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THIS THREAD IS DONE......SELLER IS NOW BANNED

Should I not pay for these? I guess I am now obligated since i bid and won...you sure these are not legit?

5 pack auction

10 pack auction
Buying Vintage Boxing...especially T218 and T220..email if you have cards you would like to sell.

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  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭
    Does seem cheap to me. Good for you! Let us know what you pull from them!
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Zach

    Good luck.

    If you have the time, a few scans would be nice.

    mike
    Mike
  • When I get the packs...ill scan them all!!....I have a complete set of this year...but i think i might send a bunch for grading and upgrade...sent out my MO tonight...so hopefully next week i can rip and scan!!
    Buying Vintage Boxing...especially T218 and T220..email if you have cards you would like to sell.
  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Zach:

    You may want to read this thread - probably explains why they were so cheap. Sorry to be a wet blanket...

    Thread from a couple days ago
    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • Missed that...How does a guy have 100% positive feedback and be a resealer...should i not pay him...or (in this case it is a her) You guys are positive these are resealed packs??
    Buying Vintage Boxing...especially T218 and T220..email if you have cards you would like to sell.
  • the question is more like..WILL you get them at all....

    They came on the scene with alot of nice high end stuff...after just 140+ feedbacks....NOW....poof...they have nothing to sell???

    The whole thing seems funny...but we may all be wrong....gut felling says....we're not though..
  • Zach, I'd say MO on this is a no-no. Pay with your credit card and if you have any problems you've got a fighting chance. image

    Good luck!

    Arthur
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Resealed for sure. There's a good reason they went for cheap. Save your money!


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    This notice from T&S was sent two years ago.
    I am 95% sure that this is part of the same gang of
    serial fraudsters.

    They build FB and then strike hard and fast.
    They have done it several times. All of the
    listings have similar characteristics. The
    PA addy is not the smoking gun; the terms
    and language are.

    There have been women involved/used in
    all of the similar scams. There was some speculation
    that there was either a mother or grandmother
    who was being used for cover by one or more
    teenagers. (My memory on those details is a
    bit unclear.)

    All of the relevant threads are archived here.
    Just use the ID as your search term.

    EBAY does not agree that the current seller is
    connected to the previous one(s).

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    Oct 2004


    The following is a courtesy notice from eBay Trust & Safety regarding:

    User ID - Paoutdoorsman2004

    Our records show that you were a bidder or buyer of one or more of this seller's
    items. We recently removed all of this seller's active listings and have
    suspended the seller's trading privileges. Due to privacy concerns we will not
    be able to share further details related to this seller.

    If someone claiming to be the seller asks you to complete a transaction outside
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    indicative of fraud.

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  • << <i>It is rare that something goes wrong with a transaction on eBay... >>



    He he. Yeah, right.

    Arthur
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    Now he's got a 1975 TOPPS MINI Box on 5-day auction.


    280035108655

    His language is now cleaned up a little. Maybe he went
    to school on the last thread.


    imageimageimage
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭
    Why are private auctions allowed? Makes no sense to me.
  • SO....if i dont pay He leaves me negative feedback and EBAY is going to back him up? I dont see a good solution to this problem.....
    Buying Vintage Boxing...especially T218 and T220..email if you have cards you would like to sell.
  • earlycalguyearlycalguy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭
    I would take the negative feedback over wasting $300. if you are going to send money then hold off paying and see if he gets any positive feedback from other recent unopened product sales.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    He probably will not NEG you, if you send him an
    "I am sorry I cannot afford to pay" email.

    If he is scamming, the last thing he wants as the
    holiday season approaches is to trade NEGS.

    If you seperate the 5 pack on the invoice, it is
    within his $100.00 PayPal limit.

    At this point I am not worried too much
    about him not sending the cards. BUT, I feel
    that I "know for sure" that the packs have
    been "disturbed."

    There are wrappers and boxes in this guy's
    history, and he just knows too much about
    searched packs. Even his screwball disclaimer
    is a huge red-flag.

    I would bail on this one.

    storm



    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    What I wanna know is:

    Why is this guy allowed to put a limit on the
    amount of PayPal he will accept, when they
    said they would close my accounts if I tried
    it?

    His limits violate both EBAY's policy and PayPal's
    rules.

    storm
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    if he negs you and then gets booted from ebay doesn't the neg get removed?

    Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's

  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "if he negs you and then gets booted from ebay doesn't the neg get removed? "

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    Nope.

    That only applies to scum that gets kicked out within the first
    90-days of their having joined "the community."



    griffins:

    Do you recall any details about the connection between the
    nomar and PA scandals?


    storm
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    The "good" solution is that you possibly eat a couple of negs to avoid losing a few hundred dollars here. This really isn't a tough decision- the packs are most likely resealed. Don't pay, and explain why.

    He most likely won't leave you a neg because he would fear the retalitory neg that messes up his scam. You could even go as far to explain that someone tipped you off that his stuff is resealed, so if he leaves you a neg, you will do the same for him mentioning that his packs are reseals. No way he leaves a neg for you then, but holding FB hostage is kind of a scummy thing to do. But still, I wouldn't hesitate to do it with this type of guy.

    Lee
  • SO....if i dont pay He leaves me negative feedback and EBAY is going to back him up? I dont see a good solution to this problem.....

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  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    For 300 buxks , take the negative and post your replies to why you did not pay. the negative is not worth the money you WILL lose by paying for this crap!
  • jimq112jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭
    Pay for them together with your credit card on paypal. If he refuses it then file against him with ebay as a non-performing seller, if he does ship them and they look "resealed" then file for a chargeback with paypal and your credit card company.

    He can't file a strike on you if you pay and he refunds it. You're following ebay and paypal rules. I sent ebay a complaint about his auctions not following ebay rules (with 3 or 4 days left IIRC) and they ignored it.
    image
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    Anybody who has bought from this guy
    should flood EBAY with complaints, NOW.

    The venue has known about this guy for
    a very long time. They refused to listen
    to a lot of experts, until AFTER a bunch
    of buyers got ripped off.

    PayPal and Credit Card complaints should be
    filed immediately. The EBAY relief fund (about
    $225.00 per transaction) may kick in IF enough
    buyers complain NOW.

    The ONLY way to stop this stuff is to show EBAY
    that it is not profitable for them to allow it.

    NARUing criminals after they have shafted people
    is not the correct action. EBAY could have saved
    a lot of buyers, but chose not to do so.

    storm
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • they finally got kicked out of ebay, but nobody gave them a negative?
    Looking for in PSA graded
    1. 75-76 Topps Keith/Jamaal Wilkes in Psa 8+
    2. 1971-72 Trio stickers PSA 8+
    3. BSKB 1977-78 topps psa 10

    Basketball Autos
    1992 Courtside Flashback
    Action Packed HOF Autos(need elvin hayes,both bill bradley,and the 1st bill walton)
    2001 and 2005 Greats of the Game
    UD=retro,epic,legends,legendary,generations and chronology
    2006 Topps Style 1952 Fan Favorites Autos #/10 (Refractor Autos)
    Press Pass Legends
  • isellhomeszach or anyone else .............

    can you update the board ????
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "can you update the board ????

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    Pretty simple.

    1. EBAY has been aware of this team for a
    very long time.

    2. EBAY refused to take action against the
    team for a very long time.

    3. Lots of peeps got ripped off.

    4. After most of the horses had escaped from
    the barn, EBAY decided to close the barn door.

    5. Seller NARUd. Team is now free to move onto
    other IDs and begin the process all over again.

    image
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    they finally got kicked out of ebay, but nobody gave them a negative?

    This fact is a classic example of why feedback on ebay is an absolutely useless gauge as to the integrity or honesty of a seller.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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