OK.. now I have a AT question??

jamakin · August 30, 2006 9:38AM

I posted this image of a coin i bought because i loved it AT or NT.
Now that I am more computer savy I can post a better picture.
If you think it AT please tell my what the tell tale signs are.

I bought it thinking is probably was. The small untoned circles between the "TY " of liberty is what I thought most unnatural and a sign of doctering. Was i correct in thinking that?

so what do the experts think?

Leiana · August 30, 2006 9:40AM

It doesn't have the proper color progression, I think. I have seen very similar coins that are definitely AT.

-Amanda

nankraut · August 30, 2006 9:43AM

Almost certainly AT, for the reasons you stated. Ugly too, for a 20yr old coin, IMHO.

Russ · August 30, 2006 9:43AM

It's natural toning from album storage.

Russ, NCNE

LanLord · August 30, 2006 9:44AM

It could be AT, but it is pretty cool looking. If it wasn't too expensive, I wouldn't sweat it, if it was, then I don't know what to say.

Leiana · August 30, 2006 9:46AM

<< It's natural toning from album storage.

Russ, NCNE >>

This is why I don't buy toned coins. I can't tell the difference!

-Amanda

Bunker · August 30, 2006 9:47AM

I dont know but it sho is purdy!

jamakin · August 30, 2006 9:49AM

<< It's natural toning from album storage.

Russ, NCNE >>

Russ ,that was sarcasim right?

Russ · August 30, 2006 9:50AM

<< << It's natural toning from album storage.

Russ, NCNE >>

This is why I don't buy toned coins. I can't tell the difference! >>

Remember, it's a proof. They frequently, (but, not always), tone differently than business strikes because the planchets are processed differently. As for the little untoned dots he mentioned, that's easily caused by something that was on the coin prior to storage in an album.

I'm assuming, though, that the reverse is mostly white. If it's toned the same, all bets are off.

Russ, NCNE

Russ · August 30, 2006 9:51AM

<< << It's natural toning from album storage.

Russ, NCNE >>

Russ ,that was sarcasim right? >>

No. As long as the reverse is mostly white, I'm quite comfortable with it being album toning.

Russ, NCNE

jamakin · August 30, 2006 9:52AM

thks bunker
It is one of my favorite coins.

Newb · August 30, 2006 9:54AM

It's cool looking...either looks like a fire or a sunrise. Depends on whether you're a glass half full or half empty type. Be a good Rorschach test.

jamakin · August 30, 2006 9:55AM

Nice to know that you think so Russ.
I will try to post the reverse soon.
the reverse has some light hazing but no real color.

Russ · August 30, 2006 9:58AM

<< the reverse has some light hazing but no real color. >>

The light hazing is another indication of album storage.

Russ, NCNE

Leiana · August 30, 2006 9:58AM

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<< the reverse has some light hazing but no real color. >>

The light hazing is another indication of album storage.

Russ, NCNE >>

Like in a Dansco Album?

-Amanda

mcmxi · August 30, 2006 9:59AM

If you like it Who cares? This whole AT/NT thing can be solved by buying what you like. A toned coin is a toned coin does it really matter how long it took to get there?

jamakin · August 30, 2006 10:04AM

ok heres a picture of the reverse:

Russ · August 30, 2006 10:06AM

<< Like in a Dansco Album? >>

Dansco's are notorious for ruining proof coins, but the same thing can happen with similar albums. Most of the time the coins turn crappy, but occasionally a pretty one will emerge.

Russ, NCNE

Leiana · August 30, 2006 10:08AM

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<< Like in a Dansco Album? >>

Dansco's are notorious for ruining proof coins, but the same thing can happen with similar albums. Most of the time the coins turn crappy, but occasionally a pretty one will emerge.

Russ, NCNE >>

I have a few proofs in my 7070!

Does it make a difference if I keep it in that special slipcase?

Thanks,

-Amanda

DieClash · August 30, 2006 10:09AM

<< If you like it Who cares? This whole AT/NT thing can be solved by buying what you like. A toned coin is a toned coin does it really matter how long it took to get there? >>

I tend to agree. Although some attempts at acclerating the process make for some fugly looking coins. It's all in the eye-appeal.

lkenefic · August 30, 2006 10:10AM

<< 

<< It's natural toning from album storage.

Russ, NCNE >>

This is why I don't buy toned coins. I can't tell the difference!

-Amanda >>

I'm in the same boat. I've been looking at these things off and on for about 30 years and I still can't tell the difference. Older "cruddy" silver just looks right to me. I do know a blast white Morgan when I see one and I can tell when thry've been dipped, but the wild colored stuff I tend to avoid.

Leo

jamakin · August 30, 2006 10:12AM

If you like it Who cares? This whole AT/NT thing can be solved by buying what you like. A toned coin is a toned coin does it really matter how long it took to get there

mcmxi ,
I really don't care if others like my coin or not but I do care that I learn what is blatent AT and what is plausible NT.

Knowledge is power.

Craton · August 30, 2006 10:12AM

<< It's natural toning from album storage.

Russ, NCNE >>

I say it's "envelope" storage ........

EDIT: ..... I didn't notice the reverse was white

I agree with Russle......

Russ · August 30, 2006 10:15AM

<< Does it make a difference if I keep it in that special slipcase? >>

Is that the archival quality slipcase? If so, it'll probably slow the process down, but there's still the pages themselves to worry about. But, storage environment is also a big factor.

Russ, NCNE

stimmy · August 30, 2006 10:15AM

To reply to your question AT or NT; it looks AT to me. Very nice coin but all the toning is to the inner (field) obverse on the coin; not the raised minted portions of the coin. If NT; all portions would tone equally. I’ve had 100% NT coins graded as AT by PCGS and NGC. So in the end who really knows. If you like it; buy it.

DieClash · August 30, 2006 10:17AM

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<< the reverse has some light hazing but no real color. >>

The light hazing is another indication of album storage.

Russ, NCNE >>

Do people really store proof Commems in an album?

I have proof clad and silver non-commemorative coins that were in a Whitman album for over 20 years. Many of the older coins developed haze and toning, especially the silver pieces. Most of the toning began from the Rim inward and it was dark blue nearst the rim changing to lighter shades of golden toning toward the center. None of the affected coins exhibit full toning across the field and devices like this one though. Also, most of the coins 15 years and newer show little haze and no toning at all. I moved all my uncirculated, proof and silver sets from Whitman Classic albums into Intercept Shields two years ago. I guess another 2 decades will tell if this arrests the problem and prevents the new additions from hazing and toning.

Leiana · August 30, 2006 10:18AM

<< 

<< Does it make a difference if I keep it in that special slipcase? >>

Is that the archival quality slipcase? If so, it'll probably slow the process down, but there's still the pages themselves to worry about. But, storage environment is also a big factor.

Russ, NCNE >>

Yeah, the one with the military invented barrier that neutralizes toning agents in the air. I beleive it utilizes copper somehow.

The pages, got it. I should find a better home for my proofs.

Thanks.

-Amanda

Russ · August 30, 2006 10:18AM

<< Very nice coin but all the toning is to the inner (field) obverse on the coin; not the raised minted portions of the coin. >>

Which is precisely the way album toning develops, particularly on proofs with frosted devices.

Russ, NCNE

OK.. now I have a AT question??

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