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Why can't a reverse proof be graded as Deep Cameo?

Maybe a silly question but why not? Everything is reversed so it stands to reason the coin could be graded as such.

Your thoughts.
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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,168 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are the fields of these coins done the way the mint state coins are done or are they like the frosty devices on a regular proof?
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Shallow Cameo Proof-Like"
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    The "deep mirror" refers to reflectivity in the fields. Apparently if these can't DCAM, the TPG Powers That Be don't believe that definition translates well to reflectivity from the devices.
  • Anti-DC ?

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  • so what will the grade designation look like?

    RP-69-????

  • Because it doesn't fit the definition of "Deep Cameo"???
    -George
    42/92
  • TheNumishTheNumish Posts: 1,628 ✭✭
    Someone else said it best. Reverse proof should be MACD.
  • How do they make reverse proofs? image

    -Amanda
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,583 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How do they make reverse proofs? image

    -Amanda >>



    First they strike the coins, then they polish the planchets, then they polish the dies.........
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  • << <i>How do they make reverse proofs? image

    -Amanda >>



    Amanda,

    They polish the dies. Then they mask the devices and sand blast the fields. They remove the masking and then strike the coins. Same way they make a normal proof, except they mask the devices instead of the fields after polishing.
    Have you seen the Inside the US Mint (I think that is what it is called. I have it on DVD) on one of the cable channels? It is quite interesting. Look it up on your cable schedule and mark off a day to watch it.

    Jonathan

    Edit: added a "y"
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I still hate the "Reverse Proof" term, since it numismatically incorrect. Proof is a method of manufacture, not a description of appearance. When you reverse it, it implies, as CaptHenway said, that you're producing dies from coins. That method of manufacture is usually known as counterfeiting (or making 1921 Morgan dollars). As silly as having to add a designation like DCAM is to modern proofs where all are DCAMs, the only designation that seems appropriate for the so-called "Reverse Proofs™" is "reversed cameo" (so as not to confuse "reverse" with the backside of the coin), "negative cameo", or "anti-cam." The thing is, these coins are a separate issue from the traditional appearance proofs, so they should be differentiated as a variety rather than a grade designation. The labels in the slabs should read, ™-free "2006-W Reversed Cameo / PR70."
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,526 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How about the word "DCAM" in mirror image?

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  • << <i>As silly as having to add a designation like DCAM is to modern proofs where all are DCAMs >>

    Apparently you don't handle too many Modern Proofs image
    -George
    42/92
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,196 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>As silly as having to add a designation like DCAM is to modern proofs where all are DCAMs >>

    Apparently you don't handle too many Modern Proofs image >>

    Everything I've ordered from the mint in the past several years has been DCAM, and I don't know that I've ever seen a proof sliver or gold eagle or a modern proof commemorative that hasn't been.


  • << <i>

    << <i>How do they make reverse proofs? image

    -Amanda >>



    Amanda,

    They polish the dies. Then they mask the devices and sand blast the fields. They remove the masking and then strike the coins. Same way they make a normal proof, except they mask the devices instead of the fields after polishing.
    Have you seen the Inside the US Mint (I think that is what it is called. I have it on DVD) on one of the cable channels? It is quite interesting. Look it up on your cable schedule and mark off a day to watch it.

    Jonathan

    Edit: added a "y" >>



    Thanks for explaining. image I'll keep my eye out for the program!



    << <i>Proof is a method of manufacture, not a description of appearance. When you reverse it, it implies, as CaptHenway said, that you're producing dies from coins. That method of manufacture is usually known as counterfeiting (or making 1921 Morgan dollars). >>



    image

    -Amanda
    image

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    My Buffalo Nickel Website Home of the Quirky Buffaloes Collection!

    Proud member of the CUFYNA

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