Secret Numismatic Breakthrough, Derek2100, Manofcoins, Wantobe and More
Planchet
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Secret Numismatic Breakthrough, Derek2100, Manofcoins, Wantobe and More
Yesterday it came to me. Actually my mind started to think about why I collect coins after reading the great thread on "Why Do We Collect"
A day later I was in Jimmy Johns. In my change was a 1941 (P) Quarter. I just stared. Then I did what any good numismatist would do, I have the cashier another dollar and asked if I could have four quarters. I received the clad clunkers one would normally expect, but I did do a quick survey of the quarter till and saw no other silvers. It just occurred to me that I forgot to scan the other tills to see if there were any silver dimes or perhaps a half lying around.
Then it occurred to me yesterday, I was as happy finding that 1941 as I would have been if I had bought an S-VDB. My heavens, it is the thrill of the hunt that I like. Once I have bagged my prize I want to move on and look for another.
So it is with buying coins. It is the thrill of the hunt. Once I have the coin it gets relegated to my collection and only receives an occasional look. Some coins bring me pleasure for a long time and others I tire of easily.
Which leads me to "share the light" with my fellow numismatic travelers. Several incidents that have taken place recently on this board lead me to express a concern.
A famous attributor was recently bashed on this board after a series of posts claiming nonpayment for an ebay item. The members of this board were, by in large, quick to form the lynch mob and demand equal justice for this "famous" person. No serious collector grades a coin by simply looking at the obverse and never viewing the reverse. Why in the pass judgment when you only heard one side of the story? It seems when both sides came to light, things were much different than one might have originally thought. Seems like a private dispute became public and people jumped in to bash the famous dude. Not very becoming. The issue belonged in private, this board should not be used for taudry gossip. One of these days the bashers are going to attack the wrong person with the wrong facts and find themselves on the wrong side of a legal beagle.
Next, Derek2100 has has made numerous posts on this board and been bashed by many. Whether he is a "real" dealer or not does not matter. I like his posts and I will tell you, that we all need them. Because like being trapped on an elevator with a flatulent passenger, you learn to really appreciate the sweet smell of fresh air when those doors open. Thank you Derek2100 for helping me appreciate the fresh air.
Which leads me to the Wantabe dealer posts. Give it a rest. You are either a collector, investor, or a dealer. A collector collects primarily because he or she loves numismatics. Any profits are secondary. An investors' primary goal is investment gains, usually buy buying and holding coins for some length of time, although he or she may also appreciate the beauty of the coins acquired. A dealer is engaged in the routine buying and selling through relatively quick turnover of coins on a frequent basis with the goal of making money. There ain't no wantobe. Like pregnancy, either you are or your not. Some dealers are more successful then others, but all who set out to be a dealer, like it or not are dealers. By the way success has many definitions. There are those who in business seek a profit at all costs, ethics be darned. Others see a profit and have integrity and do business using the golden rule (the original biblical version). So drop this wantobe stuff. If you are secure in how you handle your own dealings you don't try to make yourself look better by knocking others.
Which leads me to Manofcoins. Don't know him, don't care to meet him. The board did a quick job of tracking down the issue. However, in my opinion not such a nice job on how you dealt with him. It is my opinion that selling coins you know are AT without full disclosure is wrong. I also think the "tar and feather" crowd got carried away. Keep things in perspective. Planes were not being shot out of the sky and people were not getting mowed down in the street. I would not care to buy coins from the guy. Nor would I tell him to leave the hobby or get off this board. Those that make a mistake, admit their mistake and make amends deserve consideration. To err is human to forgive is divine (this isn't my original idea, it has classic origins, but the quote sure fits)
Which leads me to tell those who believe that coin collecting is an OCD or "disease" they are wrong. I can stop collecting anytime I want. In fact I've done it dozens of times.
Well I am much happier now and I can go back to checking my change. Lest you laugh, I found a DDR #29 example of the Minnesota quarter. Perhaps they can change the state motto from Land of 10,000 lakes to Land of 10,000 varieties. And by the way, the same attributor who you guys were bashing a short while ago, charged me the princely sum of $5 (plus return postage) to check out my DDR, and provide me with a letter of attribution. He did this with a turn around time of about a week. Man, he must love this hobby, because he certainly isn't doing it for the bucks. This was my first and only dealing with this guy and I like him and he's OK in my book.
Speaking of books, I find myself liking reading about numismatics just as much as actually collecting. I have read Q. David Bowers "The Experts Guide Collecting and Investing in Rare Coins" four times. I have read most of his earlier works. He is not a numismatic writer, he is THE numismatic writer. He is to coins what Ian Fleming was to spy novels, the best. Bowers crams a lifetime of knowledge into the "Guide" and I would stack (again pardon the pun) his thoughts on a bad day against the insights of others on their best day.
And thank you to the US Mint. The striking quality of your numismatic coins is probably the best it has ever been. However, although I don't mind changing my cars oil and cleaning up any small spills in the process, why do I have to clean up the red oil I have found on my MS American Gold Buffalo? By the way, what do you use to remove the oil that will not hurt the coin? Also, do you guys need an EPA permit for shipping waste oil on your coins? Do I hear the roar of a class action?
Two quotes to leave you with, one from entertainer Jack Eigan, "Live every day like it's your last and one day you will be right" (by the way he proved himself right) and one from Paul Harvey, "And now for the rest of the story".
Good luck, good hunting, and bless all those honest dealers and collectors who put ethics above profits-
Your Friend- Planchet
PS: For those nit pickers, yes, I know coins have three sides, obverse, reverse, rim. I am a new guy to this forum and the excellent replies to my posts so far have been quite helpful. Sorry if this seems like a rant, but I feel much better now.
Yesterday it came to me. Actually my mind started to think about why I collect coins after reading the great thread on "Why Do We Collect"
A day later I was in Jimmy Johns. In my change was a 1941 (P) Quarter. I just stared. Then I did what any good numismatist would do, I have the cashier another dollar and asked if I could have four quarters. I received the clad clunkers one would normally expect, but I did do a quick survey of the quarter till and saw no other silvers. It just occurred to me that I forgot to scan the other tills to see if there were any silver dimes or perhaps a half lying around.
Then it occurred to me yesterday, I was as happy finding that 1941 as I would have been if I had bought an S-VDB. My heavens, it is the thrill of the hunt that I like. Once I have bagged my prize I want to move on and look for another.
So it is with buying coins. It is the thrill of the hunt. Once I have the coin it gets relegated to my collection and only receives an occasional look. Some coins bring me pleasure for a long time and others I tire of easily.
Which leads me to "share the light" with my fellow numismatic travelers. Several incidents that have taken place recently on this board lead me to express a concern.
A famous attributor was recently bashed on this board after a series of posts claiming nonpayment for an ebay item. The members of this board were, by in large, quick to form the lynch mob and demand equal justice for this "famous" person. No serious collector grades a coin by simply looking at the obverse and never viewing the reverse. Why in the pass judgment when you only heard one side of the story? It seems when both sides came to light, things were much different than one might have originally thought. Seems like a private dispute became public and people jumped in to bash the famous dude. Not very becoming. The issue belonged in private, this board should not be used for taudry gossip. One of these days the bashers are going to attack the wrong person with the wrong facts and find themselves on the wrong side of a legal beagle.
Next, Derek2100 has has made numerous posts on this board and been bashed by many. Whether he is a "real" dealer or not does not matter. I like his posts and I will tell you, that we all need them. Because like being trapped on an elevator with a flatulent passenger, you learn to really appreciate the sweet smell of fresh air when those doors open. Thank you Derek2100 for helping me appreciate the fresh air.
Which leads me to the Wantabe dealer posts. Give it a rest. You are either a collector, investor, or a dealer. A collector collects primarily because he or she loves numismatics. Any profits are secondary. An investors' primary goal is investment gains, usually buy buying and holding coins for some length of time, although he or she may also appreciate the beauty of the coins acquired. A dealer is engaged in the routine buying and selling through relatively quick turnover of coins on a frequent basis with the goal of making money. There ain't no wantobe. Like pregnancy, either you are or your not. Some dealers are more successful then others, but all who set out to be a dealer, like it or not are dealers. By the way success has many definitions. There are those who in business seek a profit at all costs, ethics be darned. Others see a profit and have integrity and do business using the golden rule (the original biblical version). So drop this wantobe stuff. If you are secure in how you handle your own dealings you don't try to make yourself look better by knocking others.
Which leads me to Manofcoins. Don't know him, don't care to meet him. The board did a quick job of tracking down the issue. However, in my opinion not such a nice job on how you dealt with him. It is my opinion that selling coins you know are AT without full disclosure is wrong. I also think the "tar and feather" crowd got carried away. Keep things in perspective. Planes were not being shot out of the sky and people were not getting mowed down in the street. I would not care to buy coins from the guy. Nor would I tell him to leave the hobby or get off this board. Those that make a mistake, admit their mistake and make amends deserve consideration. To err is human to forgive is divine (this isn't my original idea, it has classic origins, but the quote sure fits)
Which leads me to tell those who believe that coin collecting is an OCD or "disease" they are wrong. I can stop collecting anytime I want. In fact I've done it dozens of times.
Well I am much happier now and I can go back to checking my change. Lest you laugh, I found a DDR #29 example of the Minnesota quarter. Perhaps they can change the state motto from Land of 10,000 lakes to Land of 10,000 varieties. And by the way, the same attributor who you guys were bashing a short while ago, charged me the princely sum of $5 (plus return postage) to check out my DDR, and provide me with a letter of attribution. He did this with a turn around time of about a week. Man, he must love this hobby, because he certainly isn't doing it for the bucks. This was my first and only dealing with this guy and I like him and he's OK in my book.
Speaking of books, I find myself liking reading about numismatics just as much as actually collecting. I have read Q. David Bowers "The Experts Guide Collecting and Investing in Rare Coins" four times. I have read most of his earlier works. He is not a numismatic writer, he is THE numismatic writer. He is to coins what Ian Fleming was to spy novels, the best. Bowers crams a lifetime of knowledge into the "Guide" and I would stack (again pardon the pun) his thoughts on a bad day against the insights of others on their best day.
And thank you to the US Mint. The striking quality of your numismatic coins is probably the best it has ever been. However, although I don't mind changing my cars oil and cleaning up any small spills in the process, why do I have to clean up the red oil I have found on my MS American Gold Buffalo? By the way, what do you use to remove the oil that will not hurt the coin? Also, do you guys need an EPA permit for shipping waste oil on your coins? Do I hear the roar of a class action?
Two quotes to leave you with, one from entertainer Jack Eigan, "Live every day like it's your last and one day you will be right" (by the way he proved himself right) and one from Paul Harvey, "And now for the rest of the story".
Good luck, good hunting, and bless all those honest dealers and collectors who put ethics above profits-
Your Friend- Planchet
PS: For those nit pickers, yes, I know coins have three sides, obverse, reverse, rim. I am a new guy to this forum and the excellent replies to my posts so far have been quite helpful. Sorry if this seems like a rant, but I feel much better now.
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<< <i>Secret Numismatic Breakthrough, Derek2100, Manofcoins, Wantobe and More
Yesterday it came to me. Actually my mind started to think about why I collect coins after reading the great thread on "Why Do We Collect"
A day later I was in Jimmy Johns. In my change was a 1941 (P) Quarter. I just stared. Then I did what any good numismatist would do, I have the cashier another dollar and asked if I could have four quarters. I received the clad clunkers one would normally expect, but I did do a quick survey of the quarter till and saw no other silvers. It just occurred to me that I forgot to scan the other tills to see if there were any silver dimes or perhaps a half lying around.
Then it occurred to me yesterday, I was as happy finding that 1941 as I would have been if I had bought an S-VDB. My heavens, it is the thrill of the hunt that I like. Once I have bagged my prize I want to move on and look for another.
So it is with buying coins. It is the thrill of the hunt. Once I have the coin it gets relegated to my collection and only receives an occasional look. Some coins bring me pleasure for a long time and others I tire of easily.
Which leads me to "share the light" with my fellow numismatic travelers. Several incidents that have taken place recently on this board lead me to express a concern.
A famous attributor was recently bashed on this board after a series of posts claiming nonpayment for an ebay item. The members of this board were, by in large, quick to form the lynch mob and demand equal justice for this "famous" person. No serious collector grades a coin by simply looking at the obverse and never viewing the reverse. Why in the pass judgment when you only heard one side of the story? It seems when both sides came to light, things were much different than one might have originally thought. Seems like a private dispute became public and people jumped in to bash the famous dude. Not very becoming. The issue belonged in private, this board should not be used for taudry gossip. One of these days the bashers are going to attack the wrong person with the wrong facts and find themselves on the wrong side of a legal beagle.
Next, Derek2100 has has made numerous posts on this board and been bashed by many. Whether he is a "real" dealer or not does not matter. I like his posts and I will tell you, that we all need them. Because like being trapped on an elevator with a flatulent passenger, you learn to really appreciate the sweet smell of fresh air when those doors open. Thank you Derek2100 for helping me appreciate the fresh air.
Which leads me to the Wantabe dealer posts. Give it a rest. You are either a collector, investor, or a dealer. A collector collects primarily because he or she loves numismatics. Any profits are secondary. An investors' primary goal is investment gains, usually buy buying and holding coins for some length of time, although he or she may also appreciate the beauty of the coins acquired. A dealer is engaged in the routine buying and selling through relatively quick turnover of coins on a frequent basis with the goal of making money. There ain't no wantobe. Like pregnancy, either you are or your not. Some dealers are more successful then others, but all who set out to be a dealer, like it or not are dealers. By the way success has many definitions. There are those who in business seek a profit at all costs, ethics be darned. Others see a profit and have integrity and do business using the golden rule (the original biblical version). So drop this wantobe stuff. If you are secure in how you handle your own dealings you don't try to make yourself look better by knocking others.
Which leads me to Manofcoins. Don't know him, don't care to meet him. The board did a quick job of tracking down the issue. However, in my opinion not such a nice job on how you dealt with him. It is my opinion that selling coins you know are AT without full disclosure is wrong. I also think the "tar and feather" crowd got carried away. Keep things in perspective. Planes were not being shot out of the sky and people were not getting mowed down in the street. I would not care to buy coins from the guy. Nor would I tell him to leave the hobby or get off this board. Those that make a mistake, admit their mistake and make amends deserve consideration. To err is human to forgive is divine (this isn't my original idea, it has classic origins, but the quote sure fits)
Which leads me to tell those who believe that coin collecting is an OCD or "disease" they are wrong. I can stop collecting anytime I want. In fact I've done it dozens of times.
Well I am much happier now and I can go back to checking my change. Lest you laugh, I found a DDR #29 example of the Minnesota quarter. Perhaps they can change the state motto from Land of 10,000 lakes to Land of 10,000 varieties. And by the way, the same attributor who you guys were bashing a short while ago, charged me the princely sum of $5 (plus return postage) to check out my DDR, and provide me with a letter of attribution. He did this with a turn around time of about a week. Man, he must love this hobby, because he certainly isn't doing it for the bucks. This was my first and only dealing with this guy and I like him and he's OK in my book.
Speaking of books, I find myself liking reading about numismatics just as much as actually collecting. I have read Q. David Bowers "The Experts Guide Collecting and Investing in Rare Coins" four times. I have read most of his earlier works. He is not a numismatic writer, he is THE numismatic writer. He is to coins what Ian Fleming was to spy novels, the best. Bowers crams a lifetime of knowledge into the "Guide" and I would stack (again pardon the pun) his thoughts on a bad day against the insights of others on their best day.
And thank you to the US Mint. The striking quality of your numismatic coins is probably the best it has ever been. However, although I don't mind changing my cars oil and cleaning up any small spills in the process, why do I have to clean up the red oil I have found on my MS American Gold Buffalo? By the way, what do you use to remove the oil that will not hurt the coin? Also, do you guys need an EPA permit for shipping waste oil on your coins? Do I hear the roar of a class action?
Two quotes to leave you with, one from entertainer Jack Eigan, "Live every day like it's your last and one day you will be right" (by the way he proved himself right) and one from Paul Harvey, "And now for the rest of the story".
Good luck, good hunting, and bless all those honest dealers and collectors who put ethics above profits-
Your Friend- Planchet
PS: For those nit pickers, yes, I know coins have three sides, obverse, reverse, rim. I am a new guy to this forum and the excellent replies to my posts so far have been quite helpful. Sorry if this seems like a rant, but I feel much better now. >>
Thanks for your well thought out post. I do agree that Derek2100 is mere flatulance.
As far as mob mentality, well, he!!, it IS a mob. You rither get used to it and personally rise above it, join it, or leave. Nice thing is that you get to choose.
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<< <i>Which leads me to tell those who believe that coin collecting is an OCD or "disease" they are wrong. I can stop collecting anytime I want. In fact I've done it dozens of times. >>
Sounds like what many a drinker says...
<< <i>Because like being trapped on an elevator with a flatulent passenger, you learn to really appreciate the sweet smell of fresh air when those doors open. Thank you Derek2100 for helping me appreciate the fresh air. >>
This is priceless!
Whether he is a dealer and/or a troll or not, I think it's a real shame if you need someone like him to "appreciate the fresh air."
The good stuff was here first, and it never really left.
-Amanda
I'm a YN working on a type set!
My Buffalo Nickel Website Home of the Quirky Buffaloes Collection!
Proud member of the CUFYNA
<< <i>Why do you need a grumpy guy to help you appreciate the good stuff this board has to offer?
The good stuff was here first, and it never really left.
-Amanda >>
Joe.
It's always been the thrill of the hunt. Everyone is just hunting something different. For some it's coins and for others it might be experiences, wealth, or power. Our choices are pre-programmed into us but can be affected by opportunity or knowledge.
but then i thought about it, now i'm DEpressed . . . .
K S
Planchet, please post more often. I like your writing style.
Secondly there is a group who love to jump on others by calling them a mob, this group is just another mob with perhaps another agenda, so maybe you are part of the mob that likes to jump on mobs, just another gang with a different name. This isn't meant to be personal but just food for thought.
Of course its always good to hear the other side of the story, but sometimes the other side turns out to be a lie as was the case in moc's original explanation. As for the drama as to what is important in life, I didn't see anyone suggesting much more dramatic then he stay out of the coin world which doesn't compare in punishment or importance to "life's" great issues. He brought his own pain upon himself and did in the course of the threads even gain some support. It was a mixed bag, which is usually what you get here as "the so called mobs" square off.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>What's a "Wantobe"?
Russ, NCNE >>
A wannabe Wannabe!
<< <i>What's a "Wantobe"?
Russ, NCNE >>
Someone that sells their bust halves because they "want to be" able to invest somewhere else?
<< <i>What's a "Wantobe"?
Russ, NCNE >>
I think they make markets in Canadian coins.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Sometimes we lynch em
and swing em from a high tree.
Camelot
<< <i>Planchet, please post more often. I like your writing style. >>
Same here. Good reads!
<< <i>We don't always tar and feather.
Sometimes we lynch em
and swing em from a high tree. >>
I'll have you know that Trees don't get high--------------------BigE
<< <i>Which leads me to tell those who believe that coin collecting is an OCD or "disease" they are wrong. I can stop collecting anytime I want. In fact I've done it dozens of times. >>
As to derek, if someone wanted to drive home what the prototypical wannabe was to those who still don't "get it"
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i> Our choices are pre-programmed into us but can be affected by opportunity or knowledge. >>
"Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice."
-William Jennings Bryan
<< <i><<Next, Derek2100 has has made numerous posts on this board and been bashed by many. Whether he is a "real" dealer or not does not matter. I like his posts and I will tell you, that we all need them. Because like being trapped on an elevator with a flatulent passenger, you learn to really appreciate the sweet smell of fresh air when those doors open. Thank you Derek2100 for helping me appreciate the fresh air.>>
Whether he is a dealer and/or a troll or not, I think it's a real shame if you need someone like him to "appreciate the fresh air." >>
I was just about to say, you think it's good that there are lowlifes around so when we are in the presence of good people we'll appreciate them more?
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
<< <i>Which leads me to tell those who believe that coin collecting is an OCD or "disease" they are wrong. I can stop collecting anytime I want. In fact I've done it dozens of times. >>
I can stop anytime as well.
Really, I can.
Really.
<< <i>
"Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice."
-William Jennings Bryan >>
Perhaps you're right that the choice of words was unfortunate; I should have said most collectors and pres-
idents are born and not made.
Thank you.
What upsets me the most about this board is that it seems only top of the line collectors or dealers get any attention. One who collects circulated wheaties or Kennedy's for that matter get blown off like some kind of joke. I collect, enjoy and post what I like, I'm not asking anyone to collect "shit" but it always seems like one gets snubbed because of what they do collect.
Just my two cents.
<< <i>What upsets me the most about this board is that it seems only top of the line collectors or dealers get any attention. One who collects circulated wheaties or Kennedy's for that matter get blown off like some kind of joke. >>
i don't get that impression at all. seems like lo-grade & inexpensive coins are often posted around here, w/ plenty of +++ feedback
K S
<< <i>One who collects circulated wheaties or Kennedy's for that matter get blown off like some kind of joke. >>
I get crap all the time about Kennedys. Screw 'em.
Russ, NCNE