2003 P Lincoln Cent PCGS MS 70 ....The Holy Grail Of Lincoln Cents ??

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS · August 29, 2006 8:45PM

According to Jaime Hernandez

I will categorically state that I know more about Lincoln cents than Jaime Hernandez will ever know.Is this what PCGS is about ? The certification of high grade MODERN CRAP ? I would like to hear David Hall state that a 2003 P Lincoln cent is the Holy Grail of Lincoln cents.
PCGS has been looking to certify an ms 70 Lincoln cent for 20 years ? Even the submitter Karl Anderson has come out like a modern day P.T. Barnum and stated he is consigning the coin as he has been looking for the BIGGEST SUCKER to pay THE HIGHEST DOLLAR for the coin.
Perhaps some idiot who lives by the ocean will buy it and display it proudly.And when it turns psychedelic in the holder PCGS will buy it back for an amount that dwarfs the price they paid to buy back the 1963 Proof 70 D Cameo Lincoln cent.

What do you think ?

Lord Master Stewart

RBinTex · August 29, 2006 9:13PM

If there's not a bunch more within a year I'd be surprised.

jacktheknife · August 29, 2006 9:21PM

Not sure I would have stated it the same way

, but I totally agree. This is such an incredible joke. I read in another thread that collectors will now be cracking out MS69 coins for resubmission (which, of course, is what the whole thing is about). I just hope that when they crack them out they don't get their "rare" penny mixed up with their pocket change!

Jack

dcgolfer · August 29, 2006 10:57PM

Hi Stewart,

Maybe you should crack out the 1919 and try for a "perfect" 70 grade.

Dan

cladking · August 29, 2006 11:22PM

ROFL.

You guys not only have no concept that coins continued to be made in this
country after 1964 (1959 for Lincolns) but you also have no sense of humor
and no knowledge on the subject.

Sure there will be millions of MS-69's cracked out and resubmitted. Almost
all moderns are MS-69 or MS-70 so one of those MS-69's should be annointed
regardless of its actual condition.

Everyone knows that only coins made before 1964 can be scarce or scarce
in high grade.

There's no need for anyone to collect later coins. If you don't like them then
don't collect them. But if you don't collect them, don't expect those who do to
be stunned by your knowledge of them.

I think an '88-D or '89-D will have a better chance of making MS-70.

homerunhall · August 30, 2006 1:21AM

Stewart...Why are you picking on Jaime? He is intelligent, enthusiast, and learning fast. There a handful of eager young numismatists that represent the future of our hobby/market and Jaime is one of them. I work with him almost every day and I assure everyone reading this post that he is an outstanding up and coming numismatist. Calling Jaime a moron...no a "COMPLETE MORON"...is mean spirited, does not contribute to the health of numismatics and is basically a thing only a person with a moron's ego would do. You are not only out of line...you don't know what you're talking about.

Second...Why don't you pick on someone your own size? Someone with more experience and knowledge? I'm here...right now...and ready. Shall we start by talking about your Presidential Reviews and my opinion of your grading skills?

HRH

Stooge · August 30, 2006 1:51AM

<< Stewart...Why are you picking on Jaime? He is intelligent, enthusiast, and learning fast. There a handful of eager young numismatists that represent the future of our hobby/market and Jaime is one of them. I work with him almost every day and I assure everyone reading this post that he is an outstanding up and coming numismatist. Calling Jaime a moron...no a "COMPLETE MORON"...is mean spirited, does not contribute to the health of numismatics and is basically a thing only a person with a moron's ego would do. You are not only out of line...you don't know what you're talking about.

Second...Why don't you pick on someone your own size? Someone with more experience and knowledge? I'm here...right now...and ready. Shall we start by talking about your Presidential Reviews and my opinion of your grading skills?

HRH >>

I've got my Popcorn and glass of Dad's Rootbeer ready guys! This one should be lots of fun!

Later, Paul.

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS · August 30, 2006 3:41AM

Hi David,

I am completely retracting what I said about Jaime.I have never met him.I would like to hear what YOU have to say about an ms 70 Lincoln cent.Is this the Holy grail ? You can talk about my Presidential reviews and my grading skills.It is good to see you responding.If I am wrong I will publically admit it.If I remember correctly it was I who informed you about the 1963 Proof 70 Lincoln cent .
Why doesn't PCGS grade an 1877 in 67 red or a 1909 VDB in 68 red.I have many coins in my collection that I would publically compare for any PCGS grading set.

Stewart

lloydmincy · August 30, 2006 3:51AM

AWWWWW, Stewart. Just talked with you on the phone. You KNOW what I would say. So I will:

Your coins are worth more than you know what to do with. You are like so many collectors who feel THEIR own coins are undergraded. I have a 1794 Dollar, PCGS VF25, but it should be an AU58!!!

I think most of the 1919 lincoln 68RD's are OVERGRADED, and the 1916 Lincoln 67RD's are undergraded. And since I agree with HRH on your grading skills, if you think your stuff is so great, submit it raw under another name, and see what happens.

I know they will just sit in the NY vaults.

cladking · August 30, 2006 4:33AM

I wonder if Jaime Hernandez might have been using a little hyperbole. Certainly
an MS-70 Lincoln cent will appeal to a very wide number of collectors since it is the
finest graded but, obviously, that won't necessarily result in the highest price. There
are many factors that will go into the price and it will always come down to what it's
worth to the second highest bidder. Demand will be very broad based because there
are huge numbers of people who collect Lincolns and huge numbers who want top
grade type coins. There are also those who simply seek the finest of various objects.

Whatever this coin brings, there will be more people who can't own than who can.

It seems improbable that the price record for Lincolns is in much danger, but what do
I know?

PQpeace · August 30, 2006 4:39AM

I think an apology is due Jaime....

Moron is not a cool word at all..he is just doing his job,
Larry

homerunhall · August 30, 2006 4:57AM

Stewart...You are a good man to recant your attack of Jaime...

You also have a pretty good grading eye.

Thanks,

David

Steve · August 30, 2006 5:40AM

My only comment is that in my opinion the 1909VDB Matte Proof cent is the "Holy Grail" of the Lincoln cent series.

I appreciate the banter between Stewart & David. Thanks.

Steve

lloydmincy · August 30, 2006 6:06AM

<<Why doesn't PCGS grade an 1877 in 67 red or a 1909 VDB in 68 red>>

Then you wouldn't have the best ones.

Russ · August 30, 2006 6:33AM

<< Shall we start by talking about your Presidential Reviews and my opinion of your grading skills? >>

OUCH!

Russ, NCNE

2bucks · August 30, 2006 7:01AM

<< Stewart...Why are you picking on Jaime? He is intelligent, enthusiast, and learning fast. There a handful of eager young numismatists that represent the future of our hobby/market and Jaime is one of them. I work with him almost every day and I assure everyone reading this post that he is an outstanding up and coming numismatist. Calling Jaime a moron...no a "COMPLETE MORON"...is mean spirited, does not contribute to the health of numismatics and is basically a thing only a person with a moron's ego would do. You are not only out of line...you don't know what you're talking about.

Second...Why don't you pick on someone your own size? Someone with more experience and knowledge? I'm here...right now...and ready. Shall we start by talking about your Presidential Reviews and my opinion of your grading skills?

HRH >>

This is directed to HRH. Please start addressing the more pressing issues or the YN's will learn very quickly that the "old timers" cannot be trusted. Trust is what your business is built on right?

ksteelheader · August 30, 2006 7:16AM

Shall we start by talking about your Presidential Reviews and my opinion of your grading skills?

OWNED!!!

jacktheknife · August 30, 2006 8:08AM

Not sure who is more F.O.S. here. At least Stewart is more up front with it. Wasn't Jaime banned from here no too long ago? Now he's one of our bright young numismatists?

Jack

Edited to add: Ooops! Steve, I just figured it out as you posted below...nevermind

Steve · August 30, 2006 8:40AM

<< Not sure who is more F.O.S. here. At least Stewart is more up front with it. Wasn't Jaime banned from here no too long ago? Now he's one of our bright young numismatists?

Jack >>

Different Jaime.
Steve

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS · August 30, 2006 8:58AM

Jack the Knife - It was Jaime Haletky who was banned from the forums.Jaime Hernandez is the one who is responsible for the PCGS pricing guide.I personally think he does a very good job because I use the PCGS pricing guide when trying to figure out Lincoln cent values.I hope he accepts my apology for the name calling.

I completely agree with Steve that the 1909 VDB matte proof is the holy grail of Proof Lincoln cents

I think the 1922 No D strong reverse is the holy grail of Lincoln cents

I believe the 1958 DDO is the holy grail of double die Lincoln cents

Perhaps RonGuth should explain why he thinks PCGS will never grade another ms 70 Lincoln cent ?He is a BIG GUY

I am certain most of the senior PCGS graders like Ron Howard or Mike Sargeant laugh at grading coins like a 2003 Lincoln cent.I will also state that even the BEST GRADERS cannot tell the difference between an ms 69 or an ms 70 Lincoln cent

Stewart

rabbitracks · August 30, 2006 10:44AM

Stewart, I have to agree with you and Steve on the 1909 VDB Matte Proof as being the HOLY GRAIL
of Lincoln Cents for rarity purposes. But you also have to consider that the year 2003 Cents had
some FABULOUS beautiful lincolns that just blow away any other Lincoln cent for Lustre. I
believe that is why that coin is a true 70 coin IMHO. The coin in my Red White & Blue set has that
kind of Lustre and it also has Gorgeous red toning as it was a coin I put in a Littleton coin Album
in 2003. The coin has a minute L shaped gouge on the reverse under the Memorial Building that keeps
it from a higher grade. I thought it would have went at least a 67 but the graders didn't agree only a
66. You may not like Modern Crap but a GEM like these only happen very seldom at the Mint.
Mike.

ksteelheader · August 30, 2006 7:23PM

<< 

<< Have your ever considered anger management therapy? >>

You two could probably get a group discount.

Russ, NCNE >>

They don't need a discount. They're both loaded.

MoneyLA · August 31, 2006 5:06AM

I'd like to see some better photos of the coin, and some info about it:

Particularly, was this coin fished out of a roll or a bag? or the cash register at the golden arches?

I take it that it did NOT come out of a mint set?

It's "source" is what interests me.

thanks, alan mendelson

cladking · August 31, 2006 5:19AM

<< I'd like to see some better photos of the coin, and some info about it:

Particularly, was this coin fished out of a roll or a bag? or the cash register at the golden arches?

I take it that it did NOT come out of a mint set?

It's "source" is what interests me.

thanks, alan mendelson >>

I just assumed it was a mint set.

2003 P Lincoln Cent PCGS MS 70 ....The Holy Grail Of Lincoln Cents ??

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