For some reason, the photos of the scratched coin do not show up on this thread anymore.
Either mbcoin removed them, or something funky is happening with his server.
I'm guessing that since the coin in mbcoin's auction was really colorful, and that the scratched coin out of the holder was toned, but not colorful, that mbcoin probably dipped the coin after he cracked it out to see if the coin was salvageable (which is just what I would have done).
If mbcoin did indeed dip the coin, he probably should have mentioned that in the original post.
I don't understand the uproar about MOC scratching out his coin. He bought it back. It's his coin for crying out loud, he can do with it as he wishes.
Now don't get all soapy on me and start posting about how we should be saving these coins for posterity when 90% of the posts aroud here are about making money with these birds.
<< <i>but I am still astounded that anyone would intentionally deface this coin, post a photo of it and then by implication self-congratulate themselves. >>
You've hit the nail on the head. This self-congratulatory tone is what gets me. This guy just doesn't get it and probably never will.
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<< <i>Now don't get all soapy on me and start posting about how we should be saving these coins for posterity when 90% of the posts aroud here are about making money with these birds. >>
The good news is that it was a '79-S which is about as common as dirt.
But the problem isn't -- and never has been -- strictly about making money. That's neither criminal nor immoral. The problem concerns making money through misrepresentation, deception and outright fraud.
I guess the weird thing is that this thread seemed to be expecting a lot of pats on the back. Yes, the parties involved apparently agreed to do the right thing by getting this off the market, and that's a good thing. Had it ended there I would be among the first in line to do so. But it looks like they went beyond that for "dramatic effect" and willfully damaged a coin in the process. As has been said, yes, it probably wouldn't make 5 after a couple of dips remove some of the luster, but it still would have been a collectible coin, perhaps still a 63? I just saw no benefit in damaging it more than necessary to remove the rainbow-style toning. And if the dipping left it looking like puke, so be it. If it looked like puke it won't sucker anyone into paying $2,200 for it any time soon, would it?
<< <i>I don't understand the uproar about MOC scratching out his coin. He bought it back. It's his coin for crying out loud, he can do with it as he wishes.
Now don't get all soapy on me and start posting about how we should be saving these coins for posterity when 90% of the posts aroud here are about making money with these birds.
A true collector setting here at this 'puter. >>
He is certainly welcome to deface as many coins as he wants but neither MOC or MBCOIN should come on this board and expect any "atta boys" for doing what they did! Taking it off the market as an AT coin is one thing but intentionally defacing a collectible coin is something completely different! This certainly will not get anybody back into the fold very quickly.
Along those lines, since when does being an accepted member of this forum out weigh the personal responsibility of preserving the coins that we collect?
What was done was just plain wrong and done for the wrong reasons.
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I think the proper thing would've been to crack it out, and submit it to ANACS who would've most likely put the coin in an old holder with a net grade for questionable color.
JJ
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Lost in all this wailing and gnashing of teeth over the scratching of a common date bullion coin, (who friggin' cares?), is the fact that Craig is making a very real effort to get this crap off the market. He could easily have just ignored or tried to rationalize this - as others who've been caught have done - and hoped it all went away. Instead he's doing what he can to rectify the problems caused by his actions, and he's laying his own money on the line to do so.
I do have to wonder, though, why this auction had to get to the point where Craig needed to lay in a nuclear snipe to try and get this coin off the market. The seller was informed early on that the coin was doctored, and by whom it was done. Why didn't he simply end the auction and contact Craig?
<< <i>Defacing the coin offends me even more than the AT job - You should stay away from coins and these forums JMHO >>
------------- ------------- ---This just gets more stupid. Why not dip it and give it to a young numismatist or the Scouts for merit bag rewards? I did not think this saga could get even more repugnant---IT did
While I applaud the efforts to take the coin off the market, it does seem that in the final analysis the totality of what was done was extreme and really served no real purpose... I know... there are probably 100,000 that have been graded that look as nice as this... what is one less? I still think the beauty of the coin combined with what the coin represents deserves alittle more respect than that...
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Toning 6-8X
old rattler syndrome- 2X
Depends on who's playing....if there were 3 or more strong players...wouldn't be shocked to see it go 2x the last price....
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
Either mbcoin removed them, or something funky is happening with his server.
I'm guessing that since the coin in mbcoin's auction was really colorful, and that the scratched coin out of the holder was toned, but not colorful, that mbcoin probably dipped the coin after he cracked it out to see if the coin was salvageable (which is just what I would have done).
If mbcoin did indeed dip the coin, he probably should have mentioned that in the original post.
PS: I did save copies of the original photos.
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Now don't get all soapy on me and start posting about how we should be saving these coins for posterity when 90% of the posts aroud here are about making money with these birds.
A true collector setting here at this 'puter.
<< <i>but I am still astounded that anyone would intentionally deface this coin, post a photo of it and then by implication self-congratulate themselves. >>
You've hit the nail on the head. This self-congratulatory tone is what gets me. This guy just doesn't get it and probably never will.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
<< <i>Now don't get all soapy on me and start posting about how we should be saving these coins for posterity when 90% of the posts aroud here are about making money with these birds. >>
The good news is that it was a '79-S which is about as common as dirt.
But the problem isn't -- and never has been -- strictly about making money. That's neither criminal nor immoral. The problem concerns making money through misrepresentation, deception and outright fraud.
I guess the weird thing is that this thread seemed to be expecting a lot of pats on the back. Yes, the parties involved apparently agreed to do the right thing by getting this off the market, and that's a good thing. Had it ended there I would be among the first in line to do so. But it looks like they went beyond that for "dramatic effect" and willfully damaged a coin in the process. As has been said, yes, it probably wouldn't make 5 after a couple of dips remove some of the luster, but it still would have been a collectible coin, perhaps still a 63? I just saw no benefit in damaging it more than necessary to remove the rainbow-style toning. And if the dipping left it looking like puke, so be it. If it looked like puke it won't sucker anyone into paying $2,200 for it any time soon, would it?
<< <i>I still don't understand where the 2 grand came into play. Cripes, a 65 brings about $300 or more. where's 2 grand comin' from?
Tom >>
I think MOC slipped a decimal point -- the closing price on Ebay was something like $222.50.
<< <i>I think MOC slipped a decimal point -- the closing price on Ebay was something like $222.50. >>
It was $2,225.
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<< <i>I don't understand the uproar about MOC scratching out his coin. He bought it back. It's his coin for crying out loud, he can do with it as he wishes.
Now don't get all soapy on me and start posting about how we should be saving these coins for posterity when 90% of the posts aroud here are about making money with these birds.
A true collector setting here at this 'puter. >>
He is certainly welcome to deface as many coins as he wants but neither MOC or MBCOIN should come on this board and expect any "atta boys" for doing what they did! Taking it off the market as an AT coin is one thing but intentionally defacing a collectible coin is something completely different! This certainly will not get anybody back into the fold very quickly.
Along those lines, since when does being an accepted member of this forum out weigh the personal responsibility of preserving the coins that we collect?
What was done was just plain wrong and done for the wrong reasons.
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<< <i>Well it certainly does not appear that way. >>
Then again, in the long view, who cares?
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I do have to wonder, though, why this auction had to get to the point where Craig needed to lay in a nuclear snipe to try and get this coin off the market. The seller was informed early on that the coin was doctored, and by whom it was done. Why didn't he simply end the auction and contact Craig?
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>I did not scratch the coin or ask that it be defaced. I bought the coin simply because I knew that was the right thing to do.
I did ask Mike to crack the coin out of its holder and he told he was going to put magic marker on the coin not mark it up.
Unless I mis understood him. I was not happy to see the coin gouged but I am happy the coin is no longer on the market.
Magic marker I figured it would dip off. BTW I am not asking for nor do I deserve any so called pats. That was not my motive.
I simply trying to clean up a fricken mess that I caused. >>
Why would you want him to put magic marker on it if so it could be dipped off? Does he still have the coin? Am I missing something here?
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
Good question.
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<< <i>I simply trying to clean up a fricken mess that I caused. >>
-Just leave as you promised
<< <i>Defacing the coin offends me even more than the AT job - You should stay away from coins and these forums JMHO >>
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a young numismatist or the Scouts for merit bag rewards?
I did not think this saga could get even more repugnant---IT did
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
If it had been dipped and resubmitted, someone such as myself (income speaking) could get a really nice $200 coin at a cheaper price...
There was no reason on Earth to do what was done to that coin.
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
<< <i>If it had been dipped and resubmitted >>
The two sets of images seem to indicate that a dip was attempted and didn't work. Not all AT will dip off.
Russ, NCNE
Exactly.
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