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  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    That is just astonishing.

    It makes you wonder just how many amazing collections are still out there, ungraded, tucked away and waiting to be unveiled to the world in all their glory.
    "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
    -- Yogi Berra

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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't remember Carter having a Wagner or a Plank for that matter. He did have a binder of T206's that looked right out of the pack fresh, but I believe actually I'm positive the reporter is mistaken. Don't they every have fact finders proofing their stories any more? Or I we to believe everything these hacks write. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but there have been countless articles, stories and pictures of his collection and never was there a mention of a Wagner. His collection is valued at $2M+ but a Mint Wagner would be worth $2M itself.
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This was in the Columbian ( State of Washington) newspaper yesterday. The guy's name is Lionel Carter and he sold the set for 1.6 million. >>



    Not even close to true. Who is this idiot that wrote this? He should be canned back to the mail room. The set hasn't even come up for auction yet as it's slated for sale in the next auction. What a hack.
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • Your correct Joe. He didn't have a Wagner. He did have a low grade Plank that Paul M. bought from over at Net54 out of the auction.
  • getting slowed down by other collecting ventures. Stupid d304s and CJs. I've gotta stop that or ill be using my T206's to build shelter and to keep warm.

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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Your correct Joe. He didn't have a Wagner. He did have a low grade Plank that Paul M. bought from over at Net54 out of the auction. >>



    Really? I stand corrected on the Plank. I didn't think Lionel collected any thing low grade. I remember a story that bill Mastro sent him a rare card that he needed for a set for free and Lionel sent it back to him with a note saying, "Sorry, not up to my standards." LOL
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • Joe, here is the Plank that Paul picked up. Would look better with my collection though....I have many in the same grade that would make Mr. Plank feel right at home. But, I still haven't found anything saying there was a Wagner.

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  • Received this one in the mail today. Bought from someone who bought from RayB...obviously you can tell it's a former Ray card...I am clueless as to why this is just a PSA 2.

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    A little bit closer up....I'm still clueluss....

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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've seen PSA 4's that looked worse than that. Nice consistant grading. imageimageimageimageimage
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    2dueces, That Lumley looks great, nice pickup !

    I'll be looking for one of those soon. Im trying to assemble all cards from each NY team. I just hope I can find one as nice as that for the price.



    MajorDanby, that Milligan is a sweet looking card image

    asphaltman76, real nice card for the grade. It definately seems like that card is vastly undergraded.

    Ive noticed in my very short time collecting T206 cards that condition can be all over the place for certain grades.

    These two I picked up this week are perfect examples. Both are PSA 3's yet one clearly looks at least 2 grades better if not more.

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    "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
    -- Yogi Berra

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  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    BTW, those two cards along with the others I picked up the past week or so helped me break into the top 100 sets on the registry. Im now sitting in 97th place with a GPA of 2.85.

    Which brings me to my question for everyone...

    What are other collectors of this amazing sets long term goals ? Its obvious that a set like this isnt one any of us will ever complete, which makes it unique in that facet. Most often we start collecting sets with the ultimate goal of completion.

    Ive only been collecting T206 cards for a few months now and figured my goals would be to first get my feet wet with different backs/variations, collect cards from all NY based teams, move on to picking up a HOF player here and there, and finally see where it takes me from that point.

    I was just curious to hear others views on the set and where they would like their collection to go short and long term.
    "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
    -- Yogi Berra

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  • I don't know that I would say it would be impossible to complete. Now I'm saying that realizing I'll never have a Wagner, or probably for that matter a Plank....but I don't think the set as a whole would really be impossible. I know quite a few people....I have a neighbor down the road from me that is number 4 on the registry....I've recently broke into the top 80 (I know, big accomplishment). RayB is at 50%......no reason he couldn't complete the set over the next 5-7 years. Scott Lasko is buying, buying, buying...which may slow down at some point...but none the less the guy is way ahead of me.....Joe B is probably fairly well along...but he collects every slab..not just PSA...so who knows what kind of stash Joe is sitting on....it's the quiet guys like that you have to watch for...one day he'll just come out and day "Well, I finished the set"
  • The one thing to remember when trying to get along with the Monstor and one day complete it.....improvise, be creative.....unless money grows on your trees chances are at some point you can hit a wall when it comes to purchases...be creative though....there are many ways to create money with cards to further this set along.....image
  • Bri,
    If you only think you can get so far.....one suggestion...don't collect so many 3's and 4's.....go with 1's and 2's.....you'll save a few bucks that way.....and there are many 1's and 2's with the same front your Dorner has with just a tad of paperloss on the back.
  • Just got this as part of a trade..it'll probably be traded again here soon





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  • << <i>I was just curious to hear others views on the set and where they would like their collection to go short and long term. >>



    Long term, I hope to complete the set minus Wagner and doyle. I doubt i'll finish this set within the next two years...will likely take me a long time. I collect high eye appeal, low grade examples (i.e. paperloss, MK, light creases).

    i dont dabble with the backs too much. i would like to own every back except, of course, the cobb back.

    Money is always an issue. Right now i'm getting lured away from T206 to collect other sets. I'm pretty sure, with my limited budget, that in time these collecting ventures will be set aside and i'll refocus on the T206 again.

    One card at a time is my perspective at this point.
  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My long term goal is to keep plugging along. I'm in no hurry as I found it impossible to be in a hurry with this set long ago. I pick up a card here and there and continue to work on my 60's football. The thrill is in the hunt anyways so if you amass cards quickly, you tend to not apprieciate them fully. Someday I'll have all the portraits in the set and fill in some holes. No worries cause there ain't no hurries.
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    Interesting responses so far.

    Maybe I shouldnt have said nobody has a chance at completing the set, as I am sure there are those who have the means to do so. It was more my intention to say for the most part not too many will ever have a chance at true completion ( getting the Wagner, Plank, etc. )

    Im sure there are several members who can come damn close to finishing this amazing set. In time, by plugging away here and there Im sure I too may even get close.

    I know one thing though. Over the past several years since getting back into collecting I had attempted to assemble a couple of different sets ( primarily the '71 topps in PSA 8 or better, which I got to around 50% before selling off ) and in time I became disinterested in going after them. Too many commons among other reasons turned me off and in the end I swore off complete sets for the registry.

    Since starting my pursuit of T206 cards I realized it is without a doubt the one set where even the most obscure common is special and something worth going after and continuing to pursue. I highly doubt this set is one I would ever tire of chasing. These cards are unique, at least in my eyes, in that no matter what conditon they are something special.

    Thank you to all who have responded so far, as well as all those who have encouraged me since starting this set a short time ago. The appreciation of this set, as well as the appreciation collectors of this set have for each other are going to make this an enjoyable ride for me however far it takes me !
    "The other teams could make trouble for us if they win."
    -- Yogi Berra

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  • My personal focus has been once I got started with T206's....there couldn't be any turning back. I havent' dabbled with any other sets...the day I started with T206's I sold off my meager 1952 topps set. I truely think that is probably the only way to ever have a chance at the monster. And I agree, it is very much a financial burden for most (including me) to try to get deep in the set. Obviously all the bigger priced cards will wait....maybe a long time. Some of the mid-priced cards I've been able to get hold of...Johnson portrait, Matty portrait, now a Cy Young portrait, as well as a couple different backs along the way....a Lenox, a couple hindu's....of which I've sold those. Just like the Collins PSA 5 I have above...that was through a trade, with the intention of eventually selling it off....or trading it again...for cash or lower conditioned cards.

    So far I've been pretty lucky. I am around 78-79 on the registry...have a few other cards to send in for grading (including the Cy Young portrait)...and all in all, from the beginning I've only put $200 into my cards. That was what I initially put in my paypal account...and over the past six-eight months it's been flipping alot, and grabbing unto lower priced cards....buy a card for $250...sell it for $350...use that to buy a couple more PSA 1's or 2's....and do the same thing again....it takes a while...but it's working....patience is the key.
  • lamontcarterlamontcarter Posts: 748 ✭✭✭
    For myself it's certainly the plan to complete the set minus the Wagner and maybe a few others. I am approaching the 100 card mark and should get there pretty soon. It's a little disheartening to realize that I have 400+ more to go. I have told Dave in the past that I admire his ability to make deals, buy and flip cards (even non T206's) etc. rather just relying on ebay and buying from other collectors. It's pretty impressve to me that he has only laid out $200 so far. He has a really nice collection (and he's a helluva nice guy to boot).

    I too only collect T206's at this point and I think that helps. I have a 55 Topps set minus the Clemente in PSA 5 or better. At some point I'll pick up a Roberto to finish that. I also started a 41 Play Ball set that I got reasonaby far on (none of the biggies) but after i bought my first T206 I stopped with the Playball's cold.

    I like the fact that the the folks that post on this thread almost exclusively collect in the same grade range. It's nice to look at cards that would fit in nicely in your collection as well. I read the Net 54 board often but never really felt like my collecting style fits in there. There is some serious cash thrown around by those guys. The cards that those guys pick up in auctions is mind boggling. I couldn't even sniff probbaly the most generic of lots in a Mastro or REA auction but I'm okay with that. It will be really neat to see where we're all at in a few years.
  • djspanndjspann Posts: 541
    My T206 goals are pretty hazy. I have been collecting them for 2-3 years, but my focus is mostly elsewhere. I'm trying to finish my 1935 National Chicle football set primarily, but I'm also working more enthusiastically on other vintage football. Regarding T206, I bought my first one "just to have one". Since then, I've collected mostly commons, with a HOFer here and there. I still have no Southern Leaguers.

    My main T206 goals are, from highest priority to lowest:
    -- At least one card from each tobacco company
    -- All the commons
    -- At least one of each of the "big name" HOFers
    -- All HOFers (probably never)
    -- Some of the big 6 (most likely never)
    -- Some of the big 4 (Almost surely never)


    Doug
  • Doug....You'll have to pick up a southern leaguer at some point soon. I love them. Not to mention if you look at Scot Reader's T206 article they are all in the top 50 rarest of the T206's...many in the top 20. I really think in the next few years Southern Leaguers will continue an upward swing in prices...so now is the time to get them. I've tried telling Scott to pick some up....but maybe because he's a Philly guy he isn't into the redneck cards..image

    As far as making deals....it's not hard. It's luck...you just have to be on the computer at the right time. On the Net54 board two days ago a Kleinow Boston variation came up for sale in a PSA 5. He was asking $225 for it....unfortunately I wasn't online during the 20 minutes it was available. That card in that grade could easily be flipped right away for $600....so for a $375 profit....could pick up a nice lot of 10 lower grade T206's...basically for free.
  • Here is a few examples of cards I've flipped lately to get further with my set...obviously not all are T206's though...but all came from bargain deals I knew I could get ahead on.



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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Joe B is probably fairly well along...but he collects every slab..not just PSA...so who knows what kind of stash Joe is sitting on....it's the quiet guys like that you have to watch for...one day he'll just come out and day "Well, I finished the set"


    Hmm, I've never been descibed as a quiet guy. LOL. Actually I would be farther along but I concentrated on picking up SL and HOF portraits and as Dave can tell you that will slow you down a bit. I now have 28 HOFer's and 8 SLer's. Now I can go back to picking up a portrait here and there.

    "Well, I finished the set"

    That statement may be a few days away though.

    BTW guys, keep the photos and discussion coming. It's great to be included in this semi elite club. After all 20 Billion people in China don't have as nice of a collection as we do. image
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • The problem Joe....it's true 20 billion in China dont have as nice of collections..but five miles down the road from me sits the guy with the 4th and 16th best sets on the registry. So I don't even have the best collection in a five mile radius!
  • djspanndjspann Posts: 541


    << <i>Doug....You'll have to pick up a southern leaguer at some point soon. I love them. Not to mention if you look at Scot Reader's T206 article they are all in the top 50 rarest of the T206's...many in the top 20. I really think in the next few years Southern Leaguers will continue an upward swing in prices...so now is the time to get them. I've tried telling Scott to pick some up....but maybe because he's a Philly guy he isn't into the redneck cards.. >>



    Interesting -- I didn't know the southern leaguers are so rare...I haven't been ignoring them on purpose, but I've found I'm much more comfortable in T206 at the price point of commons. image I may look harder now at southern leaguers, though.

    Looking at the pop report is misleading to me in T206 -- I'm more familiar with vintage football (1935-1952). I think there's so much more demand for T206 that a higher percentage of cards have been graded. Even after 2 years or more, I'm still just getting a feel for this set, in many respects.


    Doug
  • Doug....just in case you aren't familiar with it. Here is a link to Scot Reader's T206 literture...it does get awful in depth as Scot has done a great deal of work studying the cards and backs. Near the end he does give a ranking for each card in the whole set on the basis of how difficult they are to come by.

    T206 Literture
  • djspanndjspann Posts: 541
    Thanks for the link -- I've actually been out to T206 Museum, but haven't read it all yet. BTW: The link didn't entirely work for me, but I could see that it was going to the T206 Museum...


    Doug
  • yawie99yawie99 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭
    While my hobby plans have certainly changed many times and will probably continue to evolve, I do plan on completing a T206 set less the big three of Wagner, Doyle and Plank. The Wagner and Doyle are obviously pipedreams, though I guess "dream" is something of a misnomer with the Doyle since I just don't find it that interesting of a card. I don't ever expect to land a Plank, but the guy on N54 who snagged the Mastro one makes it seem that it's at least within the realm of possibility. I'd have to reread the thread over there, but I guess he sacrificed a huge chunk of his collection so he could snag the Plank. Stroke of brilliance, if you ask me.

    Anyway, I'm up to a little over 300 T206's though the number of unique cards is probably quite a bit less since I'm trying to get as many different back types as I can for the St. Louis players. Plus I keep a few other doubles - for instance if I have tint variations, a low-grade tough back and a nicer common back, or simply dupes of some of my favorites. I've reached this point in a little under three years. I'm sure it'll take me at least three more to finish since I still need a lot of major HoFers. But that's the nice thing about the Monster. It's definitely a long-term kinda collecting project.
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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm still looking for an Evers portrait to complete my Tinker to Evers to Chance portrait combo. I have some T206's that I will offer for trade bait. I would like one PSA 3 or less and will take any card with good eye appeal. Back damage does't bother me. I am also willing to trade some HOFer's for the card. P.M. me or e-mail me at twodueces22@yahoo.com. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • lamontcarterlamontcarter Posts: 748 ✭✭✭
    Had the Chance already. Picked up the other two over the past two weeks. I've wanted the Evers for a LONG time and got what I think is a phenominal deal the other night on ebay.

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  • yawie99yawie99 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭
    The registration on that trio is awesome, Lamont. Especially the Chance, which seems to be one of the many T206's that one typically sees with fuzzy focus. Joss pitching is another. I've had two or three different ones but I just can't find one with a really crisp image.
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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lamont, Those are really really sweet cards. I can't find an ever portrait. Or maybe I'm just too cheap to pay for one. I think you all know the answer to that. Right Steve? LOL
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's with much sorrow that I am offering this card for sale at this time. It's a T206 Cobb Red with a Ghost Cobb ( or overprint or wet ink) back. I've wrestled with this for some time and I hate t osee it go, but.....go it will. This is the only Cobb ghost I have ever seen. Beautiful card. $1185.00 shipping and insurance included. First e-mail gets it. We will hammer out the payment details then. Serious offers now taken.
    twodueces22@yahoo.com

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    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • lamontcarterlamontcarter Posts: 748 ✭✭✭
    Guys
    Thanks for the kind words. This one arrived today. It's a 1 for a reason but it's my first Cobb and I love it. Nice PB back too.

    Scott

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  • lamontcarterlamontcarter Posts: 748 ✭✭✭
    A few more:

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  • That is a nice Cobb Scott. Here a few I got in this week...but I just can't keep up with you! The Latham I especially like...if memory serves it is a 460 only subject..so a little more scarce than some.




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  • yawie99yawie99 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭
    Good stuff, all. And good luck selling the Cobb, Joe. I've always been a little envious of that card but my hobby budget is currently in the red. Bigtime.

    Being broke is a bummer, but it's been a pretty good mail week. My favorite new T206 is probably this EPDG Konetchy:

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    Runner-up is probably this Schaefer. It's nothing spectacular, but I like picking up cards of one of the game's great characters:

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    My brokeness stems in part from picking up some PSA 6 T206's with the intent to flip 'em. I don't get too terribly attached to my cards and don't mind treating them like mere commodities if doing so lets a hobby small fry like myself move up the vintage baseball food chain, but I'll probably spend some time saying goodbye to these two beauties when the time comes:

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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Steve,
    Sweet looking pick ups!!. You must be amassing a great set. Do you have your set scanned so we can view it? (Photobucket or the likes?) I alway enjoy seeing my friends picking up additions to their sets. Keep the card coming.

    My Cobb is an interesting card. but it's just too high end to match the rest of my set. image. I've enjoyed it these 2 years and now it's time for someone else to get the same pleasure out of it that I have. "We don't own these cards. We are just holding them for awhile."

    If anyone has a serious offer in mind, shoot me an e-mail. Please serious offers. Joe
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • yawie99yawie99 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭
    I know the feeling, Joe. I've got a couple of PSA 3's that I wouldn't mind downgrading to 2's or high-end 1's.

    Anyway, here's a link to my T206 page.
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  • nice cards everyone! Joe...Sorry to see you part with the cobb. Hope you get what you're looking for...even when someone tries to interfere in any transactions like that guy on net 54.

    Steve...i hear you about being in the red. I'm officially holding off on buying cards unless i see a really nice low grade cobb green or elberfeld. Here was my last T206 for the time being.

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  • Unfortunately that guy sticks his nose in on many listings on the B/S/T that he shouldnt. I wish that it would be taken care of over there...but it continues to happen.
  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yea, He doesn't even merit a response. I think I discribed it accurately. It was sold to me as a Ghost image. Now I have given the buyer three options to describe it. Ghost, over print or wet ink back. It definately is not a leak threw from the front. Some people think they know something and are better off keeping their mouth shut.
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • djspanndjspann Posts: 541
    Congratulations everyone on your new cards. I hope you do well on your Cobb w/ghost, Joe.

    I'm excited to have added to my backs this week. I am going for at least one example of each tobacco company, and I added my first Cycle this week:
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    I am also over 20% complete on the set now! Granted, they're nearly all commons, but it's still a milestone for me.

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    Doug
  • I've been trying to put together a Buffalo team set - here's the latest -

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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This will be my sig until the Sabres win the Stanley Cup...

    LET'S GO BUFFALO


    I've been waiting 43 years for a major championship for Buffalo. ( I do remember the Bills winning the AFL Championship in 63 and 64) I am now convinced I will never see another in my lifetime. Your sig line will be there forever. I'm from Buffalo and support all their teams.
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • Not the prettiest card I've ever seen... but now I've got the big three of all time pitchers....Matty, Cy, and now the Big Train.

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  • mkg809mkg809 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭
    Man, everytime I see that Egan card it gives me the creeps!
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