If you submit a set in the sealed shipping box - but the set is not addressed to me (meaning I purchased it from someone else - who bought it direct from the mint - and it is still sealed in the FEDEX ship box) - am I able to submit it under my name and membership?
If you submit a set in the sealed shipping box - but the set is not addressed to me (meaning I purchased it from someone else - who bought it direct from the mint - and it is still sealed in the FEDEX ship box) - am I able to submit it under my name and membership? >>
Yes, as long as the box remains sealed.
Ron Guth President PCGS CoinFacts - the Internet Encyclopedia of U.S. Coins www.CoinFacts.com
Kaelesdad: Russ - Bear in mind that I believe the way you shipped your coins, you may be entitled to receive (20) of the (30) coins in First Strike holders anyway. Your issue may only involve the regular Proof Gold pieces. I just wanted to mention that to "ease the pain". I wasn't sure if you knew that perhaps (20) of your coins might still receive the First Strike designation even with the open boxes. All the best. Wondercoin.
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<< <i>Kaelesdad: Russ - Bear in mind that I believe the way you shipped your coins, you may be entitled to receive (20) of the (30) coins in First Strike holders anyway. Your issue may only involve the regular Proof Gold pieces. I just wanted to mention that to "ease the pain". I wasn't sure if you knew that perhaps (20) of your coins might still receive the First Strike designation even with the open boxes. All the best. Wondercoin. >>
I think what they are upset about is that they will not have the opportunity to get the key "SLAB" which will now be the regular proof First Strike/ 20th Anniversary slab. Obviously the coin will not change, this is all about the value added by the plastic.
Youve hit it right on the noggin CoinHog. What was the key was the Reverse, now the key will be the Regular. Its all about the label for many, many collectors. if you had a diamond and it was worth more with a simple appraisal, who wouldnt get that piece of paper? Its the same diamond, right?
In this case, the key now becomes dependant upon how many people did not open sets/then how many want to get those graded/ then how many want to send off their box unopened/then how many pay an extra 10 bucks for the FS label/then how many of those grade 70. Those few 70s are going to be so hotly pursued its not going to be funny. I would guess less than 100 will get it, probably closer to 50. Hows that for a key?
But i should take heart knowing that while i dont get to play in that sandbox, i do get 2 out of 3 lovely parting gifts.
This is not good. How many have opened their set just to ensure that the Mint sent the right items? Why doesn't PCGS accept a proof that the whole set was bought directly from the mint?
If I sent only the two coins from the ASE 20th set, why not the Proof? Can't they make an exeption when with the original documents with the Set?
UNFAIR. Not many, and maybe not even PCGS would even think about not opening a set with out proper verification that they recieved the whole set.
Unopened can guarantee the source, but why not the invoices sent with the set?
If I send in all my Reverse Proofs and UNC "W" , I'll get FS and 20th. If I request to get the capsule back PCGS will send it back. Correct ??? Or should I put the coins in a flip to send to PCGS.
My Regular Proof is worthless because I can't get FS or 20th on it. >>
You can't get first strike if you put them in flips. You can't open the box they came in and still get first strike.
Jonathan
I have been a collector for over mumbly-five years. I learn something new every day.
If I send in all my Reverse Proofs and UNC "W" , I'll get FS and 20th. If I request to get the capsule back PCGS will send it back. Correct ??? Or should I put the coins in a flip to send to PCGS.
My Regular Proof is worthless because I can't get FS or 20th on it. >>
You can't get first strike if you put them in flips. You can't open the box they came in and still get first strike.
Jonathan >>
That is only for the Regular Proof. The Reverse Proof and "W" will still get FS and 20th even out of the box.
<< <i>This is not good. How many have opened their set just to ensure that the Mint sent the right items? Why doesn't PCGS accept a proof that the whole set was bought directly from the mint?
If I sent only the two coins from the ASE 20th set, why not the Proof? Can't they make an exeption when with the original documents with the Set?
UNFAIR. Not many, and maybe not even PCGS would even think about not opening a set with out proper verification that they recieved the whole set.
Unopened can guarantee the source, but why not the invoices sent with the set?
Super Duper Disappointed....... >>
I agree. If you have the Reverse Proof and the Unc "W", then by default you got the regular proof.
PCGS screwed up when they added 20th Anniversary to coins struck in 2005, now because of PCGS, the REAL 20th Anniversary coins CANNOT be labeled as such !!
Your only offering "PCGS will offer special First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts"
Has anybody noticed that the First Strike Proof 70 Gold Buffaloes typiclly sell for $2600 while the non first strike proof 70 gold buffaloes sell for $1300.
I guess that is why people are so upset about opening their boxes.
Didn't PCGS have the same requirement for the buff's, that they must be sent in the sealed boxes to get the first strike designation?
Thats insane for two little words, I guess it just tells you that a lot of people don't care as much about the coin as they do about the label.
I'm not going to open my box and I am not going to submit the coins. That way I'll just have to believe that what I purchased is a full set of FS coins in PR70.
While I can understand why people are upset about not being told not to open their boxes. I don't think we should take it out on PCGS and Ron. In the past, I have received coin sets and they were shipped in one box, but also in a brown box inside the shipping box. The US Mint should have placed each set in a brown box with the bar code and item code.
However, PCGS did try to get the information out to people in a timely manner. I've read the entire thread so far and what I am hearing is that people are miffed at PCGS for not telling everyone not to open their boxes BEFORE they opened their boxes. Of course, 99% of people will open their box to ensure that what they ordered is indeed in the box. There is really no way around this. The US Mint makes all kinds of mistakes and I would not want to be notified by PCGS that what I say I sent them is not what they received. Even with the notice from PCGS, I still would not send an unopened box to PCGS. I'll go without my FS designation on my one proof coin and get it on the other coins. If I want a FS proof, I'll just buy one if it is really important to me to have a matched set. (If that is possible)
But, I don't see how bashing PCGS for actually posting some really helpful information is going to make matters better. They have to have rules or people will submit proofs issued prior to these for the FS designation. I am in no way in bed with PCGS. But I don't think Ron deserves getting bashed for trying to help.
We really should blame the US Mint for not putting each coin set into thin, cardstock boxes, INSIDE the shipping box.
Jonathan
I have been a collector for over mumbly-five years. I learn something new every day.
<< <i>This is not good. How many have opened their set just to ensure that the Mint sent the right items? Why doesn't PCGS accept a proof that the whole set was bought directly from the mint?
If I sent only the two coins from the ASE 20th set, why not the Proof? Can't they make an exeption when with the original documents with the Set?
UNFAIR. Not many, and maybe not even PCGS would even think about not opening a set with out proper verification that they recieved the whole set.
Unopened can guarantee the source, but why not the invoices sent with the set?
If you spent a substantial amount of money, on lets say, a car, and you called your insurance company and said I need to know exactly what I should do before I get in this thing and drive it, and then you did as they told you, and 3 hours later they made a statement that any cars driven before they personally inspected them were uninsurable( assuming this insurance company had the absolute best policys and everyone desired cars insured by them), how would you feel?
Your nice new very expensive purchase just became a large lawn ornament. But, at least its still worth melt, right?
I received my gold set on the 26th of September before there was anything said about having to submit an unopened box. Does that mean me set would not receive the FS designation if I sent it in for grading. I would think that having the packing and delivery slip from the mint would be proof of the date the set was shipped.
Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
<< <i>The box has to be unopened for FS designation no exceptions according to PCGS. Anybody can switch out the coins for the regular gold proof and the MS Gold W. >>
Unless you get them to PCGS within the 30day window. Although the only ones that could be slabbed at the point would be the Reverse proof and the UNC as they have no way of knowing if you switched the proof.
What about the fractional bullion Gold & Platinum Coins? Will PCGS offer special First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts for these coins?
Thanks, Gary >>
Per the first page:
"When individual Reverse Proof and W-mintmarked coins are released in the future, they may qualify under the First Strike program but not for the 20th Anniversary Set designation. Guidance for these coins will be developed as more information becomes available."
I think yes FS but no 20th. 20th is only for the sets.
So one person is telling me that First Strike window is about to close on 10/25 for both the gold and silver sets, whether open or sealed. That only the 20th Anniversary set will be designated after that. I have a sealed AGE set. Does this mean if I sent it in today via registered mail and it arrives in a week or so (normal) that no First Strike is available? My understanding was the opposite, that sealed sets would still be designated as First Strike as long as the sets arrived sealed with their postmarks intact.
I've quoted what seems to be the relevant section of the original post. I don't have a good time to call PCGS during business hours. Can anyone else who has talked with them clarify this for me? Thanks.
PCGS will offer special First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts for these coins subject to the following special limitations PCGS will offer special First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts for these coins subject to the following special limitations: 1. All coins must be submitted in the original, unopened Mint packaging as received from the Mint within 30 days of the original release date (check with our Bulk Department for exact dates). Because the 2006-W $50 Proof and 2006-W $1 Proof coins were already issued earlier this year, the packaging must remain unopened for these coins to qualify for these special inserts. 2. Individual submissions of coins 1b, 1c, 2b, 2c, 3a, and 3b (see above) will qualify for First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts as long as they are received within 30 days of their original release dates. 3. Individual submissions of coins 1a and 2a will not qualify for First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts. 4. Depending on when the various sets begin shipping, there may be some time overlap between coins 1c and 3a (the 2006-W $1 Mint State) and 2c and 3b (the 2006-W $50 Mint State). In case of overlap, the time “window” for the First Strike designation on one or more of the sets may be limited to the time left in the 30 day period for the sets that are shipped first. Example: if the 3-piece gold coin set begins shipping on September 25th, the cutoff date for First Strikes will be October 24th. Subsequently, if the 2-piece set begins shipping on October 10th, the cutoff date for First Strikes will be October 24th instead of November 9th.
Following the expiration of any First Strike/20th Anniversary Set dates, PCGS will continue to designate coins from the 20th Anniversary Sets as long as the coins are received in the original, unopened, Mint packaging.
I called customer service today. The rep told me the coins MUST be received BY the 25th to qualify for FS and 20th anniversary designations. The set MUST be sealed. Otherwise, only the RP and UNC will get the designations. If you send it registered, it will probably NOT get there. Send it priority and insure it for full value, or take a gamble. INsured will cost about $50-60 to insure it for $5K, but $21 for registered. Good luck!
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Just spoke with a PCGS rep and was told that 3 piece AGE sets have to be postmarked by 24th if opened for 1st strike on the unc and reverse proof, sealed boxes are permitted up to november 4th... at least that was what I was told.
<< <i>Just spoke with a PCGS rep and was told that 3 piece AGE sets have to be postmarked by 24th if opened for 1st strike on the unc and reverse proof, sealed boxes are permitted up to november 4th... at least that was what I was told. >>
Do you mean ASE?
In the past if you have an un-opened box from the mint you could submit it anytime for the First Strike label.
I called regarding sending in my 2 piece sealed set. I'm too lazy to send it back and thought if least if graded if would at least have some authenticity. Plus, as this is my first time and noneof the dealer reps in my area (michigan) had any interest in helping submit, I joined the silver club, but was told to wait for the packet, which I still don't have. First rep said no problem just mail it in when I'm ready. After reading this stuff, i called again and second rep said no I wouldn't lose 1st strike designation, but just send it in as soon as I get the packet. Looks like 1st the mint smacks me and then 'll probably screw up the grading thing too....
You can print out submission forms from the PCGS website; they'll have your club member number, etc already on them.
You can still make the 24th deadline if you want-- but you don't have to worry about guaranteeing authenticity. There's a Certificate of Authenticity packed with the set.
Too bad you can't get the same answers from two different reps; wonder what a 3rd rep would say if asked the same question...
Here's a hint as with any customer service interaction. When you are talking to them:
* Be nice. Don't accuse them of anything, don't be brash, don't be rude. * Get their name. * Record the name * Record the day/time you called * Record precisely what they tell you * Reiterate your understanding of the answer to your question.
If you get screwed later, while it may not change the results, having the above info will at least make you credible and you may (or may not) be able to get some help. If you can't even identify when, or who, you talked to, then don't expect much if you call back for support about the issue.
You can print out submission forms from the PCGS website; they'll have your club member number, etc already on them.
You can still make the 24th deadline if you want-- but you don't have to worry about guaranteeing authenticity. There's a Certificate of Authenticity packed with the set.
Too bad you can't get the same answers from two different reps; wonder what a 3rd rep would say if asked the same question... >>
Hello, as a first timer, I did figure out that part, and my form does have all the info on it, when I called the rep, and yes I did record his name and all the info, but since prior posts didn't name names, I figured there was a reason. Anyway, on my second confirming call I told them I was uncertain on how to fill out the submission form for just the 2 piece set, I did ask if I could just fill it out and send it in, and I was told just to wait for the packet. I then said, well can you just tell me what to check off?, and can I then mail it in? The rep said, well the packet explains everything and that'll be easier once I read it. I expressed concern about missing the first strike designation timeline, and was then told don't worry about it, I'd be OK. First time submission, only want 2 coin sealed set graded, Any help with form? Return postage (how does that work) ? I'm sure this has gotta be easy right? As far as authenticity, regardless of the certificate, I read on another site that without grading, someone could just reload a box with the indiv. coins and who's the wiser.
They didn't tell me the cutoff date, I specifically asked about losing the first strike designation and was told just wait for the packet and that I'd be ok, to just send it in as soon as I got the packet cause it had my member stuff in it. I asked the guy well, I printed off the form from the net and my info stuff is already on there so if maybe you can just work me through the boxes to check off can i just do that? He says well it'll be easier once you get the packet. Well I got the packet and it doesn't clear up anything at all. Could someone just help work me through how they would fill out the form, what boxes to check, and where to send this thing and how does the return postage thing work... I'm thinking the cutoff is the 24th, from what I read in here. I'm feeling kinda stupid, but I've never done this before...Thanks
The 2 piece set can be opened. Theres a plus. You dont have to fill it out for each coin, if you have 10 sets, you would write for the Gold under quantity :10 , under coin number: 89993, under date: 2006-W, under denom: $50, under variety: 20th Anniversary Set For the Silver under quantity :10 , under coin number: 89991, under date: 2006-W, under denom: $1, under variety: 20th Anniversary Set
Write in bold letters: ATTn:Bulk Submission, then circle it so it stands out. Do the same on the outside of the shipping box.
For First Strke, next to other on Service level write First strike, then pay an additional $10 per coin to get the designation. Should run you $40 per coin for regular/FS
Good luck, do not ship registered, it takes a while, ship insured priority and it will get there pretty quick.
Hope that helps, and it just my opinion which usually means squat.
<< <i>The 2 piece set can be opened. Theres a plus. You dont have to fill it out for each coin, if you have 10 sets, you would write for the Gold under quantity :10 , under coin number: 89993, under date: 2006-W, under denom: $50, under variety: 20th Anniversary Set For the Silver under quantity :10 , under coin number: 89991, under date: 2006-W, under denom: $1, under variety: 20th Anniversary Set
Write in bold letters: ATTn:Bulk Submission, then circle it so it stands out. Do the same on the outside of the shipping box.
For First Strke, next to other on Service level write First strike, then pay an additional $10 per coin to get the designation. Should run you $40 per coin for regular/FS
Good luck, do not ship registered, it takes a while, ship insured priority and it will get there pretty quick.
Hope that helps, and it just my opinion which usually means squat.
Russ >>
Thanks Russ, I did put in another call and the Rep (Teresa I believe) was very nice and helped me with the form, plus I think with your help I have it now right. I'm shipping out in the am. She did say the 24th was the deadline for 1st strike. Last Q, what's the deal with Attn: Bulk submission, is this for me I only am sending in (1) 2 coin set. Where am I sending this thing?
Ok, I re-read the thread. Says must go through Bulk Dept. So am I correct that on paperwork somewhere I write in big letters Attn: Bulk Submission cirlce that, then ship to address: Attn: Bulk Submission, P.O. Box 9458, Newport Beach, CA 92658,,,,
Though I am a greenhorn at submitting coins to PCGS, it is my understanding it only has to be indicated on the outside of the box. Hopefully one of the veteran submitters will chime in and let us know.
<< <i>Wow, that's a mouthful. I think I will keep my silver set (when it arrives) in the mint packaging. >>
I MAY change my mind now, and have Ultra-Modern Crap™ graded for the first time. This would be the only way to "pedigree" the proof and BU coins to the 20th ann set, which might be kind of neat a couple decades from now. I'll ask for the packaging back as well, then I can re-assemble them if all my coins are graded "only" 68
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If you are still replying to this thread -
My question is -
If you submit a set in the sealed shipping box - but the set is not addressed to me (meaning I purchased it from someone else - who bought it direct from the mint - and it is still sealed in the FEDEX ship box) - am I able to submit it under my name and membership?
<< <i>Ron -
If you are still replying to this thread -
My question is -
If you submit a set in the sealed shipping box - but the set is not addressed to me (meaning I purchased it from someone else - who bought it direct from the mint - and it is still sealed in the FEDEX ship box) - am I able to submit it under my name and membership? >>
Yes, as long as the box remains sealed.
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<< <i>Kaelesdad: Russ - Bear in mind that I believe the way you shipped your coins, you may be entitled to receive (20) of the (30) coins in First Strike holders anyway. Your issue may only involve the regular Proof Gold pieces. I just wanted to mention that to "ease the pain". I wasn't sure if you knew that perhaps (20) of your coins might still receive the First Strike designation even with the open boxes. All the best. Wondercoin. >>
I think what they are upset about is that they will not have the opportunity to get the key "SLAB" which will now be the regular proof First Strike/ 20th Anniversary slab. Obviously the coin will not change, this is all about the value added by the plastic.
In this case, the key now becomes dependant upon how many people did not open sets/then how many want to get those graded/ then how many want to send off their box unopened/then how many pay an extra 10 bucks for the FS label/then how many of those grade 70. Those few 70s are going to be so hotly pursued its not going to be funny. I would guess less than 100 will get it, probably closer to 50. Hows that for a key?
But i should take heart knowing that while i dont get to play in that sandbox, i do get 2 out of 3 lovely parting gifts.
iS IT STILL POSSIBLE TO GET THE SILLY BUT APPARENTLY VALUABLE FS STATUS even if my coins arrive late?
If I sent only the two coins from the ASE 20th set, why not the Proof? Can't they make an exeption when with the original documents with the Set?
UNFAIR. Not many, and maybe not even PCGS would even think about not opening a set with out proper verification that they recieved the whole set.
Unopened can guarantee the source, but why not the invoices sent with the set?
Super Duper Disappointed.......
<< <i>OK, so this is the way I see it.
If I send in all my Reverse Proofs and UNC "W" , I'll get FS and 20th. If I request to get the capsule back PCGS will send it back. Correct ??? Or should I put the coins in a flip to send to PCGS.
My Regular Proof is worthless because I can't get FS or 20th on it. >>
You can't get first strike if you put them in flips. You can't open the box they came in and still get first strike.
Jonathan
<< <i>
<< <i>OK, so this is the way I see it.
If I send in all my Reverse Proofs and UNC "W" , I'll get FS and 20th. If I request to get the capsule back PCGS will send it back. Correct ??? Or should I put the coins in a flip to send to PCGS.
My Regular Proof is worthless because I can't get FS or 20th on it. >>
You can't get first strike if you put them in flips. You can't open the box they came in and still get first strike.
Jonathan >>
That is only for the Regular Proof. The Reverse Proof and "W" will still get FS and 20th even out of the box.
<< <i>This is not good. How many have opened their set just to ensure that the Mint sent the right items? Why doesn't PCGS accept a proof that the whole set was bought directly from the mint?
If I sent only the two coins from the ASE 20th set, why not the Proof? Can't they make an exeption when with the original documents with the Set?
UNFAIR. Not many, and maybe not even PCGS would even think about not opening a set with out proper verification that they recieved the whole set.
Unopened can guarantee the source, but why not the invoices sent with the set?
Super Duper Disappointed....... >>
I agree. If you have the Reverse Proof and the Unc "W", then by default you got the regular proof.
PCGS screwed up when they added 20th Anniversary to coins struck in 2005, now because of PCGS, the REAL 20th Anniversary coins CANNOT be labeled as such !!
Your only offering "PCGS will offer special First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts"
"Sets" is the key.
2005 20th Anniversary
I guess that is why people are so upset about opening their boxes.
Didn't PCGS have the same requirement for the buff's, that they must be sent in the sealed boxes to get the first strike designation?
Thats insane for two little words, I guess it just tells you that a lot of people don't care as much about the coin as they do about the label.
Yes Coinhog that is key.
Personnally, I don't think ANY regular proofs in the SET should be first strike. They minted those all year.
But I think they should be labeled 20th Anniversary. I can get the Reverse Proof and Unc "W" as 20th, so why not the regular Proof ????
See my statements above.
While I can understand why people are upset about not being told not to open their boxes. I don't think we should take it out on PCGS and Ron. In the past, I have received coin sets and they were shipped in one box, but also in a brown box inside the shipping box. The US Mint should have placed each set in a brown box with the bar code and item code.
However, PCGS did try to get the information out to people in a timely manner. I've read the entire thread so far and what I am hearing is that people are miffed at PCGS for not telling everyone not to open their boxes BEFORE they opened their boxes. Of course, 99% of people will open their box to ensure that what they ordered is indeed in the box. There is really no way around this. The US Mint makes all kinds of mistakes and I would not want to be notified by PCGS that what I say I sent them is not what they received. Even with the notice from PCGS, I still would not send an unopened box to PCGS. I'll go without my FS designation on my one proof coin and get it on the other coins. If I want a FS proof, I'll just buy one if it is really important to me to have a matched set. (If that is possible)
But, I don't see how bashing PCGS for actually posting some really helpful information is going to make matters better. They have to have rules or people will submit proofs issued prior to these for the FS designation. I am in no way in bed with PCGS. But I don't think Ron deserves getting bashed for trying to help.
We really should blame the US Mint for not putting each coin set into thin, cardstock boxes, INSIDE the shipping box.
Jonathan
<< <i>This is not good. How many have opened their set just to ensure that the Mint sent the right items? Why doesn't PCGS accept a proof that the whole set was bought directly from the mint?
If I sent only the two coins from the ASE 20th set, why not the Proof? Can't they make an exeption when with the original documents with the Set?
UNFAIR. Not many, and maybe not even PCGS would even think about not opening a set with out proper verification that they recieved the whole set.
Unopened can guarantee the source, but why not the invoices sent with the set?
Super Duper Disappointed....... >>
Amen to that question. It is TOTALLY UNFAIR!!!!
If you spent a substantial amount of money, on lets say, a car, and you called your insurance company and said I need to know exactly what I should do before I get in this thing and drive it, and then you did as they told you, and 3 hours later they made a statement that any cars driven before they personally inspected them were uninsurable( assuming this insurance company had the absolute best policys and everyone desired cars insured by them), how would you feel?
Your nice new very expensive purchase just became a large lawn ornament. But, at least its still worth melt, right?
<< <i>You'll probably have no takers on the 'set'.
HERE's why:
All my set came in 1 box.
I opened box. As I'm sure most people will.
We're not eligable.
If I didn't open the box, apperantly I would have to have all sets graded !!! >>
Actually you can put on the form only grade specific coins and request that the other be returned. It just means you have to wait to see them.
I'm excited. They will be shipped tomorrow. Can't wait to get the box!
Box of 20
<< <i>NGC won't put First Strike on their AGE coins because they consider them all First Strikes. >>
That and PCGS trade marked the term.
Box of 20
Box of 20
<< <i>The box has to be unopened for FS designation no exceptions according to PCGS. Anybody can switch out the coins for the regular gold proof and the MS Gold W. >>
Unless you get them to PCGS within the 30day window. Although the only ones that could be slabbed at the point would be the Reverse proof and the UNC as they have no way of knowing if you switched the proof.
What about the fractional bullion Gold & Platinum Coins? Will PCGS offer special First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts for these coins?
Thanks, Gary
<< <i>Hello Ron,
What about the fractional bullion Gold & Platinum Coins? Will PCGS offer special First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts for these coins?
Thanks, Gary >>
Per the first page:
"When individual Reverse Proof and W-mintmarked coins are released in the future, they may qualify under the First Strike program but not for the 20th Anniversary Set designation. Guidance for these coins will be developed as more information becomes available."
I think yes FS but no 20th. 20th is only for the sets.
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I've quoted what seems to be the relevant section of the original post. I don't have a good time to call PCGS during business hours. Can anyone else who has talked with them clarify this for me? Thanks.
PCGS will offer special First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts for these coins subject to the following special limitations
PCGS will offer special First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts for these coins subject to the following special limitations:
1. All coins must be submitted in the original, unopened Mint packaging as received from the Mint within 30 days of the original release date (check with our Bulk Department for exact dates). Because the 2006-W $50 Proof and 2006-W $1 Proof coins were already issued earlier this year, the packaging must remain unopened for these coins to qualify for these special inserts.
2. Individual submissions of coins 1b, 1c, 2b, 2c, 3a, and 3b (see above) will qualify for First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts as long as they are received within 30 days of their original release dates.
3. Individual submissions of coins 1a and 2a will not qualify for First Strike/20th Anniversary Set inserts.
4. Depending on when the various sets begin shipping, there may be some time overlap between coins 1c and 3a (the 2006-W $1 Mint State) and 2c and 3b (the 2006-W $50 Mint State). In case of overlap, the time “window” for the First Strike designation on one or more of the sets may be limited to the time left in the 30 day period for the sets that are shipped first.
Example: if the 3-piece gold coin set begins shipping on September 25th, the cutoff date for First Strikes will be October 24th. Subsequently, if the 2-piece set begins shipping on October 10th, the cutoff date for First Strikes will be October 24th instead of November 9th.
Following the expiration of any First Strike/20th Anniversary Set dates, PCGS will continue to designate coins from the 20th Anniversary Sets as long as the coins are received in the original, unopened, Mint packaging.
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<< <i>Just spoke with a PCGS rep and was told that 3 piece AGE sets have to be postmarked by 24th if opened for 1st strike on the unc and reverse proof, sealed boxes are permitted up to november 4th... at least that was what I was told. >>
Do you mean ASE?
In the past if you have an un-opened box from the mint you could submit it anytime for the First Strike label.
You can print out submission forms from the PCGS website; they'll have your club member number, etc already on them.
You can still make the 24th deadline if you want-- but you don't have to worry about guaranteeing authenticity. There's a Certificate of Authenticity packed with the set.
Too bad you can't get the same answers from two different reps; wonder what a 3rd rep would say if asked the same question...
When you are talking to them:
* Be nice. Don't accuse them of anything, don't be brash, don't be rude.
* Get their name.
* Record the name
* Record the day/time you called
* Record precisely what they tell you
* Reiterate your understanding of the answer to your question.
If you get screwed later, while it may not change the results, having the above info will at least make you credible and you may (or may not) be able to get some help. If you can't even identify when, or who, you talked to, then don't expect much if you call back for support about the issue.
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You can print out submission forms from the PCGS website; they'll have your club member number, etc already on them.
You can still make the 24th deadline if you want-- but you don't have to worry about guaranteeing authenticity. There's a Certificate of Authenticity packed with the set.
Too bad you can't get the same answers from two different reps; wonder what a 3rd rep would say if asked the same question...
Hello, as a first timer, I did figure out that part, and my form does have all the info on it, when I called the rep, and yes I did record his name and all the info, but since prior posts didn't name names, I figured there was a reason. Anyway, on my second confirming call I told them I was uncertain on how to fill out the submission form for just the 2 piece set, I did ask if I could just fill it out and send it in, and I was told just to wait for the packet. I then said, well can you just tell me what to check off?, and can I then mail it in? The rep said, well the packet explains everything and that'll be easier once I read it. I expressed concern about missing the first strike designation timeline, and was then told don't worry about it, I'd be OK. First time submission, only want 2 coin sealed set graded, Any help with form? Return postage (how does that work) ? I'm sure this has gotta be easy right? As far as authenticity, regardless of the certificate, I read on another site that without grading, someone could just reload a box with the indiv. coins and who's the wiser.
You dont have to fill it out for each coin, if you have 10 sets, you would write
for the Gold
under quantity :10 , under coin number: 89993, under date: 2006-W, under denom: $50, under variety: 20th Anniversary Set
For the Silver
under quantity :10 , under coin number: 89991, under date: 2006-W, under denom: $1, under variety: 20th Anniversary Set
Write in bold letters: ATTn:Bulk Submission, then circle it so it stands out. Do the same on the outside of the shipping box.
For First Strke, next to other on Service level write First strike, then pay an additional $10 per coin to get the designation. Should run you $40 per coin for regular/FS
Good luck, do not ship registered, it takes a while, ship insured priority and it will get there pretty quick.
Hope that helps, and it just my opinion which usually means squat.
Russ
<< <i>The 2 piece set can be opened. Theres a plus.
You dont have to fill it out for each coin, if you have 10 sets, you would write
for the Gold
under quantity :10 , under coin number: 89993, under date: 2006-W, under denom: $50, under variety: 20th Anniversary Set
For the Silver
under quantity :10 , under coin number: 89991, under date: 2006-W, under denom: $1, under variety: 20th Anniversary Set
Write in bold letters: ATTn:Bulk Submission, then circle it so it stands out. Do the same on the outside of the shipping box.
For First Strke, next to other on Service level write First strike, then pay an additional $10 per coin to get the designation. Should run you $40 per coin for regular/FS
Good luck, do not ship registered, it takes a while, ship insured priority and it will get there pretty quick.
Hope that helps, and it just my opinion which usually means squat.
Russ >>
Thanks Russ, I did put in another call and the Rep (Teresa I believe) was very nice and helped me with the form, plus I think with your help I have it now right. I'm shipping out in the am. She did say the 24th was the deadline for 1st strike. Last Q, what's the deal with Attn: Bulk submission, is this for me I only am sending in (1) 2 coin set. Where am I sending this thing?
<< <i>Wow, that's a mouthful. I think I will keep my silver set (when it arrives) in the mint packaging. >>
I MAY change my mind now, and have Ultra-Modern Crap™ graded for the first time. This would be the only way to "pedigree" the proof and BU coins to the 20th ann set, which might be kind of neat a couple decades from now. I'll ask for the packaging back as well, then I can re-assemble them if all my coins are graded "only" 68
Brian
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