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Screwing up every single call. What a waste
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Saban's "challenge" was lame and inexcusable. He double-pumped that red flag more than Mackey Sasser used to do for the Mets back in the day.
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are idiots. Steelers were looking bad and needed a few phantom calls to help them move the ball, then the go ahead
TD wasn't even a TD. This is what is wrong with football.
JS
Edited to say like most fans from the state of Florida (could care less about Football, hence the piss poor attendance records in Jacksonville and Miami, not to mention the 'Non-Sellout' at the FSU-Miami game)...
joined in. Not the greatest way to start the season.
..and Jacksonville WILL be sold out and WILL be ready for you all. You better bring more than a few refs!
JS
<< <i>You a Dolphin fan?
Saban's "challenge" was lame and inexcusable. He double-pumped that red flag more than Mackey Sasser used to do for the Mets back in the day.
That simply was pathetic. Possibly some of the worst coaching by Miami in the last 3 minutes of an NFL game that I've ever seen.
refs aren't looking at the coach that nothing short of the head coach running out onto the field screaming will stop the play? If you get
rid of the buzzer, shouldn't the refs be more aware, especially after such an ify call?
More laimness. Did you all see the old fart ref when Miller "crossed" the goal....looking at the other guy like he had no freaking
clue if it was a touch or not. Same old same old...nice "win" Pitt.
JS
Saban blew that all by himself. Even so, if the challenge is upheld, they get the ball 1st and goal on the 1, and Parker just walks it in. The game wouldn't have been all that different, especially when Culpepper threw the game away with his costly INT's.
I can't wait to see what happens when a ref tells Bill Parcells he didn't throw the flag far enough.
How many officials will have to be pelted in the back of the head with a red flag before they bring back the buzzer?
<< <i>Screwing up every single call. What a waste
JS >>
Yep, a two-point conversion from last year comes to mind...
<< <i>The point is why have reply when you can't use it or the refs miss the call. Miller wasn't in and Saban threw the flag. The refs
are idiots. Steelers were looking bad and needed a few phantom calls to help them move the ball, then the go ahead
TD wasn't even a TD. This is what is wrong with football.
JS >>
The same people who are complaining about the refs not whistling the play in the last fraction of a second would be the exact same people complaining if the same ref missed a call on the field because he was babysitting the coach in case he decided to play fake the red flag as the ball is being snapped.
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<< <i>The point is why have reply when you can't use it or the refs miss the call. Miller wasn't in and Saban threw the flag. The refs
are idiots. Steelers were looking bad and needed a few phantom calls to help them move the ball, then the go ahead
TD wasn't even a TD. This is what is wrong with football.
JS >>
The same people who are complaining about the refs not whistling the play in the last fraction of a second would be the exact same people complaining if the same ref missed a call on the field because he was babysitting the coach in case he decided to play fake the red flag as the ball is being snapped. >>
Anyone who thinks that call changed the game doesn't really understand football. Pitt won the game because they rushed for almost 100 more yards and had fewer turnovers. You do both of those things and you'll win a vast majority of your games in the NFL.
..and at the end of the 3rd quarter when it was 17-14 Fish, the Dolphins had just sacked Batch for the second time and
had them back up inside their own 10 and Pitt was about to punt, when they call a WEAK hands to the face call and bail
a SORRY pitt offense out. The momentum there was clearly to the Dolphins! They were about to get the ball in great
field position and were going to add to a 3 point lead. You can't call it pitt domination when the Dolphins were ahead in the
game. You keep giving a team second chances, after they suck, and sooner or later they are going to hit.
You can't blame Saban for anything. The refs should of made the proper call. Im sick of refs who can't admit they didn't even see
the call and are just calling what they think will be popular. If you have the booth, then use the booth and get it right.
JS
<< <i>Pitt had the ball inside the 5 before and Batch fumbled it...how can honestly say that they wouldn't do the same thing again?
..and at the end of the 3rd quarter when it was 17-14 Fish, the Dolphins had just sacked Batch for the second time and
had them back up inside their own 10 and Pitt was about to punt, when they call a WEAK hands to the face call and bail
a SORRY pitt offense out. The momentum there was clearly to the Dolphins! They were about to get the ball in great
field position and were going to add to a 3 point lead. You can't call it pitt domination when the Dolphins were ahead in the
game. You keep giving a team second chances, after they suck, and sooner or later they are going to hit.
You can't blame Saban for anything. The refs should of made the proper call. Im sick of refs who can't admit they didn't even see
the call and are just calling what they think will be popular. If you have the booth, then use the booth and get it right.
JS >>
It's funny how you conveniently leave out calls that went against the Steelers like the non-interference call on the karate chop to the hands of Nate Washington before the ball ever reached him.
Everone I've heard aside from a select few Florida team fans have blamed Sabin for not using the challange instead of wasting it. He blamed it on having to wait for his eye in the sky to review the play. It was easy to see on the replay that it should be challanged. Even after that, Sabin walked to the edge of the sideline, pump faked the throw and then finally threw it. It was like he was trying to fake out the refs. Here's a hint Sabin, when you have a challenge left, use it! The worst you can lose is a time out. Don't wait 'til the last second and hope the snapper delays the play. The Steelers took an extraordinarily long time to snap the ball after they lined up. Otherwise, the play proceeds long before Sabin registers what his booth is trying to tell him.
Since they have taken the buzzers away from the coaches, how is the NFL going to make sure that on extra points that the refs are looking for the red flag? Do they expect the coaches to just run out on the field, or do they have a contingency plan? This is not the last time this will happen.
Those bashing Saban for not yelling and getting in the face of officals are ridiculous - that isn't how the instant replay challenge is meant to work. He threw the flag out there in plenty of time, and the officials blew the call twice: first, in calling that play a touchdown, second, by not acknowledging the replay call.
Nothing is guaranteed, and there's nothing to say that the steelers would have converted a first and goal at the 5 to a TD. To say it's a sure thing says you know nothing about the game.
The Fins were screwed on that call, and the steelers were the beneficiary (again) - coincidence?
<< <i>Steelers got the benefit of a bogus call, further validating Seahawks fans' complaints about officiating in the super bowl.
Those bashing Saban for not yelling and getting in the face of officals are ridiculous - that isn't how the instant replay challenge is meant to work. He threw the flag out there in plenty of time, and the officials blew the call twice: first, in calling that play a touchdown, second, by not acknowledging the replay call.
Nothing is guaranteed, and there's nothing to say that the steelers would have converted a first and goal at the 5 to a TD. To say it's a sure thing says you know nothing about the game.
The Fins were screwed on that call, and the steelers were the beneficiary (again) - coincidence? >>
It was Sabin's fault. I'd hate to see him trying to decide on a really unclear replay. He'd probably throw the flag three games later.
Conspiracy theorist? The Steelers aren't in the refs pockets. If they were, the fins would have been called for PI when Nate Washington was mugged and the refs wouldn't have misinterpreted the rule book when they overturned Troy P's INT against the Colts in the AFC divisional playoffs last year. Refs miss calls in just about every game. Good teams recover from them.
Next up, the NFL refs and Steelers conspired to implode the World Trade Center Towers after flying remote controlled planes into those buildings and the Pentagon.
Somewhere there must be a picture of Bill Cowher with a joystick in hand. No wonder he will retire after this year. He's already rich from the Sept. 11 payoff.
Please...
360 degree, high definition, slow motion replays and stuff like that and the NFL can't get a lousy challenge buzzer to work in a coach's pocket? That seems kind of crazy to me.
Here's another observation........was is it that people seem to think that Daunte Culpepper can lead the Dolphins to the Super Bowl. The guy is coming off a major knee injury and played for years in Minnesota and never led them to anything. Why all of a sudden is he King Quarterback heading to the Super Bowl? Did you see that easy toss to Chambers in the end zone? How about the perfect pass to the Steeler defender? Joey Harrington is waiting with his helmet on!!!
From ProFootballTalk.com -
WAS SABAN MERELY COVERING HIS BUTT?
One of our readers has raised an interesting theory regarding the limp-wristed hanky toss employed on Thursday night by Miami coach Nick Saban after that 87-yard touchdown catch-and-run by Steelers tight end Heath Miller.
What if Saban intentionally threw the flag late so that the officials wouldn't see if before the snap on the extra point, permitting him to avoid being second-guessed for not challenging the play?
It's an interesting hypothesis, but we doubt that Saban would have been able to make such a decision -- and implement it so perfectly -- in the 40 seconds or so between touchdown and extra point. Instead, we believe that Saban truly was agonizing over the decision, since a successful challenge would have put the ball near the end zone and would have allowed the Steelers to milk the clock, leaving the Fins with even less time to retake the lead.
Said Saban on Friday: "I have nobody to blame except me on that one. The other thing to consider there is even if the guy is on the one-yard line, maybe we stop them, maybe they take two or three minutes off the clock while trying to score as well. If they do score, do you want to take a chance of burning a timeout in a situation like that? There are a lot of different factors that you’re considering when making this decision. If I didn’t get the flag where I got there attention, there's nobody to blame for that except me, because I feel really good about how fast I can be, what my acceleration is, how quick I am and what kind of burst I have to get down the sideline. I just didn't realize that I needed to do that in that circumstance to get their attention."
Added Saban later in his Friday press conference: "That's not why we won or lost the game. So let's not get too sideways on all of that. How did they get down there to start with?"
We agree. The problem here wasn't the last two yards -- it was the first 85. The tight end got behind the defense and no one was in a position to stop him, or to track him down as he likely sprinted farther in a straight line than he ever has in his life.
Not sure what you were watching, but he looked very indecisive to me. What was up with all the pump fakes before throwing the flag? Bad calls are part of the game. Good teams only seem to benefit more because they usually wind up winning. The idea that there is some kind of Pittsburgh favoritism going on is absolutely ridiculous.
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crossed the goal, neither ref had a clue if he had stepped out of bounds or not. Thats just sad. This is the first game of the season..a
season following a BAD year for the refs. I would of expected a top notch crew to show up, but instead the same group of bumbling
idiots. If these morons show up at a bucs game I will be waiting for them after the game.
JS
Regarding Heath's TD, I liked Jim Rome's comment this morning where he b-slapped the fins defense for allowing a TD to Heath that took him nearly the entire 4th quarter to make it to the end zone.
<< <i>I saw the replay of Saban and it looked like he threw the flag on the field in the direction of the ref in plenty of time prior to the kick. >>
I actually saw the exact opposite. They showed a split screen real time display of the flag being thrown, and the kick being executed, and it looked like Saban threw the flag (to the back of the nearest official) only a second or two before the Steeler kicker was in motion for the PAT. In any case, what the heck was Saban waiting for? He had plenty of time to get the flag out there, and it remains his fault (or his coaching staffs fault, take your pick) for not acting quicker, and being more decisive.
couch could see he was out, Saban couldn't. He is possibly thinking that the timeout is more valuable than the 1 yard.
The fact remains. The refs had no freaking clue what Miller did. That cost the Fins, and sure you can say Pitt would of scored anyways,but
this sets a poor precident in the league.
If its plain freaking obvious that the call went the wrong way, why not make it right? How many key games need to be decided by a
ref that had no clue what the player did? I would rather it be settled on the field, then by the blind zebras. Here we are 1 game into
it and all we can talk about is are the refs....This is what I hate about football!
JS
And Kevin, he thought maybe he should save the TO and not challenge the call???? Are you nuts??? You can't whine about how key that call was and then turn around and give Saban a pass for being "indecisive". And you know what, Pitt wins that game hands down even if that challenge is made. You act like it was that call that cost the Fish the game. Hardly. And if you're Miami you got to awfully PO'd that your coaching staff is caught asleep at the wheel even if you do think the play was that important (which it wasn't). fact is, Pitt made the plays at the end of the game when they needed to and Miami didn't. Simple as that.
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