Coin ID help please

ajaan

Country, denomination, date. Should be orientated correctly now.

newsman

Egypt, AH1277, year 9(H), 20 para

Ricke

it's 1277 - which indicates it's Turkey, first year of the Abdul Aziz reign, year nine, but I can't find an exact match in Krause.

What size is it?

Edit: I stand corrected. Good ID newsman.

ajaan

Size is about 31mm

What is the date in our dating system?

Ricke

How can you tell the denomination without the size?

newsman

<< <i>How can you tell the denomination without the size? >>



It's under the toughra, written in Arabic numbers above the Turkish letter "P" for "para"

Edited to add: The Hejri date is 1286 (1277 +9), which is about 1868 or 1869 AD.

Ricke

1869 I believe.

1277 is 1861, plus nine, 1861 being 1

ajaan

Thanks guys. I thought it looked old.

Ricke

<< <i>It's under the toughra, written in Arabic numbers above the Turkish letter "P" for "para" >>



Oh! Totally missed that. Thanks! It will make my job easier next time

newsman

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<< <i>It's under the toughra, written in Arabic numbers above the Turkish letter "P" for "para" >>



Oh! Totally missed that. Thanks! It will make my job easier next time >>



It would help if that side of the coin were rightside-up.

Ricke

Yeah! It's all Don's fault... if it were right side up, I would have seen it for sure!

ajaan

Please, tell me how it should be orientated.

Ricke

<< <i>Please, tell me how it should be orientated. >>



... no.

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>Please, tell me how it should be orientated. >>



The reverse is upside-down.

ajaan

Thanks Roman.

dcamp78

Ajaan,
I believe the picture on the right is the obverse and it's upside down.
The picture on the left is the reverse oriented correctly.

BTW-nice coin

SYRACUSIAN

Don, this is one of the most elegant designs that we were discussing with newsman the other day. Very simple, yes of course your tughra needs a 90 degree rotation,it was minted during the still called empire of Ottoman emperor Abdul Aziz. Both Egyptian and Turkish coins of that era fascinate me, especially the large coppers such as yours. I recently got a yr 4 10 para proof , you count the years starting from 1277 (1861) being 1.

TwoKopeiki

I always liked this tidbit :



<< <i>The toughra may have originated with the 14th century Sultan Murad I, who, while signing a treaty, dipped three fingers in an inkwell, and signed his name with a flourish. >>



Embedded in each toughra is the Sultan's name, his father's name, and his title.

And yes, it's upside down



I hope someone can read German, because I can't.

Ricke

holy cow... I never knew that. I always thought it was some sort of religious design.

Thanks Roman!

I have stolen you image, and saved it to file.

BigAlan

The "toughra" is a stylized thumbprint. The earlier sultans had a problem with reading and writing and signed their documents with a thumbprint.

lordmarcovan

<< <i>The earlier sultans had a problem with reading and writing and signed their documents with a thumbprint. >>

Geez, with Arabic script (let alone calligraphy) being what it is, no wonder!

I have an Ottoman gold coin on my Holey Gold Hat that I never bothered to attribute. Carried it to work to show to a Turkish coworker and to my boss, who's from Morocco. Hassan, my boss, pointed out that it had a date on it, which I never noticed before. Of course I would have seen the date and been able to figure that out, at least, had I paid much attention to it. I still don't know if it's Turkish or Egyptian. The Hejira date was something like 1203- early 1800s, as I recall.

I'll scan it one of these days.