Help with Rotated Die Value

segoja

Picked up (or rather, being offered) a 1878-CC in AG/G condition with dies rotated about 90 degrees.

Basal value in VG is $75, guess a AG/G is $50, so what's a rotated reverse worth.

Overall the coin is just plain worn, no other problems.

Thanks!

Coxe

Yes, the 90-degree rotated VAM-5 is a very nice one to find. Furthermore, if it is in that condition and without problems (PCGS slabbable), it is a really great pick up. I would pay multiples of the prices you have given for such a coin. If you don't want it, let me know where it is and I'll make a bid for it.

RotatedRainbows

<< <i>Picked up (or rather, being offered) a 1878-CC in AG/G condition with dies rotated about 90 degrees.

Basal value in VG is $75, guess a AG/G is $50, so what's a rotated reverse worth.

Overall the coin is just plain worn, no other problems.

Thanks! >>



Most likely it is not a full 90°, 75°-80° is what most of them are and 60° is seen a lot as well. Since it is a Morgan it would carry a higher premium then most other coins with less then 90° rotation, Gold and State Quarters being the other exceptions.

RichieURich

There's a guy on eBay who has some 355 degree rotated die large cents LOL!

dcarr

I recently sold an EF 1921-D Morgan on eBay with the reverse rotated 45 degrees.
The winning bid was about $155

Coxe

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<< <i>Picked up (or rather, being offered) a 1878-CC in AG/G condition with dies rotated about 90 degrees.

Basal value in VG is $75, guess a AG/G is $50, so what's a rotated reverse worth.

Overall the coin is just plain worn, no other problems.

Thanks! >>



Most likely it is not a full 90°, 75°-80° is what most of them are and 60° is seen a lot as well. Since it is a Morgan it would carry a higher premium then most other coins with less then 90° rotation, Gold and State Quarters being the other exceptions. >>



For that date/variety, 90 degrees is known, though uncommonly encountered. There are a good half dozen or so dates among Morgans where extreme rotations are known. These are highly sought as you know, but not impossible. The 1888-O VAM-9 Top-100 (doubled arrows) occasionally, but rarely, can be found with nearly a 180 degree die rotation. That is a monster find.

segoja

Thanks guys....may just drop it on E-Bay.

I did go ahead and buy the coin.

I can't get the pics small enough to post here, but I did go ahead and post on my website.



Link to 78-CC W/ Rotated Reverse

Outhaul

I really like the look of this coin!

RotatedRainbows

Piece is worn but sure looks nice for the grade, as expected I would say it is rotated 75° as that is what most of them I see turns out to be when listed as around 90°. I used to have one (VF) at the same rotation but sold it 4 or 5 years ago. You would probably do pretty good on Ebay with it as rotated Morgans usually fetch a good price.

I had two of the 1888-O Morgans that I purchased from Leroy Van Allen many years ago, I still have one the mint state coin rotated 118° and sold an AU example that was rotated 108° a few years ago. The farthest rotation I have ever seen or heard of for that date is 175°

Coxe

About 80 degrees, but that is still quite nice. Amazing to find a fingerprint on such a worn coin. It sure has character. An affordable entry into extremely rotated die Morgans. AG3.

RotatedRainbows

After checking to make sure the coin is properly aligned in the holder the actual rotation on that piece is only 70 degrees clockwise but I doubt if it changes the value any.

Coxe

<< <i>I had two of the 1888-O Morgans that I purchased from Leroy Van Allen many years ago, I still have one the mint state coin rotated 118° and sold an AU example that was rotated 108° a few years ago. The farthest rotation I have ever seen or heard of for that date is 175° >>



That 175 degree one would be the VAM-9 (Top-100 coin). My VAM-9 is not rotated at all. But it is a first generation DMPL (MS66DMPL is the grade), indicating that the rotation occurred after the pair was in production. Alternatively, there might be different obverses used with the C3e reverse. Leroy doesn't differentiate them a lot of the time if they are within what he considers a normal tolerance of each other and also there are cases where a difference has not yet been noted.

RotatedRainbows

The current piece I have rotated 118° and graded MS61 is a Vam 9.