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The multitude of MOC threads are an embarrasment to the collecting community.
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Talk about beating a dead horse!!!
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Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>It's sad that, when someone comes clean, that's interpreted as a green light to pile on, yet those who don't come clean are treated with kid gloves. >>
Indeed!
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<< <i>The multitude of MOC threads are an embarrasment to the collecting community. >>
I totally disagree with you. I think a more accurate statement would be that MOC is an ebarrasment to the collecting community.
wrong is wrong and he deserves every bit of it.
and as long as people keep bringing it up or bringing up the dead horse issue.....
pile it on.
hi, i'm tom.
i do not doctor coins like some who post in here.
<< <i>you guys are quick to forgive.
wrong is wrong and he deserves every bit of it.
and as long as people keep bringing it up or bringing up the dead horse issue.....
pile it on. >>
We're not saying he did no wrong. He's copped to it. People have had their say. Why keep pounding him? What happened to the blue IHC thing? One day and gone. Greg Margulies bragged about it, and he got infinitely less than this.
Specializing in 1854 and 1855 large FE patterns
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<< <i>you guys are quick to forgive.
wrong is wrong and he deserves every bit of it.
and as long as people keep bringing it up or bringing up the dead horse issue.....
pile it on. >>
What a bonehead!!!
hi, i'm tom.
i do not doctor coins like some who post in here.
<< <i>you guys are quick to forgive.
wrong is wrong and he deserves every bit of it.
and as long as people keep bringing it up or bringing up the dead horse issue.....
pile it on. >>
<< <i> What a bonehead!!!
I think “what a sh!thead!!!” is more appropriate!!
honor among thieves?
so let's resort to name calling.
hi, i'm tom.
i do not doctor coins like some who post in here.
<< <i>me thinks those so quick to forgive might be up to no good themselves.
honor among thieves?
so let's resort to name calling. >>
I already did, you boneheaded dipstick!!
<< <i>We're not saying he did no wrong. He's copped to it. People have had their say. Why keep pounding him? What happened to the blue IHC thing? One day and gone. Greg Margulies bragged about it, and he got infinitely less than this. >>
And, he writes a big long diatribe on a thread across the street basically telling everyone they don't know what the hell they're talking about, seemingly looking down his nose at us.
<< <i>me thinks those so quick to forgive might be up to no good themselves.
honor among thieves? >>
Or, alternatively, the ones bashing him the most are the ones hoping to deflect attention from their own misdeeds.
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<< <i> me thinks those so quick to forgive might be up to no good themselves.
honor among thieves?
so let's resort to name calling. >>
In my experience, I have found just the opposite true. I have never met a drunk driver that didn’t insist he was sober, the ones that scream the loudest to crucify someone else are usually the ones that have something to hide, or they are like you 13PacesEastand have such a low self esteem of themselves that the only way they can feel good is to keep kicking someone else when they are down.
I don't think it's meaningless at all- I think you want it to be meaningless, dizzyfox, because it deals directly with toned coins- a segment of the hobby that you are strongly invested in. It's just a piece of the puzzle, and it's indicating that there are a lot of fraud problems in this hobby- and they're likely to keep getting worse as technology improves....
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<< <i>The multitude of MOC threads are an embarrasment to the collecting community. >>
I totally disagree with you. I think a more accurate statement would be that MOC is an ebarrasment to the collecting community. >>
WORD.
<< <i>I think you want it to be meaningless, dizzyfox, because it deals directly with toned coins- a segment of the hobby that you are strongly invested in. It's just a piece of the puzzle, and it's indicating that there are a lot of fraud problems in this hobby- and they're likely to keep getting worse as technology improves.... >>
<< <i>We're not saying he did no wrong. He's copped to it. People have had their say. Why keep pounding him? >>
Because it makes little people feel bigger
<< <i>Is everyone finally realizing just how realistically meaningless this whole thing is in the grand scheme of things? Just absolutely ridiculous the hype it created and I don't know why I'm even responding here regarding it........... again.
I could not disagree more. I don't need to relive this everyday, but the event is not insignificant, and it is not going away, and I do expect PCGS to remove its head from the sand and at some point say something, which may help clarify where this event stands "in the grand scheme of things."
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<< <i>Is everyone finally realizing just how realistically meaningless this whole thing is in the grand scheme of things? Just absolutely ridiculous the hype it created and I don't know why I'm even responding here regarding it........... again.
I could not disagree more. I don't need to relive this everyday, but the event is not insignificant, and it is not going away, and I do expect PCGS to remove its head from the sand and at some point say something, which may help clarify where this event stands "in the grand scheme of things." >>
You're dreamin'!!!
<< <i>you guys are quick to forgive.
wrong is wrong and he deserves every bit of it.
and as long as people keep bringing it up or bringing up the dead horse issue.....
pile it on. >>
Although I have previously stated that i think this whole subject is a tempest in a teapot, your thoughtless post is whongheaded and no more than I've come to expect from you. Unlike the posts from the others in this thread, you are a troll that has never posted anything that has added value to my experience here. Bugger off.
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<< <i>you guys are quick to forgive.
wrong is wrong and he deserves every bit of it.
and as long as people keep bringing it up or bringing up the dead horse issue.....
pile it on. >>
Although I have previously stated that i think this whole subject is a tempest in a teapot, your thoughtless post is whongheaded and no more than I've come to expect from you. Unlike the posts from the others in this thread, you are a troll that has never posted anything that has added value to my experience here. Bugger off. >>
thoughtless?
i thought at least 30 seconds before i posted it.
wrongheaded? maybe in your eyes. but not in mine and several others.
troll? there's that name calling thing again.
value to your experience here? and you are......? and you mean what to me?
bugger off? bugger off? wtf? british wanker?
hi, i'm tom.
i do not doctor coins like some who post in here.
<< <i>It's sad that, when someone comes clean, that's interpreted as a green light to pile on, yet those who don't come clean are treated with kid gloves. >>
I agree.
It's more disturbing that many have completely lost their perspective on this. He wasn't eating
babies or littering. Those who bought the coins have a real problem and a right to very negative
attitudes but even here he has offered to buy back the coins.
This "crime", while not minor to those on a coin collecting forum, is certainly not of the magnitude
that I can wish him ill. He's trying to make amends so let's give him a chance at least. Even if he
hadn't been a first rate collector and poster, he deserves a chance.
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<< <i>you guys are quick to forgive.
wrong is wrong and he deserves every bit of it.
and as long as people keep bringing it up or bringing up the dead horse issue.....
pile it on. >>
Although I have previously stated that i think this whole subject is a tempest in a teapot, your thoughtless post is whongheaded and no more than I've come to expect from you. Unlike the posts from the others in this thread, you are a troll that has never posted anything that has added value to my experience here. Bugger off. >>
thoughtless?
i thought at least 30 seconds before i posted it.
wrongheaded? maybe in your eyes. but not in mine and several others.
troll? there's that name calling thing again.
value to your experience here? and you are......? and you mean what to me?
bugger off? bugger off? wtf? british wanker? >>
You're an idiot.
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<< <i>Is everyone finally realizing just how realistically meaningless this whole thing is in the grand scheme of things? Just absolutely ridiculous the hype it created and I don't know why I'm even responding here regarding it........... again.
I could not disagree more. I don't need to relive this everyday, but the event is not insignificant, and it is not going away, and I do expect PCGS to remove its head from the sand and at some point say something, which may help clarify where this event stands "in the grand scheme of things." >>
You're dreamin'!!! >>
Please clarify so I can meaningfully respond.
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<< <i>Is everyone finally realizing just how realistically meaningless this whole thing is in the grand scheme of things? Just absolutely ridiculous the hype it created and I don't know why I'm even responding here regarding it........... again.
I could not disagree more. I don't need to relive this everyday, but the event is not insignificant, and it is not going away, and I do expect PCGS to remove its head from the sand and at some point say something, which may help clarify where this event stands "in the grand scheme of things." >>
You're dreamin'!!! >>
Please clarify so I can meaningfully respond. >>
You're dreamin'! It is meant to mean you are talking about something you have absplutely no knowledge of!
<< <i>If someone with the intelligence of MOC can doctor a slabbed coin, we haven't heard the end of this business, which serves as a long term threat to you, me, and the company with a guaranty on the pre-doctored coins. >>
For Christ sakes man, this toning chit has been going on forever. Why would PCGS now suddenly decide to go after a small timer when there are very large fish out there???
Think, man, think!!!
<< <i>I'm with Ken, Drop it. >>
But he's just drawing more attention to it.
Pot, kettle, black.
<< <i>You guys are quick to forgive.
wrong is wrong and he deserves every bit of it.
and as long as people keep bringing it up or bringing up the dead horse issue.....
pile it on. >>
Sheesh...must be nice to never have made a mistake or done anything wrong. Even sh*t will dry up when it's stirred too long. As far as I am concerned, it's over.
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<< <i>I'm with Ken, Drop it. >>
But he's just drawing more attention to it.
Pot, kettle, black. >>
Louis, go stir the OF. I've got things under control here!!
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<< <i>If someone with the intelligence of MOC can doctor a slabbed coin, we haven't heard the end of this business, which serves as a long term threat to you, me, and the company with a guaranty on the pre-doctored coins. >>
For Christ sakes man, this toning chit has been going on forever. Why would PCGS now suddenly decide to go after a small timer when there are very large fish out there???
Think, man, think!!!
Toning "chit" has indeed been going on forever, but the issue here is toning while the coin remains in a PCGS slab. A coin that met with the PCGS stamp of approval is now a different coin, but in the slab there is the false appearance the PCGS has approved the coin and the toning. This is a misrepresentation and a fraud. PCGS should want to clean that up for your sake and for mine. I happen to have first generation holdered coins. Maybe PCGS will offer to waive submission fees for the submission of first generation holdered coins. I could see this going in a lot of directions. If you are so disinterested in the subject, for "Christ sakes" focus your attention on other threads or other hobbies.
is almost infinate.
Camelot
<< <i>Once a thief, always a thief, I don't believe a zerba can change it's stripes Mark my words, he will be reincarnated under a different ID, here as well as on eBay. >>
I haven't been watching this closely. Are we talking about a new ID just to avoid the controversy, or did the guy somehow get bammed?
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<< <i>I'm with Ken, Drop it. >>
But he's just drawing more attention to it.
Pot, kettle, black. >>
Louis, go stir the OF. I've got things under control here!!
Chit stirin old fart!!
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<< <i>If someone with the intelligence of MOC can doctor a slabbed coin, we haven't heard the end of this business, which serves as a long term threat to you, me, and the company with a guaranty on the pre-doctored coins. >>
For Christ sakes man, this toning chit has been going on forever. Why would PCGS now suddenly decide to go after a small timer when there are very large fish out there???
Think, man, think!!!
Toning "chit" has indeed been going on forever, but the issue here is toning while the coin remains in a PCGS slab. A coin that met with the PCGS stamp of approval is now a different coin, but in the slab there is the false appearance the PCGS has approved the coin and the toning. This is a misrepresentation and a fraud. PCGS should want to clean that up for your sake and for mine. I happen to have first generation holdered coins. Maybe PCGS will offer to waive submission fees for the submission of first generation holdered coins. I could see this going in a lot of directions. If you are so disinterested in the subject, for "Christ sakes" focus your attention on other threads or other hobbies. >>
You are indeed in another world. These type slabs have been tampered with since day one. And probably even other generation slabs. PCGS is quiet for a reason. The reason is for lack of anything to do about it.
This isn't Hansel and Grettle, or Grimms Fairy Tales, but the real world.
<< <i>PCGS is quiet for a reason. The reason is for lack of anything to do about it. >>
I hear you loud and clear.
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<< <i>PCGS is quiet for a reason. The reason is for lack of anything to do about it. >>
I hear you loud and clear.
The only thing you've heard today is your own lips a flappin'
<< <i>but the issue here is toning while the coin remains in a PCGS slab. >>
Lava,
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that this is something new.
Russ, NCNE