Just a note of fact: There are still only two PSA 10 Tiger Woods 1997 Masters Rc's and I believe the asking price is about $40,000 on the one that is currently "for sale." There have to be documented sales in order to have "price depreciation." It is a more similar card to the OPC Gretzky PSA 10 than any of the others mentioned, in terms on condition sensitivity, All Time Great player, and long term interest.
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I was at that National a couple years ago that a 1986 Fleer Jordan BGS 9.5 was graded. It was when PSA 10's were on fire and it was the first BGS 9.5. Word of it got around the room quick. A couple weeks later I saw it sold on ebay for $69,000. I'm not sure what it's worth now but somebody lost a ton.
As for Terrell Davis, that's a good example of modern collectors being completely different than vintage collectors. I would compare him a lot to Earl Campbell, a short but impressive career. Campbell cards are still sought after by true collectors and Davis cards are worthless. The Davis prices were driven solely by spectulation on profit potential in an era of booming stock markets. Nobody really gave a crap about him as a fan they way older collectors did with their players.
Here an auction for the above-mentioned 1996 SI For Kids Tiger Woods BGS 9.5 with a Buy-It-Now price of $8,850.00. Though unlikely, let's assume some does purchase the card for the BIN price. In which case (and referencing the PSA 10), that's a $116,150.00 loss, e.g. 93% loss in value.
<< <i>I think 1993 Finest refractors as a whole should get special consideration since they're probably the only set that took a gigantic dump in prices not once, but twice! >>
I don't know. I've been able to do just fine with them...how often can you sell Puckett PSA 10s for $4,250, $3,000, and $1,500? I recently sold a raw Shane Mack for $560, raw Griffey for over $700, and a PSA 9 Reynolds for $300. I've got a Jimmy Key 9 that will bring $500...
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But what about the non Shane Macks and Jimmy Keys (ie, cards not dumped on the market by the thousands from the wholesalers)?
PSA 9s across the board have plummetted faster than Rosie O'donnell leaping off the Empire State Building! >>
You can be an idiot with ANY set of cards. Buy a PSA 10 Pujols RC on eBay and see how long it takes to make 50% on the card....
I've been able to make an absurd amount of money by buying low and selling high, only 1993 Refractors. Believe me, there are FAR better examples of sets with poor appreciation than the 1993 Refractors --- AND YOU KNOW THIS, MAN!!! I could give numerous other examples, but won't waste my or your time.
It is wholly unfair to compare PSA values of cards of ANY set, save for the vintage "big 3." As populations climb, values will necessarily go down. The star cards I've been selling have increased in value 25-75% on the whole (raw values for neatness) than from 2 years ago when I started buying...
I clicked on this thread for the sole purpose of responding to your expected trashing of 1993 Refractors.
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You think you're the only person on earth that's made money off 1993 Finest refractors? I was able to make quite a bit myself dumping "low pop" PSA 9s for $500 a piece, but that doesn't mean 1993 refractors hasn't experienced two significant drops in value the past 13 years.
I don't know much about PSA 10 Pujolses or 1986 Topps Traded Barry Bonds in PSA 10s, but I DO KNOW 1993 Finest refractors. I've been following them since they first came out and saw them skyrocket in value in the mid-1990s (Hi Bob Nappe), then crash. I was actively buying and selling them then and got out before it all went kaput. I then saw their rebirth due to the Set Registry, when Doug Jones PSA 9s sold for $500, Jeff Bagwells sold for $600, Juan Gonzalez sold for $700, Nolan Ryan sold for $2,400, etc...
Do I have to tell you what those same PSA 9s are going for today?
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You're probably just jealous you don't have my clientele. You must be the most conspicuous bragger on these boards, with NOTHING to back it up!!! You will reply and say you won't have to, and I will reply with "then why brag about all the $$$ you've made in the first place?"
And I won't even waste my time pointing out your egregious flawed logic in your most recent post. In any case, just sit back and watch, and enjoy the show...
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And I won't even waste my time pointing out your egregious flawed logic in your most recent post. In any case, just sit back and watch, and enjoy the show...
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Clientele??
Talk about a legend in his own mind!
The sad thing is, you know I'm 100% right on the refractors. You're just too heavily invested in the set to admit it. That's okay though. All anyone has to do is take a look on Ebay (where your Mastro like presence demolishes the ref market? tee hee) and see the results for themselves.
Wholesalers + Inconsistent PSA grading + plummeting values = bad for the set
Do yourself a favor, lightweight, and quit while you're behind. Try talking smack to someone who is new to the board instead of fighting a fight you can't win.
By the way, I'd like to say I'm disappointed you didn't try your usual "passive aggressive" rebuttal.
ok i'll trade my masters tiger, which would grade an 8 for any preferated 96 tiger si. I've owned only one si tiger. and over 30 masters. My point is the si is a better card and some fool overpaid. It's not like it stood there on top it was a WOW TOUGH CARD...OHHH BUY! The master Tiger is a dime a dozen. Also I believe (correct me if wrong) theres only 2 "foil" tigers 10's which were actually released a year later , although there stated to be 97. I worked in a donald ross pro shop and remember them coming out. I took em all. I love the masters oversized card and pic alot more though. but...whatever...I personally couldn't believe it was a Target card. How many cards have you bought pop up in a holder at wal-mart, target ect ect. I bet a master tiger NONE.
Jose Canseco 100 count of donruss rc's wanted for 100 bucks.
Nonetheless, an extremely condition sensitive card that is produced in large quantities is still a major card in PSA 10. See Jeter and Arod SP RC's. And there are at least a dozen PSA 10's of those. The major card market is always about supply and demand. When there are only two of something in PSA 10, and it is the most famous and best athlete in the world pictured in his first licensed product- it is a major card!
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or English for that matter Hurty,
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or English for that matter Hurty,
Heh, does anyone else find it ironic he's trying to make fun of my grammar when his signature is grammatically incorrect?
If you're going to play the role of grammar nazi, you might want to be a little more careful yourself.
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PSA 9s across the board have plummetted faster than Rosie O'donnell leaping off the Empire State Building! >>
Your high school physics teacher would NOT be pleased.
Rosie falls at the same speed as you or anyone else...
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PSA 9s across the board have plummetted faster than Rosie O'donnell leaping off the Empire State Building! >>
Your high school physics teacher would NOT be pleased.
Rosie falls at the same speed as you or anyone else...
Nitpicker.... the thought of Rosie plummeting to her death still makes a great visual.
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PSA 9s across the board have plummetted faster than Rosie O'donnell leaping off the Empire State Building! >>
Your high school physics teacher would NOT be pleased.
Rosie falls at the same speed as you or anyone else...
Nitpicker.... the thought of Rosie plummeting to her death still makes a great visual.
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PSA 9s across the board have plummetted faster than Rosie O'donnell leaping off the Empire State Building! >>
Your high school physics teacher would NOT be pleased.
Rosie falls at the same speed as you or anyone else...
I'm not sure I agree with that. I think Rosie has a higher drag coefficient.
As for Terrell Davis, that's a good example of modern collectors being completely different than vintage collectors. I would compare him a lot to Earl Campbell, a short but impressive career. Campbell cards are still sought after by true collectors and Davis cards are worthless. The Davis prices were driven solely by spectulation on profit potential in an era of booming stock markets. Nobody really gave a crap about him as a fan they way older collectors did with their players.
unlikely, let's assume some does purchase the card for the BIN price. In which case (and referencing the PSA 10), that's a $116,150.00
loss, e.g. 93% loss in value.
Tiger Woods Cards
Of course, we all "know" that in terms of pure condition, the PSA 10 is likely a high quality card than this BGS 9.5.
/s/ JackWESQ
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<< <i>I think 1993 Finest refractors as a whole should get special consideration since they're probably the only set that took a gigantic dump in prices not once, but twice! >>
I don't know. I've been able to do just fine with them...how often can you sell Puckett PSA 10s for $4,250, $3,000, and $1,500? I recently sold a raw Shane Mack for $560, raw Griffey for over $700, and a PSA 9 Reynolds for $300. I've got a Jimmy Key 9 that will bring $500...
But what about the non Shane Macks and Jimmy Keys (ie, cards not dumped on the market by the thousands from the wholesalers)?
PSA 9s across the board have plummetted faster than Rosie O'donnell leaping off the Empire State Building! >>
You can be an idiot with ANY set of cards. Buy a PSA 10 Pujols RC on eBay and see how long it takes to make 50% on the card....
I've been able to make an absurd amount of money by buying low and selling high, only 1993 Refractors. Believe me, there are FAR better examples of sets with poor appreciation than the 1993 Refractors --- AND YOU KNOW THIS, MAN!!! I could give numerous other examples, but won't waste my or your time.
It is wholly unfair to compare PSA values of cards of ANY set, save for the vintage "big 3." As populations climb, values will necessarily go down. The star cards I've been selling have increased in value 25-75% on the whole (raw values for neatness) than from 2 years ago when I started buying...
I clicked on this thread for the sole purpose of responding to your expected trashing of 1993 Refractors.
You think you're the only person on earth that's made money off 1993 Finest refractors? I was able to make quite a bit myself dumping "low pop" PSA 9s for $500 a piece, but that doesn't mean 1993 refractors hasn't experienced two significant drops in value the past 13 years.
I don't know much about PSA 10 Pujolses or 1986 Topps Traded Barry Bonds in PSA 10s, but I DO KNOW 1993 Finest refractors. I've been following them since they first came out and saw them skyrocket in value in the mid-1990s (Hi Bob Nappe), then crash. I was actively buying and selling them then and got out before it all went kaput. I then saw their rebirth due to the Set Registry, when Doug Jones PSA 9s sold for $500, Jeff Bagwells sold for $600, Juan Gonzalez sold for $700, Nolan Ryan sold for $2,400, etc...
Do I have to tell you what those same PSA 9s are going for today?
YOU KNOW THIS MAN!!
You're probably just jealous you don't have my clientele. You must be the most conspicuous bragger on these boards, with NOTHING to back it up!!! You will reply and say you won't have to, and I will reply with "then why brag about all the $$$ you've made in the first place?"
And I won't even waste my time pointing out your egregious flawed logic in your most recent post. In any case, just sit back and watch, and enjoy the show...
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You're probably just jealous you don't have my clientele. You must be the most conspicuous bragger on these boards, with NOTHING to back it up!!! You will reply and say you won't have to, and I will reply with "then why brag about all the $$$ you've made in the first place?"
And I won't even waste my time pointing out your egregious flawed logic in your most recent post. In any case, just sit back and watch, and enjoy the show...
Clientele??
Talk about a legend in his own mind!
The sad thing is, you know I'm 100% right on the refractors. You're just too heavily invested in the set to admit it. That's okay though. All anyone has to do is take a look on Ebay (where your Mastro like presence demolishes the ref market? tee hee) and see the results for themselves.
Wholesalers + Inconsistent PSA grading + plummeting values = bad for the set
Do yourself a favor, lightweight, and quit while you're behind. Try talking smack to someone who is new to the board instead of fighting a fight you can't win.
By the way, I'd like to say I'm disappointed you didn't try your usual "passive aggressive" rebuttal.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !