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holy-goodness, fight-FRAUD wins

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edited

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don't want any more threats of nasty letters, etc.

fight-FRAUD, you win!! I am mailing you a refund today.

Wow.

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  • There is only one way you can prove a card can be successfully graded by PSA. It is to have it graded by PSA.
  • Touche.

    Of note, I am refunding fight-FRAUD's money in FULL. Hopefully, he will return the money from the refund back to eBay. It would be the honest thing to do.
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    what did I miss here?
  • You seem like an expert in this series. Too bad you were snagged by a grumpy buyer. It can be a big waste of time and a big pain.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    How come you didn't send the disputed card into PSA for grading?
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • jimq112jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭


    << <i>what did I miss here? >>



    long story
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  • fight-FRAUD, would you please resend the card back to me, in the same condition I sent it to you?
  • jimq112jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭
    Isn't he technically breaking ebay rules by running an auction with nothing for sale? I tried to bid and wasn't allowed.
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  • I could understand all of this if the purchaser sent the card to PSA and it came back evid. trim., not minimum size, but evid. trim only.

    I can understand him being upset about purchasing a refractor from someone who seems to deal quite a bit in this issue (as evidenced alone by the two subs that have been posted lately)

    Nowhere in the auction does it say the card seems to be a little shorter than the others. Someone who is experienced in these cards know that they do vary quite a bit. For someone who sends in a bunch of these frequently, something had to be known or why not send it in with one of the submissions to get a 10?

    The exact description in the auction states "It has perfect corners and edges, a pristine surface, and is PERFECTLY centered"
    Seems like a 10 to me.

    Not taking anyones side, but everything doesnt add up.......
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    hell no dont refund him a penny..
    ·p_A·


  • << <i>hell no dont refund him a penny.. >>



    The check is in the mail. It's only $135.50. I do not need people in my life threatened, false accusations being spread, etc. The internet is fine, but some people take things a little too far, as their line of reality becomes somewhat blurred.

    Believe me, it is the smart thing to do.



    I'll sleep fine tonight!!!
  • lalala
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    GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Nice edits because those were some serious allegations....
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • dmatcdmatc Posts: 69 ✭✭
    I would had responded sooner but I didn't realize a new thread had been started.
    Hopefully this matter is coming to a close and I can fade back into the backround.
    I too am glad the seller edited his post as it was very,very inaccurate and I want
    to clear up at least one point.

    On Monday I sent the seller copies of the independent authenticator's report, a
    Mail Fraud report, and a letter I wrote to a friend of mine who works for the
    Postal Inspection Service. At the end of my letter I asked my friend to "Give my
    love to Michelle and the boys." Apparently the seller has perceived this to be a
    threat against his family. I didn't even know the seller had a family let alone their
    names. It is not even a threat to my friends family. Hell, it's not even a threat.

    jmbkb4, Thank you for finally agreeing to issue a refund. I truly wish we could have
    settled this matter weeks ago but that was always up to you.

    Reference your request to return the card, because of your longstanding unwillingness to
    accept the conclusion's of the independent authenticator and your, as well as others,
    insistance that PSA's opinion is the only opinion that matters I finally sent the card into PSA
    this morning. If they still grade the card, regardless of the grade it receives, I will of course
    return the refund you are sending me. I had intended to destroy the card if it was rejected
    but one of the board members was kind enough to point out the unfairness of that to you.
    If they refuse to grade the card I will honor your request and return it to you.

    fightfraud@aol.com
    "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"

    Deadman's Registry Sets
  • To be completely honest, I don't think it's possible for anyone outside of this immediate transaction to accurately take sides.

    That being said, this whole thing is very "high school."

    Arthur
  • kobykoby Posts: 1,699 ✭✭
    Fight-fraud,

    Congratulations on being successful in extorting a little over a hundred bucks. Hope your reputation was worth it.


  • << <i>
    Reference your request to return the card, because of your longstanding unwillingness to
    accept the conclusion's of the independent authenticator and your, as well as others,
    insistance that PSA's opinion is the only opinion that matters I finally sent the card into PSA
    this morning. If they still grade the card, regardless of the grade it receives, I will of course
    return the refund you are sending me. I had intended to destroy the card if it was rejected
    but one of the board members was kind enough to point out the unfairness of that to you.
    If they refuse to grade the card I will honor your request and return it to you.

    fightfraud@aol.com >>



    How gracious of you. Wow. You are incredible.

    Will you be returning the $100 you stole from eBay, now that I have refunded you your entire purchase price, including shipping & handling?


  • << <i>I would had responded sooner but I didn't realize a new thread had been started.
    Hopefully this matter is coming to a close and I can fade back into the backround.
    I too am glad the seller edited his post as it was very,very inaccurate and I want
    to clear up at least one point.

    On Monday I sent the seller copies of the independent authenticator's report, a
    Mail Fraud report, and a letter I wrote to a friend of mine who works for the
    Postal Inspection Service. At the end of my letter I asked my friend to "Give my
    love to Michelle and the boys." Apparently the seller has perceived this to be a
    threat against his family. I didn't even know the seller had a family let alone their
    names. It is not even a threat to my friends family. Hell, it's not even a threat.

    jmbkb4, Thank you for finally agreeing to issue a refund. I truly wish we could have
    settled this matter weeks ago but that was always up to you.

    Reference your request to return the card, because of your longstanding unwillingness to
    accept the conclusion's of the independent authenticator and your, as well as others,
    insistance that PSA's opinion is the only opinion that matters I finally sent the card into PSA
    this morning. If they still grade the card, regardless of the grade it receives, I will of course
    return the refund you are sending me. I had intended to destroy the card if it was rejected
    but one of the board members was kind enough to point out the unfairness of that to you.
    If they refuse to grade the card I will honor your request and return it to you.

    fightfraud@aol.com >>



    Just to let you know, fightfraud, not that it matters to you, you have been blocked from my auctions. I hope this eats away at your conscious for years and it drives you out of the hobby. Your actions have seemingly been nothing short of dishonest and unfair.

    Thanks for adding to the slow death of the hobby; I hope you have fun with Karma.

    -Ian
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    Im not understandings Fight-Fraud's right to hold the card hostage. It was no longer his to mail to PSA. Regardless of everything that has happened before...Im not taking sides here...but I think the card should have been returned to jmbkb4 immediately.

    In the end, I hope it all works out for everyone.
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    I am glad i have no idea what this is all about, nor do i want to take the time to. All i know is that it is COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAMEDAY. And to those Ohio State players, you bes' come to play todayimage You just might get an awakening.


  • << <i>Im not understandings Fight-Fraud's right to hold the card hostage. It was no longer his to mail to PSA. Regardless of everything that has happened before...Im not taking sides here...but I think the card should have been returned to jmbkb4 immediately.

    In the end, I hope it all works out for everyone. >>


    I'm not understanding that, or his willingness to defraud eBay out of over $100.

    Since he has been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO willing to fire off about me, with letters to the hospital I work at, threatening letters to me and my family, and threats of suing me in civil court, the LEAST I can do is ask fight-FRAUD:

    1. Why are you defrauding eBay out of over $100?

    2. Where is the "trimmed" card that you don't seem to want to give up??

    Best,

    Josh
  • Would it be too much for you to post a copy of this supposedly threatening letter for everyone to read?

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    GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Would it be too much for you to post a copy of this supposedly threatening letter for everyone to read? >>



    Before the edit, he claimed that his work did in fact receive a letter. Afterwards, he changed the story...
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    I dont think posting a letter like that would be appropriate and I would never do it either. Boy, I hope that didnt happen...all over 135 bucks? I mean, yes, I would be agressive trying to get my money back...but I think that would be going MUCH too far.

    Again, not taking sides here...just looking at it from an objective point of view....hope it all works out for yas!
  • Did you know if he threatened to sue you and does not do so in 30 days you can sue him..

    This is because so many people have been threatened before that they have had medical problems from the threats and sold items they did not need too. Only to have the person not sue them. Many states enacted this law, but it is not well known..
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think we should...

    strap him to a chair...

    and make him watch 47 hrs straight of Oprah and Dr Phil!

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    Mike
  • DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    Sportscardsfanatics,

    I never knew about this law, but it makes sense. I have heard of malicious prosecution being against the law.

    Law suits are indeed very stressful. Anything that one is not used to is stressful. So, one should never threaten a lawsuit in writing that he is not going to follow through on.
    "So many of our DREAMS at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we SUMMON THE WILL they soon become INEVITABLE "- Christopher Reeve

    BST: Tennessebanker, Downtown1974, LarkinCollector, nendee
  • Fight fraud needs some cheese...


  • << <i>Sportscardsfanatics,

    I never knew about this law, but it makes sense. I have heard of malicious prosecution being against the law.

    Law suits are indeed very stressful. Anything that one is not used to is stressful. So, one should never threaten a lawsuit in writing that he is not going to follow through on. >>



    Every state has different laws...better check up on the State you live in.

    "Malicious prosecution" involves a CRIMINAL trial...not a CIVIL TRIAL/Case, which is what was allegedly threatened in this instance.
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