Have not seen Edition 2, but is one of the coins the Proof 1867 w/Rays Shield Nickel? Just a guess as I thought a gem cameo grade coin may have sold "cheap" at show this week in the Heritage sale at $60k plus the juice.
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Honestly, great question tdn - but as the "average" collector, honestly I wouldn't notice grand price swings in any of the ultra-rarities described in the book - not being in a position to afford any of them. In fact, I've only flipped through the book and have a vague understanding of coins featured.
If I were to hazard a guess tho - how about the strawberry leaf 1793 cent? It's got various factors working against it - too few are extant (4?) and all are quite worn - once upon a time it might have been the "star" of a large cent collection that also had a gem chain and head of 1793 - but nowadays I'd say a gem chain cent (especially "the" coin) would have more appeal and more interest. Not to say that the strawberry leaf will ever become available to the "average" collector, but I think it mostly appeals to completionists that don't really exist in the same numbers these days?
Don't attack me though hard-core variety collectors! I'm just not into that, but I do admit to the appeal of finding $$$$$$ hidden in the guise of a "normal" old coin for a relative pittance in some dealer's case. I wouldn't mind being the finder and seller of such - but someone else can be the "end user", in my eyes.
<< <i>Have not seen Edition 2, but is one of the coins the Proof 1867 w/Rays Shield Nickel? Just a guess as I thought a gem cameo grade coin may have sold "cheap" at show this week in the Heritage sale at $60k plus the juice.
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That's a very good guess as it's one of the few coins that did not increase in value between editions. But it's not one of the two that actually dropped in value.
I don't know about editions 1 and 2, but after the last month or so, I could imagine the price of any of these were down somewhat: 1909-s VDB 1c and 1916 SLQ. Possibly even the 1895 and 1893-s dollars. Though I'm sure the key date collectors can chime in on this. Many of these coins probably haven't sold since the elapsed time between editions. That eliminates over half of them.
The 1851-0 did get auctioned a year or two ago. Did it's PR happen to fall a tad short of the projection? I vaguely recall that the price was not as high as some thought it would fetch? I would venture there is one other coin here that TDN has been tracking for his own personal edification. Another seated dollar or trade dollar?
C'mon, let's get this figured out. I've been Googling for a while, but don't know the other one. If we can get it, we should be able to find what they have in common.
That article says the dollar is considered a mule, so is the other coin perhaps a mule also?
-Amanda >>
It was struck in Philadelphia over an existing New Orleans dollar instead of a planchett, but they didn't know that at first. That removed some of the mystique.
That article says the dollar is considered a mule, so is the other coin perhaps a mule also?
-Amanda >>
It was struck in Philadelphia over an existing New Orleans dollar instead of a planchett, but they didn't know that at first. That removed some of the mystique. >>
Oh, okay. I can see how that would remove mystique.
Was it the 1866 "No Motto" Dollar??? I HAVE both books, but the second edition is at my office, so I could have cheated tomorrow, guessing and playing fair today. I remember the 1851-O as one for sure before I read this. The only thing in common is silver dollars if I am correct - but I doubt the answer of similarity is that easy!!!
I swear I knew this at the top of my head. If I am not correct, I am stumped.
Was it the 1866 "No Motto" Dollar??? I HAVE both books, but the second edition is at my office, so I could have cheated tomorrow, guessing today. I remember the 1851-O as one for sure before I read this. The only thing in common is silver dollars if I am correct - but I doubt the answer of similarity is that easy!!! >>
Yes, the 1866 No Motto and the 1851-O seated dollars. Sunnywood would get the commonality for sure..... but since he's not around:
They were both seated dollars [probably] prepared 'after hours' by the 'midnight minters' in order to be sold to collectors. The original 1851's were quite rare and in demand, so restrikes were made, one of which apparently was on an 'O' mint dollar.
The reason I knew this immediately: The "sellable" 1866 No Motto was for sale a couple years back, didn't make reserve first auction, then ANR sold it for 1.2 Million and change, and I remember looking at the 2nd edition thinking, "Garrett and Guth should have waited a few months and they would have printed the 1866 having gone UP in value"!!!
There are a lot of things in that book that don't belong in it, considering it is supposted to be the 100 greatest US COINS and last I knew at least a quarter of them are patterns, fantasies, or other non-coins.
<< <i>There are a lot of things in that book that don't belong in it, considering it is supposted to be the 100 greatest US COINS and last I knew at least a quarter of them are patterns, fantasies, or other non-coins. >>
Is a pattern considered to be a coin or not? I've always wondered about this.
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<< <i>There are a lot of things in that book that don't belong in it, considering it is supposted to be the 100 greatest US COINS and last I knew at least a quarter of them are patterns, fantasies, or other non-coins. >>
Actually, I can accept patterns, as they were at least struck with authorization and sometimes given out to dignitaries and Congressmen.
Fantasy pieces like the 1913 Liberty nickel, on the other hand, is another story.
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If I were to hazard a guess tho - how about the strawberry leaf 1793 cent? It's got various factors working against it - too few are extant (4?) and all are quite worn - once upon a time it might have been the "star" of a large cent collection that also had a gem chain and head of 1793 - but nowadays I'd say a gem chain cent (especially "the" coin) would have more appeal and more interest. Not to say that the strawberry leaf will ever become available to the "average" collector, but I think it mostly appeals to completionists that don't really exist in the same numbers these days?
Don't attack me though hard-core variety collectors! I'm just not into that, but I do admit to the appeal of finding $$$$$$ hidden in the guise of a "normal" old coin for a relative pittance in some dealer's case. I wouldn't mind being the finder and seller of such - but someone else can be the "end user", in my eyes.
<< <i>Have not seen Edition 2, but is one of the coins the Proof 1867 w/Rays Shield Nickel? Just a guess as I thought a gem cameo grade coin may have sold "cheap" at show this week in the Heritage sale at $60k plus the juice.
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That's a very good guess as it's one of the few coins that did not increase in value between editions. But it's not one of the two that actually dropped in value.
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I could imagine the price of any of these were down somewhat: 1909-s VDB 1c and 1916 SLQ. Possibly even the 1895 and 1893-s dollars. Though I'm sure the key date collectors can chime in on this.
Many of these coins probably haven't sold since the elapsed time between editions. That eliminates over half of them.
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<< <i>One is the 1851-O seated liberty dollar. >>
ding ding ding! Now what's the other and what do they have in common with each other?
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That article says the dollar is considered a mule, so is the other coin perhaps a mule also?
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<< <i>1851-O
That article says the dollar is considered a mule, so is the other coin perhaps a mule also?
-Amanda >>
IMO, particularly in light of new information, that article is in error.
<< <i>1851-O
That article says the dollar is considered a mule, so is the other coin perhaps a mule also?
-Amanda >>
It was struck in Philadelphia over an existing New Orleans dollar instead of a planchett, but they didn't know that at first. That removed some of the mystique.
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<< <i>1851-O
That article says the dollar is considered a mule, so is the other coin perhaps a mule also?
-Amanda >>
It was struck in Philadelphia over an existing New Orleans dollar instead of a planchett, but they didn't know that at first. That removed some of the mystique. >>
Oh, okay. I can see how that would remove mystique.
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Was it the 1866 "No Motto" Dollar??? I HAVE both books, but the second edition is at my office, so I could have cheated tomorrow, guessing and playing fair today. I remember the 1851-O as one for sure before I read this. The only thing in common is silver dollars if I am correct - but I doubt the answer of similarity is that easy!!!
I swear I knew this at the top of my head. If I am not correct, I am stumped.
<< <i>Bruce:
Was it the 1866 "No Motto" Dollar??? I HAVE both books, but the second edition is at my office, so I could have cheated tomorrow, guessing today. I remember the 1851-O as one for sure before I read this. The only thing in common is silver dollars if I am correct - but I doubt the answer of similarity is that easy!!! >>
Yes, the 1866 No Motto and the 1851-O seated dollars. Sunnywood would get the commonality for sure..... but since he's not around:
They were both seated dollars [probably] prepared 'after hours' by the 'midnight minters' in order to be sold to collectors. The original 1851's were quite rare and in demand, so restrikes were made, one of which apparently was on an 'O' mint dollar.
Why did the 1866 go down in price?
<< <i>I'm glad this has finally been answered.
Why did the 1866 go down in price? >>
The demand comes and goes for them. They aren't really collected as part of the seated dollar series, but rather are individual 'trophy coins'.
The 51-"O" has no right being in that book.
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<< <i>The 66 could go up or down and it wouldn't bother me.
The 51-"O" has no right being in that book. >>
Nor the Redbook, eh?
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<< <i>There are a lot of things in that book that don't belong in it, considering it is supposted to be the 100 greatest US COINS and last I knew at least a quarter of them are patterns, fantasies, or other non-coins. >>
Is a pattern considered to be a coin or not? I've always wondered about this.
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<< <i>There are a lot of things in that book that don't belong in it, considering it is supposted to be the 100 greatest US COINS and last I knew at least a quarter of them are patterns, fantasies, or other non-coins. >>
Actually, I can accept patterns, as they were at least struck with authorization and sometimes given out to dignitaries and Congressmen.
Fantasy pieces like the 1913 Liberty nickel, on the other hand, is another story.