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The 1943 Coppers and the 1909-S VDB are the Holy Grails...
lloydmincy
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I know the 2003 MS70 as the Holy Grail is a sarcastic title, but we all know the true Holy Grail Lincolns:
Ask anyone on the street that is NOT a collector of coins what the "most valuable pennies" are, with there best guess and with some naivety, will say the 1909-S VDB, or the 1943 Copper cents.
When my freinds hear I collect coins, I think, from what I remember, 2 guys and a girl asked, "Do you have a VDB Cent???". The young collectors today know the 1909-S VDB is THEE coin to get for the wheat Whitman folder.
The press has in the distant past made the 1943 Coppers so well known. Henry Ford was rumored to give a new car to anyone that could find him one.
Yes, the 1909-s VDB's are not the most valuable small cents, but there values vs. rarity is EXTREMELY HIGH. But the 1943 Copper cents speak for themselves on value. THEY ARE, THE MOST VALUABLE SMALL CENTS LET ALONE LINCOLN CENTS IN THE WORLD.
The 1943 Copper Cents are the Holy Grail.
Ask anyone on the street that is NOT a collector of coins what the "most valuable pennies" are, with there best guess and with some naivety, will say the 1909-S VDB, or the 1943 Copper cents.
When my freinds hear I collect coins, I think, from what I remember, 2 guys and a girl asked, "Do you have a VDB Cent???". The young collectors today know the 1909-S VDB is THEE coin to get for the wheat Whitman folder.
The press has in the distant past made the 1943 Coppers so well known. Henry Ford was rumored to give a new car to anyone that could find him one.
Yes, the 1909-s VDB's are not the most valuable small cents, but there values vs. rarity is EXTREMELY HIGH. But the 1943 Copper cents speak for themselves on value. THEY ARE, THE MOST VALUABLE SMALL CENTS LET ALONE LINCOLN CENTS IN THE WORLD.
The 1943 Copper Cents are the Holy Grail.
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I agree the 43 copper and 09S-VDB should be the "Holy Grail" of Lincoln Cent.
Who knows how many 1974 Aluminum cents there are out there??? I bet no one would pay $250,000 for one. (that's what the 1943-D Copper could sell for today in a second).
Remember, I am not basing this completely on their values. Popularity AND value. There are plenty of cents that go for more than a 1909-S VDB.
<< <i>The Holy Grail "One Cent" coin could still be the 1943 Coppers, but the "Strawberry Leaf" large cent get's the top notch over the Chain Cent, IMO.. >>
How right you are!!! If there was ever a "Holy Grail" the Strawberry Leaf definitely gets the nod...with only 4 known and the fact that they rarely if ever come up for auction this certainly qualifies.
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<< <i>I know the 2003 MS70 as the Holy Grail is a sarcastic title, but we all know the true Holy Grail Lincolns:
Ask anyone on the street that is NOT a collector of coins what the "most valuable pennies" are, with there best guess and with some naivety, will say the 1909-S VDB, or the 1943 Copper cents.
When my freinds hear I collect coins, I think, from what I remember, 2 guys and a girl asked, "Do you have a VDB Cent???". The young collectors today know the 1909-S VDB is THEE coin to get for the wheat Whitman folder.
The press has in the distant past made the 1943 Coppers so well known. Henry Ford was rumored to give a new car to anyone that could find him one.
Yes, the 1909-s VDB's are not the most valuable small cents, but there values vs. rarity is EXTREMELY HIGH. But the 1943 Copper cents speak for themselves on value. THEY ARE, THE MOST VALUABLE SMALL CENTS LET ALONE LINCOLN CENTS IN THE WORLD.
The 1943 Copper Cents are the Holy Grail. >>
Lloyd, with respect to your mentioning the 1909-S VDB in the same sentence as "the Holy Grail" - I believe that you are confusing a (not THE) key-date, popular, well known coin with something much more important/sacred/rare.
<<Whatever the Holy Grail of Lincoln cents might be, it is NOT the S VDB! And, isn't there only ONE Holy Grail, in which case we must decide upon ONE Lincoln cent as THE one?>>
O.K. Mark. For lincolns, it would be the 1943-D Copper Cent as THEE HOLY GRAIL!!
And who says it's an "error"??? It was made, like the other copper 1943's. Just on another piece of metal!!!
David
Again, a "collector" opinion. Ask anyone on the street, "Would you buy a 1926-S MS65RED cent from me?". They would call the police on you!!!
I would not base the Holy Grail cent based on some operation's simple numerical grading of a coin. There are a ton of 1926-s cents - hardly a Holy Grail candidate. Besides, those 65's are really 64's - just some rich guys buyng them for fun...
If the 1958 DDO or 55 DDO's were considered, they are error coins also, and the 1943-D...
...would blow them out of the water...
If there is to be a "Top Lincoln Of All Time" (I hate the term "Holy Grail"), I think the opinion of collectors should have sway over what miniscule knowledge the average Joe has of coins.
<< <i>It would be exciting to see a 43 copper or a 44 steel. >>
I agree, and after all, shouldn't we be excited to see THE "Holy Grail" of Lincoln cents? Lloyd, since you're the troublemaker who started this thread, I'll ask you
There is more than one 1943 D copper cent.
I haven't read about any quest for the 2003 MS 70 cent, either.
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Mr. Feld:
I'm confused. I PICKED the 1943-D Copper as the Holy Grail. SO are you saying it is not an error???
I have no problem picking an error coin as the Holy Grail. To me, the Holy Grail Nickel is the...
1913 Liberty, of course!!!
Where is it Amanda??? With the 1964 Peace Dollar and the 1870-S quarter?
How about the :
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I wonder if that is a POP 1 ?
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<< <i><< It would be exciting to see a 43 copper or a 44 steel. >>
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Mr. Feld:
I'm confused. I PICKED the 1943-D Copper as the Holy Grail. SO are you saying it is not an error???
I have no problem picking an error coin as the Holy Grail. To me, the Holy Grail Nickel is the...
1913 Liberty, of course!!! >>
Lloyd, I haven't aged TOO much since we met, so there is no need to call me "Mr. Feld"
<< <i>There is more than one 1943 D copper cent.
Where is it Amanda??? With the 1964 Peace Dollar and the 1870-S quarter? >>
Breen says ANACS says there are about 40 known 1943 P specimens. Breen goes on to say that there are about 6 known 1943 S specimens and about 24 known 1943 D specimens.
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<< <i>Breen says ANACS says there are about 40 known 1943 P specimens. Breen goes on to say that there are about 6 known 1943 S specimens and about 24 known 1943 D specimens. >>
The Authoritative Reference on Lincoln Cents by John Wexler and Kevin Flynn states that there are 10 Philly, 1 Denver and 4 San Francisco 1943 bronze cents. When the 1943-D bronze cent was sold for over $200K a few years ago, they were fairly sure it was the only D coin. The book also states that there are 27 Philly, 7 Denver and 1 San Francisco 1944 steel cents. The book was published in 1996, and I think there are more now than then. Do any of the Lincoln cent folks have a current count?
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Rich: You are not reading the thread very well. Some subjective condition rating (AND price guide for that matter), means nothing. There are all kinds of POP 1 ratings in the lincoln series. Who cares. Just a marketing ploy for some rich guys (gals) to pay moon money for a piece of plastic. (When there are a bunch a grade lower. Again, like so many others, crack ALL of them out, resubmit raw, and see what happens to the "top pop"). The 1943-D Copper has to be a pop 1 anyway - IT IS THE ONLY ONE!!!
Mark: I called you Mr. Feld to give you a little respect. Sorry. It was an "error"!!!
Amanda: Breen's brain was in the gutter. Who knows of what he wrote/researched is 100% true today. He is DEFINITELY WRONG ABOUT THE 1943 COPPERS.
I have been notified directly that I am a little shy of the current sale price a buyer would pay today for the 1943-D Copper - by about ANOTHER $250,000...
<< <i>Amanda: Breen's brain was in the gutter. Who knows of what he wrote/researched is 100% true today. He is DEFINITELY WRONG ABOUT THE 1943 COPPERS. >>
Okay, but that's where my information came from.
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A holy grail coin would be one that has been forever rumored, but not proven to exist, wouldn't it? Like the 1917 Matte Proof.....
There is not a single "holy grail" coin in all of Lincolndom. You can't count errors like the bronze 43's. There are many unique errors and anomalies out there.
To be the holy grail, it would need to be an important coin, rare in its on right as an intended issue, and is conditionally rare as well.
I think the holy grail would have to be one of the pop 2 matte proof vdb's in 67red. I haven't seen a picture of Gerry's coin, but Stewart's is unbelievable!
<< <i>A holy grail coin would be one that has been forever rumored, but not proven to exist, wouldn't it? Like the 1917 Matte Proof.....
Let's not forget the 1910 S VDB.
Strngely I don't. I certainly could get one, but I collect mostly by type so a key date is counter productive to a high grade.
1959 wheat cent maybe???
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response in support of victory against the Nazi Axis. Other coins do too, but they're not rare.
In other words, a 1943 Copper isn't quite as historic as an error cent struck on dime blank-
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BTW--wher did Breen get 24 1943D coppers? Is there really only one?
Bottom line: IF you had to pick ONE Lincoln cent of all the BILLIONS minted, which would you pic as the # 1 "Holy Grail"???
Which one would you pick if you were chosen to be gifted ONE Lincoln cent in the world???
My pick would be 1943D copper as an error, then the 1926S in MS65RD--
I actually think the 2003 in 70 was sort of cheap, if it looks
as nice in hand as the images. But it's not in the league of many
a LMS's supberb Gem mint marked early cents.
disagree as to exactly what the holy grail is, collectors disagree on exactly what constitutes a Lincoln
which might be worthy of the title. The holy grail is believed to rest in a shrine in Ethiopia
according to millions of believers and the one who gaurds it yet still many knights go forth in its pur-
suit and the pursuit of the true holy grail.
Just as there can't be agreement on what is the holy grail there certainly won't be agreement on what
Lincoln might be most errantic.
Bottom line: IF you had to pick ONE Lincoln cent of all the BILLIONS minted, which would you pic as the # 1 "Holy Grail"???
Which one would you pick if you were chosen to be gifted ONE Lincoln cent in the world???
The 1943 copper
<< <i>Bottom line: IF you had to pick ONE Lincoln cent of all the BILLIONS minted, which would you pic as the # 1 "Holy Grail"???
Which one would you pick if you were chosen to be gifted ONE Lincoln cent in the world???
The 1943 copper
I'd pick the 1943-D bronze.
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