1953 Topps Lottery- is anyone buying this?
natetrook
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This auction is randomly auctioning a high grade 1953 Topps set for $165 per card.
Your $165 could buy you a high grade mantle or mays or a $30 common.
He says it's randomly assigned, but what happens if he stops only after a few sales because of lack of interest.
Would think this is very hard to run to completion. What's to stop his friends from getting the best cards.
would think the 1st dozen or so would be dumps, so as to increase the momentum to get more people to buy,
hoping their odds would be better.
Don't know the seller, but does anyone think this could be successful?
Nate
1953 set breakup
Your $165 could buy you a high grade mantle or mays or a $30 common.
He says it's randomly assigned, but what happens if he stops only after a few sales because of lack of interest.
Would think this is very hard to run to completion. What's to stop his friends from getting the best cards.
would think the 1st dozen or so would be dumps, so as to increase the momentum to get more people to buy,
hoping their odds would be better.
Don't know the seller, but does anyone think this could be successful?
Nate
1953 set breakup
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Dan
Not sure that it is a scam. Guy is a board member. Benefit of the doubt should be given here. Perhaps 53toppscollector is just being creative? The description points everything out. While I will not be buying I wish him luck. Not all on ebay are scammers, especially those that spell it out as he has done.
give the guy a break, before we accuse and say that his auction is an absolute scam.
as for it being against ebay policy..............I have no idea.
Steve
edited to add: I would suggest the seller scan every card in the registry that way potential buyers could see them.
again, best of luck to a fellow registry collector.
There are as of today 21,485 board members. Considering all the scams on ebay and that this person is a board member, actually makes me more suspicious. He should know better than to present an auction such as this in which I can't remember ever seeing one that turned out to be legitimate in the true sense of the word.
The bottom line is that he and all other selling ebayers are selling for MONEY, and to make as much PROFIT as possible - don't ever forget that. A person with a legitimate set such as this would definitely realize more MONEY if each card was sold individually for what it is. However, setting up an auction like this which again in my opinion is a scam, the seller probably has calculated that he will make more PROFIT.
It most probably is not a "pure" scam whereby nothing or something else will be shipped. I do believe that at least the common cards will be shipped. I don't believe though that anybody this seller doesn't know will receive the most expensive cards.
The only way, and I do mean the only way to really legitimize an auction such as this would be to have an independent reputable third party of some sort validate that the cards are real, as well as also do the totally random shipping for the seller.
Perhaps this auction will be the exception and
"Guy" is presenting an honest auction exactly as the auction states - certainly anything is possible. But I for sure won't be bidding. Anybody else is free to do whatever they want to - it's their choice.
Note that this is all my opinion based on a lot of experience on ebay and I am simply presenting my point of view. I don't know the seller in any way, shape or form - so don't kill the messenger!
Some interesting possibilities have been presented. (above)
I'd like to know how in the world all the cards can be sold withing 1 auction?
My gut feeling here is that it is not a scam in any sense, but a creative way to sell a REGISTRY SET.
Yes MONEY and PROFIT is a motive.
Steve
edited to add: I will not be buying either
When all the store owners used to raffle off the 1992 Topps Gold Baseball singles. They would buy the sets at $150 (yes, they were that high once..lol)....and then put 792 numbers in a hat and charge $1 a number...some dealers went 2 numbers for a dollar. Great profit margin either way...and they used to stand in line to pick numbers...
It was all the rage to hit the Gold Griffey, Ryan or Thomas...the big hit...Brian Taylor.....lol
ahhhhhhhh, the good old days....
If the whole thing is legit, I think it's a great idea.
... and, i'm even tempted to buy!
-t
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
Maybe he'll get an offer on the whole set this way too?
Collecting:
Brett Favre Master Set
Favre Ticket Stubs
Favre TD Reciever Autos
Football HOF Player/etc. Auto Set
Football HOF Rc's
Edited to add: Seller responded that he doesn't do local pickups.
(If you want peace, prepare for War).........Semper Fi
I've emailed him to find out exactly how his "random" process works. I want to know how he created the order for the cards going out and whether or not that order is "fixed" from the beginning (i.e. .. if Mantle is assigned to winner #18 initially, will that be maintained no matter what and, secondly, how was it determined that Mantle was assigned slot #18).
I'll post his response.
-t
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
<< <i>The more I look at this, the more I think it is legit.
I've emailed him to find out exactly how his "random" process works. I want to know how he created the order for the cards going out and whether or not that order is "fixed" from the beginning (i.e. .. if Mantle is assigned to winner #18 initially, will that be maintained no matter what and, secondly, how was it determined that Mantle was assigned slot #18).
I'll post his response.
-t >>
The sellers reply to my question:
The random process was me asking my wife to randomly pick #s out of the hat 274 of them. If Mantle goes 18 he goes 18. It is all a matter of luck. I cannot divulge details but I can tell you the big dollar cards are spread evenly and are not back loaded only. good luck
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
Man, that's one big hat. - LOL
I have no idea (as i have not done the math) if 165.00 per card is a value or not.
I have no idea what a 6.71 53 set is valued at either.
I do think though that selling each card on its own would be better then this random auction.
Steve
hope our fellow reg. participant does well.
Steve
However, after checking ebay prices it looks as though PSA 6's go for around $20 and PSA 8's go for around $80 ... making the $165 "gamble" a lot less attractive.
I've had a few conversations with the seller however and believe it is 100% legit. He said he'd break it up and sell the cards individually if he doesn't get a big enough response to this auction.
-t
------- 1960 Topps Baseball PSA 8+
------- 1985 Topps Hockey PSA 9+
Will all of the cards be mailed out..yes, will all of the money be collected at $165 per card...definite yes.
But, what are your real chances of getting the Mantle or Mays, I think greater than a 1 in 274 chance.
There may be some pre-arrangement, wink wink, from friends of the seller to pull a good card.
How easy would it be to make a few changes, so a buyer of 10 cards would get something big enough so
not to complain, and a buyer of 1 card, gets a " sorry, try again" card. I think the high dollar cards will go
to pre-determined bidders, and will not be completely random.
Nate
that wiggle room is what could possibly hurt this auction process.
it would be a .... buying 10 lots for 1650.00 and getting 10 psa 6 commons valued at 300.00-400.00 dollars.
Steve
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funny thing is that if you click on the original link it brings you to the original auction and nowhere there does it say item has been relisted. is the guy running 2 auctions? only there does one see that seller has other items.
SD
that in and of itself would make me shy away.
Steve