ID help please

vincent

my son Paul found this today at the same place i found the 1814 capped bust dime last year .
it has to be mid 1800 or older .
i think it is foreign .
it is the size of a quarter .
one side is smooth . we can't see any detail at all .
the other all we can make out for now is guessing . we are going to clean it a bit and see if we can see more .
take a look at the pix . the last pic will have a great drawing that i did of what we can see for now . the second pic will show the stuff on the edge .

any input would be help full
thanx vincent

vincent

a new pic after a little cleanning
thanx vincent

DCH

Maybe France 1 Franc KM 649

This auction has a 5F pictured. The spacing between the bust and legend is different on the 1F piece. Issued 1803+04.

Attached is a bad picture of a 1F.

vincent

thank you that looks close . now we will have a place to start from .
my son is 13 and loves to metal detect for old coins . his oldest to date is a 1853 dime
thank you
vincent

Sapyx

Good call, DCH. Looks like a much closer match than anything I could find.

Looks like your son may well have a new "oldest find", vincent.

Stork

I have nothing interesting to add, but sometimes it helps to look at the pictures at the same time.

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edited to add, when looking at them all at once, I'm not convinced the chin or the angle at the nape of the neck are quite right. The nose seems ever so slightly off too, but that could be from the blotches.

Gazza

Something you could try is put a peice of paper over the coin and then go over it with a pencil to make an image. It could bring out a lot of hidden detail.

vincent

thanx for all the help .
and thanx Stork for the comparison pix . i allso thought it was a bit off but that could be from wear . i will do some more searches for dates close to 1803 . i did some last night but it got late . will try again this morrning.
thank you all for the help . my son has me beat now .
HH vincent

coachleonard

The shape of the head plus the fact that "BUNAP" seems to appear in the legend, to me, pretty much seals the deal that it's a Napoleaon Bonaparte silver coin. Was that found in the U.S? Great find despite the wear!

vincent

<< <i>The shape of the head plus the fact that "BUNAP" seems to appear in the legend, to me, pretty much seals the deal that it's a Napoleaon Bonaparte silver coin. Was that found in the U.S? Great find despite the wear! >>


yes it was found under a floor that was removed in a 1853 building in california .

coachleonard

i'm tempted to ask where in california, but if you'd rather not reveal your hot spot places, i'd understand

vincent

all i will say is it's near sacramento
HH vincent