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Minnesota extra Tree!! PCGS thoughs a curve!!

Pcgs will grade extra trees for there standard error grading fee. that will have extra only on the slab! If you want DDR numbers also on the slab, the grading fee doubles.

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  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    I have a submission in house that has been confirmed as being charged the MODERN fee -and will list Extra Tree and Die Number.

    I dont know where you have rec'd your info, but it is not accurate.
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    I talked for quite a period of time with the customer service managers there, and the fee is Modern fee - $14 per coin, no extra fees involved.

    Clearly indicate that you want Extra Tree and Die Number on the slab (on the invoice).
  • PCGS called me 9/1/2006 to tell me of the change. I had to agree to the extra charge before they would put the ddr numbers on & finish my submission.
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    Well, I hope you gave them some heat. They agreed when they acceped my submission of the charge.

    I talked with many people over here, I think they burned you for some extra bucks.

    First, I phoned before I submitted on 8/10 to get the pricing right. I thought they would charge Error fees and Variety Review.

    They clearly said that Mint Errors were not for these coins, these were recognized DDR's that Ron Guth agreed to grade through PCGS and since the variety numbers were being sourced from a database - no variety fee either.

    I would complain to the Prez.
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    At the worst, they should have went in under Error Economy @18.
  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    First rule of thumb, never believe anything PCGS customer service says. They give out plenty of wrong information no matter how many people or how high up you go. I've worked with a CS manager that gave out totally wrong information.
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    OK Coinmaster, what did you pay?

    And what the heck is "Error-Economy"? There's "error" and there's "economy" but I've never heard of combining the two?
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  • Well i did summit a bulk submission. I called first to see if they would accept bulk error submisions, after a 5 minute waiting i was told to send them in. they are all the same veriety so it should have been easy. then about three weeks ago, they called me to say extra tree only on the slab. i agreed. a few days later they called me to say new ruling, ddr`s will be on the slabs after all now. i said grate! did not discuss money at that time. but bulk grades have cost me $8.00 per coin for commemorative`s I have graded in the past. then friday they told me bulk grades $10.00 each for Extra tree designation only. and $10.00 more per coin ( total of $20.00 ) if you want DDR designations also.
  • Look on a Error submission form on PCGS web site for members.
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    Coinmaster - you had me worried - thought you paid much more then $20.

    I paid $14 image

    And I went though MANY people at Customer Service, including the office manager, who put the question to Ron Guth. I was probably the first to ensure that the Die Number would be on the insert.

    After all the fuss - they were very accomodating and ensured that they were offering graading of the Extra Tree Qtrs including labelinging them as such on thier inserts - along with the Die Number - for the regular service level price. In my case $14.

  • I was told that regular service would cost a double grading fee also. that is grading $14.00 for grade and extra tree designation. with DDR service an aditional fee of $14.00 for a total of $28.00. they may however honor earlier orders i don`t know. but if bulk service for DDR grading is going to be $20.00 per coin, they can not offer regular service for $14.00. after all, bulk service is 100 or more coins!
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    I'm now anxious to see how this works out. I went through a bunch of BS just getting them to agree the service level for the coins.

    They agreed and charged the CC.

    Did you at least go up the chain of command there to get a final verdict before spending $20 instead of $10 per coin? It just doesnt sound right. Sounds like someone over there was improvising....coming up with some charge that made sense.

    Like I said before - thier "Error-Economy" service level @ $18 makes more sense than $20.

    I gave them every chance to charge me at a higher service level, but they said "no, it will be designated on the insert "Extra Tree and Die #" for Regular Service Level $$. I expect to pay only $14 per coin.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,473 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, I hope you gave them some heat. They agreed when they acceped my submission of the charge.

    I talked with many people over here, I think they burned you for some extra bucks.

    First, I phoned before I submitted on 8/10 to get the pricing right. I thought they would charge Error fees and Variety Review.

    They clearly said that Mint Errors were not for these coins, these were recognized DDR's that Ron Guth agreed to grade through PCGS and since the variety numbers were being sourced from a database - no variety fee either.

    I would complain to the Prez. >>





    do you think you could write them for me ? complain to who ?

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  • I talked to the bulk department manager, Ted robinson. I beleave that PCGS was holding orders for the last several weeks while discussing what to charge. there are over 30 varieties now, determining the proper variety is getting increasingly more dificult. he told me charges for regular submissions are going to set up simularly. i am not sure if anyone will be grandfathered in at old prices. but new submission with DDR numbers on the slab, will cost at leased $28.00 each or more.
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  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    PCGS did not hold any orders. The process and method (service level) was communicated on 8/15.

    I confirmed with thier management on 8/15 the process and what service level to submit these DDR's under. There was a mixup and thier Newport Beach home office did not know of the process with these quarters until Ron Guth communicated it to them around 8/15 from the ANA.

    Whatever they do now, I believe that I am grandfathered in @ $14 per coin. Let's face it guys, they dont charge you double fees to certify a 1972/72 DDO - why would they charge you extra for this one. In fact -ANACS has followed PCGS's lead and only charges the service level fee w/o add-ons as well.

    If you submitted before the PCGS formal announcement that they would certify these as Extra Tree and include the Die Number on the Insert, then I guess you should call them to work it out.

    I don't know what Coinmaster worked out on his submission, but it appears as though he was paying a bulk rate to begin with ($8) and PCGS would not accept that to certify these coins. He should have never paid more than $14. They ripped you for $6 per coin.

    Anyone who submits these for grading - please call PCGS and work out the details before they process the order. It certainly helps.

  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    discussing what to charge. there are over 30 varieties now, determining the proper variety is getting increasingly more dificult.

    As far as this comment is concerned - PCGS has to have a screw loose - these varieties are published to a common database for all services to view at the click of a mouse.......real hard to determine which one you have?????????
  • well time will tell!
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Next step, registry sets in high grades for all 30+ varieties.
    NGC will begin making the 2 ft by 1 ft holder any time now. Those will run around $150.

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  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    I believe the next step is all minor varieties get ignored and DDR #1 and DDR #3 and maybe 2005-D DDR #1 get recognized as the most prominent and trading in those gets stronger. It is a little silly with all of the minor doubling even calling those DDR's.
  • Ken potter told me the major varieties in his opinion are DDR`S 1,2,4, & 7 in Philadelphia.
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    DDR #1 and DDR #3 are the most prominent varieties of the P Mint MINN's. Let's face it - DDR # 1, DDR # 4 and DDR #7 are very close to looking the same to the average collector who wants one for his set. In this scenario, DDR #1 will be the keeper for the so-called "floating tree" type - it was the first ID'd and it is very prominent looking. DDR #2 has some promise as the tree protrudes from the rock, but again, if you want a detached or floating tree - go with DDR #1.

    DDR #3 is the only full top to bottom right side of tree classic looking double die. Since it is the classic appearance of a double die (people do not think of these detached floaters as double dies) it will be popular. Also, since it is not detached, it is difficult to see without aid of a 16x + glass - there aren't going to be many found in unc condition. I think this variety will have a low pop. in the end.

    The best thing that can happen to these Extra Tree's now is for someone to "promote" them nationally, set a reasonable price - and see which one's are the most popular. Some of the DDR's are just silly looking.

    I think that recognizing around 30 of these has killed the goose that laid the golden egg. The author should have thought about that situation first.............
  • I wonder, will PCGS list all varieties in there pop report?
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    that would be nice to see in the pop report
  • I sent PCGS an E-mail. we will see what there responce is?

    Wish to know cost to grade Minnesota errors. How much to grade Extra Tree only! also is there an extra charge to get DDr numbers on the slab. Do you grade all known varieties.how long does it take to turn them around?
  • PCGS reply`s to my question!!

    Hello,



    Thank you for contacting PCGS Customer Service. You will need to pay for the grading service plus the variety attribution. For example if you submit thru Modern Service which is $14 per coin plus Variety Attribution $15 per coin so a total of $29 per coin. If you have any further questions or concerns please contact PCGS Customer Service at 1-800-447-8848.



    Thank you,



    Sonia Luque

    Customer Service




  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    Bad info. Carol said no additional fees.

    Doesnt surprise me. Call PCGS and talk to any Customer Service Rep and you'll get a diff answer.

    The explicitly do NOT fall into variety Attribution. I paid $14 per coin.

    You have to go right to the top.

  • Did they ship your coins yet? also what date did you submit them. I submitted 5 coins in the error service on 7/16/2006 $18.00 a coin & no results yet. however my bulk submission i sent 8/2/2006 has been graded & is on its way back to me now. Hope you get yours for 14.00 each, but that price should not last long!
    When talked to bulk service. I told them that was not interested in paying $20.00 a coin for 100 or more coins, when regular service cost $14.00. after all, you only go to bulk service to save money when you have quantity! they assured me that no one would get these graded at PCGS with variety Attribution for less than $20.00
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    well, no coins back yet, but i've ben charged and they will have DDR Die # on the label.....
    like i said before, if economy for these is at $14, bulk should be no more than $10.
  • What Die Variety do you expect? I put some in that were Designated DDR#3 by PCGS, I thought they were something else.
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    Die 1 & 3.
  • Received this E-mail from PCGS today!

    Hello



    In reference to submission #9054943, this order does need to go through the variety service (additional $15/coin) in order to get recognized as an extra tree. Please email me back authorization to charge you Master card ending in 6240 an additional $75 for this service.



    If you have any questions feel free to call me at 1-800-447-8848 ext 168 or email me at Araceli@collectors.com



    Thank you,

    Araceli Flores


  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    Talked to PCGS yesterday after they contacted me to charge me an additional fee - however,

    after a short discussion and reminding them who agreed to certify at the regular service level - the rep was off to have the manager sign off on the submission w/o additional fee. I have not heard anything back yet.
  • The post of Araceli's e-mail is the correct information.

    If you want the variety recognized the fee is an additional $15 per coin plus the grading fee. You can use the variety service on any of the service levels but it will void the turn around guarantee.

    Any coins sent in through this service should be on their own form.

    Carol


  • << <i>Bad info. Carol said no additional fees.

    Doesnt surprise me. Call PCGS and talk to any Customer Service Rep and you'll get a diff answer.

    The explicitly do NOT fall into variety Attribution. I paid $14 per coin.

    You have to go right to the top. >>



    Did you talk to me or Carolyn in customer service?

    The only person I have talked to this weeke regarding it I told to call on Monday once Long Beach was done because I didn't have the info at that time.

    Carol
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    Coinmaster - did you get your grades online yet for the extra tree qtrs?

    If so, did the online site list the Die Number or did it just have Minn Extra Tree?

    By the way, I spoke to Araceli and they waived the $15 xtra per coin. Next time I have to pay the xtra fee. No more free rides.
  • Yes I received my coins last week! They say Extra tree DDR-007 $20.00 each. glad you got a break on fee`s.
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    Mine are DDR3 and have the designation. Should have them in a few days.

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