How is this O/C?

themetalsign · September 7, 2006 9:50PM

Do you guys feel this card should have been designated with an OC qualifier?

tanzanite · September 7, 2006 9:52PM

The left/right centering looks within the guidelines for a 9, but the top/bottom centering looks outside the guidelines. Have to take a ruler to it, but a quick glance looks like it.
Kelly

mikeschmidt · September 7, 2006 10:33PM

t/b looks problematic - plus the back centering could be 99/1, too...

themetalsign · September 8, 2006 12:15AM

I haven't received it yet so I hope the back is not horrible. It's a pretty rare card and a very low pop so I decided to add it to the Munson collection.

packCollector · September 8, 2006 12:49AM

if the back is fine , the card should be a straight 8 because of t/b centering. oc seems a little harsh but my money is on the back since rarely does a card get qualified if it would fit in the next lower grade category.

I had a 72 opc red sox team that was the same thing , front looked great but hte back was almost miscut and it got an oc qualifier.

themetalsign · September 8, 2006 1:20AM

In all my excitement of wanting this card I failed to ask for a back scan. I'm gonna say you are right on the back of the card being off. I should have asked. I'll post a back pic when the card arrives. I still say the front is good enough. I won't be displaying the back anyway so it's all good.

stown · September 8, 2006 1:31AM

themetalsign · September 8, 2006 3:08AM

Thanks for the picture stown. I just can't seem to figure this link and picture thing out. Here is a link of the back.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k219/vintagecardshop/img278.jpg

stown · September 8, 2006 4:08AM

Just click the picture frame between the U and http, then put the address into the prompt.

OR

Type [IM G]http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k219/vintagecardshop/img278.jpg[/I MG] without the spaces

packCollector · September 8, 2006 4:12AM

crack and resubmit , that card should not have a qualifier. it will probably come back a straight 8 but no way will it come back qualified again

bri2327 · September 8, 2006 4:13AM

did you get that card off ebay ?

If it is the same one I am thinking of the seller had dog in the name...am I correct ?

themetalsign · September 8, 2006 5:23AM

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I hope this works.

themetalsign · September 8, 2006 5:26AM

I probably will crack and resubmit at some point just to appease myself and hope and pray they get a change of heart and give it a 9. Wishful thinking.

cravetopps · September 8, 2006 6:08AM

top to bottom is below guidelines...which is kind of unfortunate because a straight 8 would be better.

5STAT · September 8, 2006 9:20AM

I've had similar cards and the only thing I can see is that the card is slightly OC left to right...but definitely top to bottom..
The combination of the two gets you the OC....if it were one or the other...it may slide.

Should 8 without a problem.

themetalsign · September 8, 2006 10:27AM

I've decided to cross this card over to PRO. It should receive a Gem Mint 10. LOL

jmbkb4 · September 8, 2006 11:02AM

<< <i>I probably will crack and resubmit at some point just to appease myself and hope and pray they get a change of heart and give it a 9. Wishful thinking. >>

I think it would be an 8 eventually...unqualified

5STAT · September 8, 2006 11:11AM

If the name on the slab doesn't matter...why not send it to SGC or GAI...they don't whack you for centering...

It is a good example of how stringent PSA can be...but that's better than being a PRO or CSA company.

themetalsign · September 8, 2006 11:30AM

I was definitely kidding on the the PRO grading. I made my mistakes in the early days with that trimmed junk. I like SGC equally as much as PSA and I thought about that crossover. I'm thinking a potential 8.5 from SGC and an 8 from PSA. Only 23 have been sent to PSA so it's a pretty low pop card in all grades but the OC just kills me personally. I bought the card due to its eye appeal to me. And from now on as long as I own this card the OC stands for OUTSTANDING COLOR, OUTSTANDING CLARITY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY OUTSTANDING CARD.

Dave D. (trying to finish my 56 set in psa 7,8 or sgc 84, 86, 88

#136,145,194,252,253,257,268,276,280,303,336,340

and the big guys #5,11,15,79,90,95,100,130,135,146,166,188,213,251,260

GlynRParson · September 8, 2006 9:21PM

i think it is to oc top to bottom.

packCollector · September 8, 2006 10:41PM

no way that card is oc, crack it out and resubmit. I will pay the $6 bucks for you to do it. the card is not that bad top to bottom. it looks worse because the bottom is under the holder and the top is not. move the card to sit in the middle so we can get a better idea on top to bottom centering. the card will not get a 9 but it will get a straight 8 on the 1st resubmit.

themetalsign · September 9, 2006 11:39AM

Keep your money my friend. Thanks for the kind gesture though. I'll keep it as is. I'll be catching a show at some point and have them grade it on site. I don't prefer to send stuff in anymore. I just do not see how it gets and o/c qualifier.

MINT 9: Mint. A PSA Mint 9 is a superb condition card that exhibits only one of the following minor flaws: a very slight wax stain on reverse, a minor printing imperfection or slightly off-white borders. Centering must be approximately 60/40 to 65/35 or better on the front and 90/10 on the reverse.

This card is a straight up 8.5 and real close 9. It's 70/30 on the front. The back is within guidelines. I think I'm going to let SGC grade it on site at a show.

My first and only submission to SGC resulted in a SGC 98 Roger Clemens Donruss rookie.

SGC 92 is my guess when it happens.

themetalsign · September 9, 2006 1:50PM

Card moved up in holder.

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