanley or others yet.


Doug