Maria Theresa Thaler: Fake?

grayroads

Questions: Austria Maria Theresa Thaler, KM 55, weight: 28.3 gm., should weigh 28. 07; problem? Also, note reverse is rotated about 20 degrees off the obverse. Problem? 45mm, ok? Purchased in China. Any comments, insights, etc. would be most helpful. Can you tell from the image as to what mint produced it? - assuming that it isn't fake. Bob

theboz11

There have been many restrikes of that particular coin, making it not very worthwhile to fake. Coming from china makes it ?????.

Ricke

the reverse devices are way off, and the bust sits too high.

98% sure it ain't real.

danglen

<< <i> 98% sure it ain't real. >>



I'll throw in the other 2 percent. It's 100 percent fake.

grayroads

Thanks to one and all. When I purchased a large handful of coins recently in China, I stated to my fellow travelers at the time, that I'd be lucky if even one was legit. Well, the verdict is now in and ALL are fake! What surprised me was that a minor silver was ounterfeited too. I weighed it when I arrived home and it was 13% too light. Again thanks for all the help; you are the best! Bob

satootoko

<< <i>I stated to my fellow travelers at the time, that I'd be lucky if even one was legit. >>

Bob, I have it on reliable authority that there are more than a dozen genuine silver coins in China.

TwoKopeiki

It's a bad copy of a $7-dollar restrike.

All of 1780 M.T. Thalers are restrikes.

Roman.

TheKidCollector1991

Whats the point, Theres very little in value for the restrikes, The end up spending more faking the coins than the profit theyre going to make.

TKC!

Ricke

the cost of manufacturing these type of counterfeits are not that expensive. The metal used is generally worthless, too.

Here you would have someone who can take junk metal, put it into coin form, and hope that someone will purchase the junk metal as silver, because coins carry a presumed authority of content. A little easier than trying to pass a bunch of raw junk metal and hope someone believes it's raw silver.

Granted that the margins are not that high individually, but since counterfeiting is not regulated in China, it can be done in very large quantities.

cacheman

<< <i>Whats the point, Theres very little in value for the restrikes, The end up spending more faking the coins than the profit theyre going to make.

TKC! >>



No kidding...hell, they may as well counterfeit Churchill crowns while they're at it....

Dentuck

Re: counterfeiting Churchill crowns

LOL!

Strangely, they have been counterfeiting common British crowns for some time... and doing a bad job at it, to boot. One frequently seen fake is the infamous "1877" Jubilee crown of Queen Elizabeth II! Not to mention the "1906" Royal Wedding crown of St. Helena and Ascension (featuring Andrew and Fergie).

I suppose they can counter-claim that these aren't glaring-error "fakes," but, rather, homages... appreciations... a JSG Boggs-like attempt at modern art in a numismatic vein.