I got suckered
kimo75
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Don't lnow how to post a link, but check out this one I bought when in a state of eBay boredom.
Item #: 220025718261
I think it is deceptive at best. He does explain in his description, but of course I didn't read it. Wonder who else took the bait? Funny thing is I actually HATE the cards with the "cuts" that are legitimate. But, I figured if it is 6/9 it has to be worth at least $9.99. I guess I better stick to to the vintage I know best.
Item #: 220025718261
I think it is deceptive at best. He does explain in his description, but of course I didn't read it. Wonder who else took the bait? Funny thing is I actually HATE the cards with the "cuts" that are legitimate. But, I figured if it is 6/9 it has to be worth at least $9.99. I guess I better stick to to the vintage I know best.
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Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
Obvioulsy you were the only one. At least it was just 9.99
For 10 bucks, it was a pretty inexpensive lesson.
Steve
Bosox1976
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She is doing it on lots of other players as well.
The fraud springs from the title.
Another example of eBay making millions from
consumer fraud, while turning buyers away
from online commerce and card collecting.
storm
James
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If you mean "can the prosecutor get a conviction?," then
the answer is "maybe, maybe not." The "intent" of the seller is
clear and that is "to sucker" consumers. If I was the
"prosecutor," I would go for it.
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"This is just typical sales strategy that you, as a buyer, need to be more careful of. "
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Deceptive advertising is really not a strategy. It is a civil crime.
The notion that people need to be careful is true. But, it is not OK/legal
to mislead "stupid or un-careful" people.
In any event, the title is a clear violation of the eBay TOS. It also
violates the VERO warnings that now appear at the botton of the
autograph "list your item" page.
The subject seller is now engaged in the same "strategy" with other cards.
When this stuff happens to us, it does not harm the card business/hobby.
When it happens to newbies and folks who are not as sophisticated as
we are, it is another nail in the coffin of the hobby/biz.
storm
just because it is mentioned later on is irrelavant.
Steve
<< <i>Don't lnow how to post a link, but check out this one I bought when in a state of eBay boredom.
Item #: 220025718261
I think it is deceptive at best. He does explain in his description, but of course I didn't read it. Wonder who else took the bait? Funny thing is I actually HATE the cards with the "cuts" that are legitimate. But, I figured if it is 6/9 it has to be worth at least $9.99. I guess I better stick to to the vintage I know best. >>
Quick question: as you clicked "buy it now" thinking it was a legitimate cut autograph, did you think to yourself, "this guy's a sucka...."?
Just curious...
Buyers have to take responsibility for what they are buying. Buyer beware.
<< <i>I see no deception by the seller. The title gets you to look at his auction. Within the auction he describes EXACTLY what is being sold. No false premise here, folks. The seller even tells you that it wasnt released by the company this way...aftermarket, fascimile, numbered by the seller, etc....couldnt have disclosed any better within the auction.
Buyers have to take responsibility for what they are buying. Buyer beware. >>
My feelings exactly. Even though a bunch of people (usually newbies) get burned by these things, its just one more part of the hobby that will never go away. When there is money to be made, there will ALWAYS be someone trying to scam. Buyers have got to start educating themselves better. Take one of these auctions down and 5 more will pop up. Ebay really doesnt care because they still made their cut and will continue to do so. People will even put "I am selling this card as a reprint" in bold letters, and people will still bid 52 Mantles and T 206 Wagners and 33 Goudey Lajoies up to 3,000! I dont get it.............
<< <i>I see no deception by the seller. The title gets you to look at his auction. Within the auction he describes EXACTLY what is being sold. No false premise here, folks. The seller even tells you that it wasnt released by the company this way...aftermarket, fascimile, numbered by the seller, etc....couldnt have disclosed any better within the auction.
Buyers have to take responsibility for what they are buying. Buyer beware. >>
This was exactly the point I made earlier.
A lot of things work this way, for example, "You can buy this new XXXXX model car for $199 a month!" Of course you can. When you read further into the ad, you see that it sure is $199 a month, but for 84 months, and plus taxes and fees.
How much more clear could that seller be? He got you to look at his auction, and then told you what it was. It's up to you at that point to recognize crap for what it is. He basically tells you so. Case closed.
Besides, he err'd and didn't place his auction in the "Paperstock Cutout" category.
Where worthless fakes belong.
No, I really don't think so....
I don't think anyone here is saying that the guy's product is a good thing. And it's quite a slam to some really good board members to even insinuate they are not forthright and are shady in their dealings. That's an assumption that is completely out of line.
The question was if the seller was shady in his auction descriptions. He wasnt. Was his product shady? Not for my judgement but the product does suck and he sucks for taking advantage of people inexperienced in collecting.
I'm not defending this seller, and as a seller myself, I would never a.) sell this type of junk and b.) sell anything in this fashion. And further, I don't like the fact that he/she is going to nab some less savvy collectors by doing this.
But then again, how savvy do you have to be to read the auction listing? Again, if he doesn't put the word "facsimile" in his listing several times (and in caps), then you have an issue. There are plenty of fraudulent auctions on Ebay involving sportscards that will make your blood boil. Go after them, because reporting auctions like this just wastes everyone's time, and allows less time to go after the real sleazy sellers and their fraudulent auctions.
Just because it holds up in a court of law doesn't mean it's right. O.J.'s free isn't he?
Lee
Lee
I wrote "May" not "Is". Who's making the assumptions? not I. Just a reminder, that some may (SOME not ALL) become a product of their environment. Besides, we're all innocent -until we've been caught
That seller was and is absolutely wrong. He's preying on those that aren't eBay savvy; kids, parents or grandparents looking for a unique gift.... I'm not gonna pull punches here, I just would look closer at one that defends that crook.
As far as your auto parts defense; If an item's title read, "Johnson Rod for a '67 Buick" and furthur in the description said it was a "Johnston rod" then you're example would also be deceptive. My interpretation of a sham obviously differs from yours'.
Incidentally, I believe the guy that was ripped off would likely have a strong case by the simple mis-categorization snafu alone.
If I've offended anyone then I apologize. If I've exposed anyone, well there's always karma.
We just have different views about what the buyer's
responsibility is in the matter.
But all of that aside: The title is a violation of the eBay
TOS that I and others are forced to abide, or have our
listings pulled. The description is fine and the product
is kind of a fun novelty item which should be sold as
such.
I agree that the "violation" is not worth reporting.
My previously stated views were in support of a board
member who seemed like he might want to get out of a
bad deal and I was simply giving him the ammo to attempt
to do so.
storm
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I am not saying the seller is a scam. he simply may have made a mistake and wanted to include 'facsimile' in the title and simply forgot.
by doing so he allowed the buyer a way out. In ebay land that is. In the real world possibly no.
Steve
I do still wonder one thing...would it matter which description he put in the title? If he put in the word "Aftermarket" or "Fascimile auto"?
Would the buyers still have purchased the cards?
Thankfully it was only 10 bucks. It's a tough lesson probably most of us had learned at one time or another buying on Ebay.
One thing we can say for certain...Ebay is happy.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
Where is that rule?? I have not found it and I think eveyone knows that I usually have the link real quick to an Ebay rule.. There are literally thousands of 8X10s on sell on Ebay that when you read the description will say pre-printed autograph. There are 3 Power Sellers that all they sell are pre-printed autographs.
I found the rule on the 8X10s and they are in violation, but I do not see anything saying that you have to put facsimile in the title.
What this seller is doing is really no different than the sellers who were taking normal cards and usign a foil stamper and making them 1/1s. Deceptive, but illegal not really due to the "first sale doctrine" even though I think Upper Deck managed to get them slowed down.
Auto sales in general is the worlds worst at pulling the bait and switch. First rule you are taught when you sale cars is "nver sell an ad vehicle as the dealership will loose money." If you are forced to the point make sure you do everything you can to increase the sales price and lower their trade in value.
This is the closest thing I found to the rule on the title and it is very subjective. Since it is a facsimile of his autograph it is still technically his autograph just a copy of it. That falls under the KWS rule and that is a very fine line and argumentive.
This is a prime example of why you should read everything before you click to bid or buy. And remember the golden rule if it is too good to be true it most likely is.
I have seen sellers list thinks like a "signed 2005 Topps Albert Pujols" card thet they signed themselves with their real name. They never said the card was signed by Pujols so while deceptive they did not do anything illegal.
That is the thing with buying any autograph on Ebay you have to watch the wording of the listing
When you clicked "buy it now," didn't YOU thick "boy this seller is a sucker!!!"
Ironic, huh?
Steve
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