Question about AT and why/how it upsets people

LanLord

Sorry if this is yet another AT post, this just kinda popped into my head and I needed to hear what others had to say.

In a coins lifetime, lots of things can and do happen to it/them.

They can sit on a shelf in someone's smoky library or den (likely back in the 1800s and early 1900s)
accidents could happen (floods, humidity, getting dropped, fingerprints, the list goes on and on)
As they get passed from one owner to the next, no end of changes can happen.

Now we have the issue of AT. I'm not standing up for these people, but isn't it just a case of another thing that
happens to a coin in it's lifetime?

In 100 years is someone gonna look at some of the things we are looking at with a scornful eye and say, " yep, someone ruined that a few decades ago!"?

Or is it likely to be that it will be just another layer of history on some coins and no one will know the difference?

Steve27

"Or is it likely to be that it will be just another layer of history on some coins and no one will know the difference? "

Yep, unless it gets stored in a PVC flip.

curly

I saw on the Science Channel the other day that the sun is going to expand so huge that it will engulf the earth. So, I guess, in the long run it doesn't really matter.

DAM

I think the toning argument would be better served by changing the reference from Artificial Toning or Natural Toning, to:

Accidental Toning (or leave it as is... Natural Toning)
or
Intentiional Toning

Accidental (or Natural) toning covers toning resulting from anything that happens naturally; storage, handling, environmental issues, etc.

Intentional Toning covers toning when a coin is intentionally "doctored".

Intentionally placing a coin in a coin album known for toning coins could also be considered a form of doctoring. But that's not the type of doctoring that's been discussed recently.

TwoSides2aCoin

A coin is a coin until it's had some one's mitts on it. Or after it's been exposed to adverse conditions.

After that, anything can happen and usually does.

There is something truthful about the phrase: "it's spent".

coinguy1

<<Question about AT and why/how it upsets people>>

Speaking for myself only.....What bothers me about AT'ing coins (and so many other things that are done, for that matter) is the notion that someone is trying to deceive someone else and benefit/profit by it in some way, at the other person's expense. It's dishonest, unethical and just plain wrong, in my opinion.

Russ

AT itself doesn't bother me. The use of it fraudulently does.

Russ, NCNE

Baley

I saw on the Science Channel the other day that the sun is going to expand so huge that it will engulf the earth. So, I guess, in the long run it doesn't really matter.

Yes, in college astronomy class, we were discussing when the sun would go red giant, the professor said it would be in 5 billion years.

One student raised her hand, asked, did he say Million or Billion?? Teacher replied, "Billion"

Student said, "Whew!"

Same student later asked, with a straight face, "do you think they'll ever send a probe to Uranus?"

BobaFett72

I think the issue of integrity spurs a lot of debate on this issue. Another point is the exhorbanent premium for color on coins. Ive shown a lot of co-workers this site and in particular the colored coins. They ooh and ahh! but more often than not, they say, " is that fake"? The MOC coins didnt look all that great and they didnt bring good money over what he paid for them. Seems like a bad decision on his part, but he is paying the price now. Of bigger concern is the coins like the Mood Ring Peace Dollar, it just looked so God awful! I couldnt believe it got graded in the first place, and got a Star designation. I think I missed out on the hype of the blue Indian.... at least that one was more visually appealing, but certainly not worth the price. I personally like some good ol crusty coins with wear on them and a hint of color, but thats just me.