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1962 Post Football
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In an effort to call attention to the 1962 Post Football Set, I have added scans to my recently completed set. Originating from the backs of Post Cereal boxes, these cards are difficult to obtain in high-grade. Currently, PSA graded cards from this set have not attracted much attention; aside from being an enjoyable set to collect, in my view there is quite a bit of upside potential in the value of this set.
I can recall collecting these cards as a kid with the big attraction being they were free on the backs of my favorite boxes of cereal with no guessing as to which cards you would get. Growing-up in the Dallas area, I would go to the grocery store with my Mom looking for Dallas Cowboys cards or my boyhood idol Johnny U. on the backs of the likes of Sugar Crisp and Alpha-Bits only to find (with no offense intended to the Cheese-head nation...) those dreaded Green Bay Packers.
I plan to continue to upgrade this set and would welcome hearing from others who have an interest in starting/trading/selling cards from the 1962 Post Football Set.
Here's a link to my set on the Registry:
1962 Post Football Set
Also, here's a scan of a few 1962 Dallas Cowboys Cards. Check out those dreadful stars on the uniforms from the inaugural 1961 season. No wonder they went 0-11-1. that first year!
I can recall collecting these cards as a kid with the big attraction being they were free on the backs of my favorite boxes of cereal with no guessing as to which cards you would get. Growing-up in the Dallas area, I would go to the grocery store with my Mom looking for Dallas Cowboys cards or my boyhood idol Johnny U. on the backs of the likes of Sugar Crisp and Alpha-Bits only to find (with no offense intended to the Cheese-head nation...) those dreaded Green Bay Packers.
I plan to continue to upgrade this set and would welcome hearing from others who have an interest in starting/trading/selling cards from the 1962 Post Football Set.
Here's a link to my set on the Registry:
1962 Post Football Set
Also, here's a scan of a few 1962 Dallas Cowboys Cards. Check out those dreadful stars on the uniforms from the inaugural 1961 season. No wonder they went 0-11-1. that first year!
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Thanks for the great scans.
The photography on that set is awesome. Also, great player selection.
I can remember cutting out the baseball cards from Post cereal boxes.
My Mom was a nutrition nut and wouldn't buy us pre-sweetened cereals, so my set building didn't get very far.
What kind of prices are the 1962 football cards going for in the various grades?
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
That is a great set you have put together! I've toyed with the idea of working on a Post Cereal set but it seems like a long road of searching and submitting. You've done a great job at finding high grade cards.
Did you cut any from panels?
I've seen PSA 9 commons go for as much as $150 - $200 on ebay. A PSA-8 Tarkenton recently went for $450+ before the hammer inthe Recent Memory Lane auction.
I know some of the short prints can go for 100 + raw as a redskins collector 1 comes to mind for sure
To date I have resisted cutting-up whole panels. I have a near-set of panels and try to trade duplicate panels towards completing my set. I have submitted cards cut from a couple partial panels with varying results/limited success.
Is this the card you're thinking of?
When you submit to PSA, do the cards need to have all four black borders to get a grade?
If they don't have all the black borders do they just get an authentic designation .... how does that work?
Congrats on your set!!
<< <i> Also, here's a scan of a few 1962 Dallas Cowboys Cards. Check out those dreadful stars on the uniforms from the inaugural 1961 season. No wonder they went 0-11-1. that first year![/IMG] >>
By the way, even though I'm not a Cowboy's fan, I happen to love those Cowboy uniforms!
Way better than what they've had ever since!
If not for all the great San Diego Charger's uniforms, it would have been the best uniform of all time ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<< <i>When you submit to PSA, do the cards need to have all four black borders to get a grade? >>
Kirk,
Well, if it's you or me sending them in ... they'll need most of the borders intact to get a grade. However the good news is ... if you happen to own a large auction house, they'll be more than happy to let that little border issue slide for ya!
I've decided to finally open a large auction house so I can compete on a more level playing field. The only problem is that I'm going to have to change my name over to "Shouldabeena7" to avoid any false advertising claims.
Mike
Couldn't agree more; those blue and gold lightning- bolt trimmed uniforms are truly classic.
Based on my experience, you've pretty-much got it right.
I'm not sure if PSA has adjusted its initial grading criteria for these cards or if I'm getting better at screening the cards submitted for grading. My initial submissions had quite a few cards come back "Authentic" that I felt were worthy of a grade. My last invoice of 39 cards all received a grade.
It does appear PSA does not require a card to have a solid black border to receive a grade. Here's one example:
This is a tough short-print I sent in for grading in order to have a completely graded set. I expected this card to receive an "Authentic" designation. I was pleasantly surprised it came back a PSA-6.
You have brought up a great example of how these things sometimes get graded. When Scott bought the 1959 Bazooka football set last year he sent his set to be graded/authenticated. Four cards received a grade and the others were holdered "authentic". In the last Mastro auction, there were three baseball Bazooka cards that were graded 7. All three of them had the cut like the Hawkins. You could see the black line on most of the card, but there was a spot or two where it was not visable. I don't know if PSA is becoming more lax on this issue or if they are changing their ways of grading. Scott is resubmitting these in to be graded this week under the special in hopes that some of the other cards get graded. He also bought the batch out of Mastro that he is sending in. Under the old way of grading, I don't believe any of those will get graded. I will let you know of the results in three weeks.
Shane
How many Post cards have you gotten grades on that didn't have all of the borders intact? Maybe PSA has relaxed their policy on them somewhat?
I've got a partial raw set that has parts of borders missing here and there. I'd sent some of them in a while back and they didn't get graded because of that.
As a matter of fact, I've got a few at PSA right now getting graded (that do have all 4 borders), but I'd held off on sending any of the other raw because I was under the impression that the border rule was still around.
Any insight would be much appreciated as I wasn't really looking forward to opening that major auction house.... those catalogs mailings are just way too heavy! LOL
Mike
Basically, I submitted 95%+ of my set for grading. As I mentioned elsewhere in this topic, I think I've gotten a little better at screening these cards for submission with experience. Unless I needed to grade a particular card to complete my graded set, I didn't send in cards that didn't have the border 99%+ intact. I have one of those lighted magnifying lamps available from Office Depot that comes in handy for screening cards for submission; it has paid for itself in grading fee savings.
Based on my experience here are a few observations:
1.) A card without a solid black border will likely not receive higher than a PSA 6; said differently to get a PSA 7 or better grade a card will need to have its black border intact.
2.) If you are trimming an over-sized card, take care to trim the card so that the area outside the black border is as uniform as possible. My tools of choice here are a CLEAR ruler and a box-cutter which utilizes a single-edged razor-blade. I use a new blade for each card. Again, these supplies are available at a reasonable cost from Office Depot.
An earlier string on this forum described using a tile cutter with a four-inch blade and striking it with a hammer. I have tried this technique and achieved very good results with over-sized cards which need a good amount of trimming. On cards that need to be "shaved" or require a thin amount of cardboard to be removed, the ruler and box-cutter work best for me.
Try practicing on a couple of commons to see which methods works best for you.
3.) PSA appears to downgrade these blank-backed cards if there is resudue/glue from the cereal packaging on the backside of the card. In my opinion as long as the card's frontside is not impaired, there should be no impact on the card's grade. I don't have any advice as to how to remove this defect from the card's backside.
Steve
I'll be interested to see how Scott does on his re-submissions. I've been thinking about cracking out a couple of these cards and submitting them to PSA on a trial basis as well.
Steve
Thanks for the info.
Well your thread inspired me to submit my complete raw set to PSA earilier today.
I had been thinking about doing it for some time, but your post
got me off my butt.
I toyed with the idea of sending in a couple of 50 card submissions
to try and get the feel for it, but I figured what the heck ..... Let It Rip!!
So I will probably be the one that gets "ripped a new one" with a bunch
of authentics!
Oh well, we'll just have to see how it all shakes out.
I have at least what I would consider a very high grade raw set.
We'll have to see if PSA concur's.
Anyway, if all goes fairly decently I should be able to give you at least
a little competition on the registry.
You look pretty lonely there at the top.
Kirk
Best of luck with your submission. Look forward to you sharing the results by adding your set to the Registry.
Steve
<< <i>
By the way, even though I'm not a Cowboy's fan, I happen to love those Cowboy uniforms!
Way better than what they've had ever since!
If not for all the great San Diego Charger's uniforms, it would have been the best uniform of all time ...
I couldn't agree more. I love when they wear those jerseys on Thanks Giving.
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As mentioned before, your thread on the Post Football cards inspired me to submit my set to PSA a few weeks back.
Anyway, my grades just posted on that submission.
I had what I thought was a Killer Raw set.
I guess PSA didn't quite think it was as Killer as I did.
Quite honestly, I don't quite know what to think on the whole submission?
Over all I feel kind of disappointed.
I thought these cards would do a lot better.
It sure is a whole new ball game as far as getting use to grading on the hand cuts.
That is an absolute certainty.
WOW!!
I don't know how to post my grades to this thread.
If I give you my submission number and zip, would you be kind enough to do it for me
or perhaps even someone else here on the boards could help me out?
I would certainly appreciate it!
Submission# 600690 Zip Code: 95242
Many thanks!
1 06481178 1962 POST CEREAL 1 DAN CURRIE HAND CUT 8
2 06481179 1962 POST CEREAL 2 BOYD DOWLER HAND CUT 7
3 06481180 1962 POST CEREAL 3 BILL FORESTER HAND CUT 7
4 06481181 1962 POST CEREAL 4 FORREST GREGG HAND CUT 5
5 06481182 1962 POST CEREAL 5 DAVE HANNER HAND CUT 8
6 06481183 1962 POST CEREAL 6 PAUL HORNUNG HAND CUT 7
7 06481184 1962 POST CEREAL 7 HENRY JORDAN HAND CUT 6
8 06481185 1962 POST CEREAL 8 JERRY KRAMER HAND CUT N0
9 06481186 1962 POST CEREAL 9 MAX McGEE HAND CUT 5
10 06481187 1962 POST CEREAL 10 TOM MOORE HAND CUT 9
11 06481188 1962 POST CEREAL 11 JIM RINGO HAND CUT 7
12 06481189 1962 POST CEREAL 12 BART STARR HAND CUT 8
13 06481190 1962 POST CEREAL 13 JIM TAYLOR HAND CUT 6
14 06481191 1962 POST CEREAL 14 FRED THURSTON HAND CUT 5
15 06481192 1962 POST CEREAL 15 JESSE WHITTENTON HAND CUT 7
16 06481193 1962 POST CEREAL 16 ERICH BARNES HAND CUT 6
17 06481194 1962 POST CEREAL 17 ROOSEVELT BROWN HAND CUT 8
18 06481195 1962 POST CEREAL 18 BOB GAITERS HAND CUT 7
19 06481196 1962 POST CEREAL 19 ROOSEVELT GRIER HAND CUT 6
20 06481197 1962 POST CEREAL 20 SAM HUFF HAND CUT 8
21 06481198 1962 POST CEREAL 21 JIM KATCAVAGE HAND CUT 7
22 06481199 1962 POST CEREAL 22 CLIFF LIVINGSTON HAND CUT 5
23 06481200 1962 POST CEREAL 23 DICK LYNCH HAND CUT 8
24 06481201 1962 POST CEREAL 24 JOE MORRISON HAND CUT 8
25 06481202 1962 POST CEREAL 25 DICK NOLAN HAND CUT 6
26 06481203 1962 POST CEREAL 26 ANDY ROBUSTELLI HAND CUT 7
27 06481204 1962 POST CEREAL 27 KYLE ROTE HAND CUT 5
28 06481205 1962 POST CEREAL 28 DEL SHOFNER HAND CUT 8
29 06481206 1962 POST CEREAL 29 Y.A. TITTLE HAND CUT 9
30 06481207 1962 POST CEREAL 30 ALEX WEBSTER HAND CUT 8ST
31 06481208 1962 POST CEREAL 31 BILL BARNES HAND CUT 6
32 06481209 1962 POST CEREAL 32 MAXIE BAUGHAN HAND CUT 4
33 06481210 1962 POST CEREAL 33 CHUCK BEDNARIK HAND CUT 8
34 06481211 1962 POST CEREAL 34 TOM BROOKSHIER HAND CUT 7
35 06481212 1962 POST CEREAL 35 JIMMY CARR HAND CUT 3
36 06481213 1962 POST CEREAL 36 TED DEAN HAND CUT 5
37 06481214 1962 POST CEREAL 37 SONNY JURGENSEN HAND CUT 4
38 06481215 1962 POST CEREAL 38 TOMMY McDONALD HAND CUT 9
39 06481216 1962 POST CEREAL 39 CLARENCE PEAKS HAND CUT 8
40 06481217 1962 POST CEREAL 40 PETE RETZLAFF HAND CUT 8
41 06481218 1962 POST CEREAL 41 JESS RICHARDSON HAND CUT 8
42 06481219 1962 POST CEREAL 42 LEO SUGAR HAND CUT 8
43 06481220 1962 POST CEREAL 43 BOBBY WALSTSON HAND CUT 8
44 06481221 1962 POST CEREAL 44 CHUCK WEBER HAND CUT 4
45 06481222 1962 POST CEREAL 45 ED KHAYAT HAND CUT 2
46 06481223 1962 POST CEREAL 46 HOWARD CASSADY HAND CUT 7
47 06481224 1962 POST CEREAL 47 GAIL COGDILL HAND CUT 8
48 06481225 1962 POST CEREAL 48 JIM GIBBONS HAND CUT 9
49 06481226 1962 POST CEREAL 49 BILL GLASS HAND CUT 6
50 06481227 1962 POST CEREAL 50 ALEX KARRAS HAND CUT 6
51 06481228 1962 POST CEREAL 51 DICK LANE HAND CUT 5
52 06481229 1962 POST CEREAL 52 YALE LARY HAND CUT 7
53 06481230 1962 POST CEREAL 53 DAN LEWIS HAND CUT 6
54 06481231 1962 POST CEREAL 54 DARRIS McCORD HAND CUT 8
55 06481232 1962 POST CEREAL 55 JIM MARTIN HAND CUT 9
56 06481233 1962 POST CEREAL 56 EARL MORRALL HAND CUT 8
57 06481234 1962 POST CEREAL 57 JIM NINOWSKI HAND CUT 6
58 06481235 1962 POST CEREAL 58 NICK PIETROSANTE HAND CUT 8
59 06481236 1962 POST CEREAL 59 JOE SCHMIDT HAND CUT 7
60 06481237 1962 POST CEREAL 60 HARLEY SEWELL HAND CUT 8
61 06481238 1962 POST CEREAL 61 JIM BROWN HAND CUT 4
62 06481239 1962 POST CEREAL 62 GALEN FISS HAND CUT 5
63 06481240 1962 POST CEREAL 63 BOB GAIN HAND CUT 5
64 06481241 1962 POST CEREAL 64 JIM HOUSTON HAND CUT 8
65 06481242 1962 POST CEREAL 65 MIKE McCORMACK HAND CUT 6
66 06481243 1962 POST CEREAL 66 GENE HICKERSON HAND CUT 8ST
67 06481244 1962 POST CEREAL 67 BOB MITCHELL HAND CUT 5
68 06481245 1962 POST CEREAL 68 JOHN MORROW HAND CUT 6
69 06481246 1962 POST CEREAL 69 BERNIE PARRISH HAND CUT 7ST
70 06481247 1962 POST CEREAL 70 MILT PLUM HAND CUT 8
71 06481248 1962 POST CEREAL 71 RAY RENFRO HAND CUT 7
72 06481249 1962 POST CEREAL 72 DICK SCHAFRATH HAND CUT 6
73 06481250 1962 POST CEREAL 73 JIM RAY SMITH HAND CUT 8ST
74 06481251 1962 POST CEREAL 74 SAM BAKER HAND CUT 8
75 06481252 1962 POST CEREAL 75 PAUL WIGGIN HAND CUT 8
76 06481253 1962 POST CEREAL 76 RAYMOND BERRY HAND CUT 8
77 06481254 1962 POST CEREAL 77 BOB BOYD HAND CUT 6
78 06481255 1962 POST CEREAL 78 ORDELL BRAASE HAND CUT 8ST
79 06481256 1962 POST CEREAL 79 ART DONOVAN HAND CUT 7ST
80 06481257 1962 POST CEREAL 80 DEE MACKEY HAND CUT 6
81 06481258 1962 POST CEREAL 81 GINO MARCHETTI HAND CUT 6
82 06481259 1962 POST CEREAL 82 LENNY MOORE HAND CUT 4
83 06481260 1962 POST CEREAL 83 JIM MUTSCHELLER HAND CUT 5
84 06481261 1962 POST CEREAL 84 STEVE MYHRA HAND CUT 5
85 06481262 1962 POST CEREAL 85 JIMMY ORR HAND CUT 9
86 06481263 1962 POST CEREAL 86 JIM PARKER HAND CUT 5
87 06481264 1962 POST CEREAL 87 BILL PELLINGTON HAND CUT 8
88 06481265 1962 POST CEREAL 88 ALEX SANDUSKY HAND CUT 8
89 06481266 1962 POST CEREAL 89 DICK SZYMANSKI HAND CUT 7
90 06481267 1962 POST CEREAL 90 JOHNNY UNITAS HAND CUT 7ST
91 06481268 1962 POST CEREAL 91 BRUCE BOSLEY HAND CUT 7
92 06481269 1962 POST CEREAL 92 JOHN BRODIE HAND CUT 9
93 06481270 1962 POST CEREAL 93 DAVE BAKER HAND CUT 3
94 06481271 1962 POST CEREAL 94 TOMMY DAVIS HAND CUT 4
95 06481272 1962 POST CEREAL 95 BOB HARRISON HAND CUT 7
96 06481273 1962 POST CEREAL 96 MATT HAZELTINE HAND CUT 7
97 06481274 1962 POST CEREAL 97 JIM JOHNSON HAND CUT 9ST
98 06481275 1962 POST CEREAL 98 BILL KILMER HAND CUT 4
99 06481276 1962 POST CEREAL 99 JERRY MERTENS HAND CUT 5
100 06481277 1962 POST CEREAL 100 FRANK MORZE HAND CUT 6
101 06481278 1962 POST CEREAL 101 R.C. OWENS HAND CUT 8
102 06481279 1962 POST CEREAL 102 J.D. SMITH HAND CUT 4
103 06481280 1962 POST CEREAL 103 BOB ST. CLAIR HAND CUT 5
104 06481281 1962 POST CEREAL 104 MONTY STICKLES HAND CUT 9
105 06481282 1962 POST CEREAL 105 ABE WOODSON HAND CUT 8ST
106 06481283 1962 POST CEREAL 106 DOUG ATKINS HAND CUT 5
107 06481284 1962 POST CEREAL 107 ED BROWN HAND CUT 7
108 06481285 1962 POST CEREAL 108 J.C. CAROLINE HAND CUT 8ST
109 06481286 1962 POST CEREAL 109 RICK CASARES HAND CUT 5
110 06481287 1962 POST CEREAL 110 ANGELO COIA HAND CUT 8
111 06481288 1962 POST CEREAL 111 MIKE DITKA HAND CUT 9
112 06481289 1962 POST CEREAL 112 JOE FORTUNATO HAND CUT 5
113 06481290 1962 POST CEREAL 113 WILLIE GALIMORE HAND CUT 4
114 06481291 1962 POST CEREAL 114 BILL GEORGE HAND CUT 7
115 06481292 1962 POST CEREAL 115 STAN JONES HAND CUT 7
116 06481293 1962 POST CEREAL 116 JOHNNY MORRIS HAND CUT 5
117 06481294 1962 POST CEREAL 117 LARRY MORRIS HAND CUT 4
118 06481295 1962 POST CEREAL 118 RICHIE PETITBON HAND CUT 4
119 06481296 1962 POST CEREAL 119 BILL WADE HAND CUT 7
120 06481297 1962 POST CEREAL 120 MAURY YOUMANS HAND CUT 8ST
121 06481298 1962 POST CEREAL 121 PRESTON CARPENTER HAND CUT 5
122 06481299 1962 POST CEREAL 122 BUDDY DIAL HAND CUT 8
123 06481300 1962 POST CEREAL 123 BOBBY JOE GREEN HAND CUT 7
124 06481301 1962 POST CEREAL 124 MIKE HENRY HAND CUT 6
125 06481302 1962 POST CEREAL 125 JOHN HENRY JOHNSON HAND CUT 5
126 06481303 1962 POST CEREAL 126 BOBBY LAYNE HAND CUT 8
127 06481304 1962 POST CEREAL 127 GENE LIPSCOMB HAND CUT 5
128 06481305 1962 POST CEREAL 128 LOU MICHAELS HAND CUT 6
129 06481306 1962 POST CEREAL 129 JOHN NISBY HAND CUT 6
130 06481307 1962 POST CEREAL 130 JOHN REGER HAND CUT 8
131 06481308 1962 POST CEREAL 131 MIKE SANDUSKY HAND CUT 7
132 06481309 1962 POST CEREAL 132 GEORGE TARASOVIC HAND CUT 8
133 06481310 1962 POST CEREAL 133 TOM TRACY HAND CUT 5
134 06481311 1962 POST CEREAL 134 GLYNN GREGORY HAND CUT 9MK
135 06481312 1962 POST CEREAL 135 FRANK CLARKE HAND CUT 9
136 06481313 1962 POST CEREAL 136 MIKE CONNELLY HAND CUT 8
137 06481314 1962 POST CEREAL 137 L.G. DUPRE HAND CUT 5
138 06481315 1962 POST CEREAL 138 BOB FRY HAND CUT 5
139 06481316 1962 POST CEREAL 139 ALLEN GREEN HAND CUT 9
140 06481317 1962 POST CEREAL 140 BILL HOWTON HAND CUT 8
141 06481318 1962 POST CEREAL 141 BOB LILLY HAND CUT 9
142 06481319 1962 POST CEREAL 142 DON MEREDITH HAND CUT 6
143 06481320 1962 POST CEREAL 143 DICK MOEGLE HAND CUT 8
144 06481321 1962 POST CEREAL 144 DON PERKINS HAND CUT 5
145 06481322 1962 POST CEREAL 145 JERRY TUBBS HAND CUT 9
146 06481323 1962 POST CEREAL 146 J.W. LOCKETT HAND CUT 2
147 06481324 1962 POST CEREAL 147 ED COOK HAND CUT 8
148 06481325 1962 POST CEREAL 148 JOHN DAVID CROW HAND CUT 5
149 06481326 1962 POST CEREAL 149 SAM ETCHEVERRY HAND CUT 8
150 06481327 1962 POST CEREAL 150 FRANK FULLER HAND CUT 8ST
151 06481328 1962 POST CEREAL 151 PRENTICE GAUTT HAND CUT 8
152 06481329 1962 POST CEREAL 152 JIMMY HILL HAND CUT 8
153 06481330 1962 POST CEREAL 153 BILL KOMAN HAND CUT 5
154 06481331 1962 POST CEREAL 154 LARRY WILSON HAND CUT 6
155 06481332 1962 POST CEREAL 155 DALE MEINERT HAND CUT 4
156 06481333 1962 POST CEREAL 156 ED HENKE HAND CUT 8
157 06481334 1962 POST CEREAL 157 SONNY RANDLE HAND CUT 5
158 06481335 1962 POST CEREAL 158 RALPH GUGLIELMI HAND CUT 4
159 06481336 1962 POST CEREAL 159 JOE CHILDRESS HAND CUT 6
160 06481337 1962 POST CEREAL 160 JON ARNETT HAND CUT 8
161 06481338 1962 POST CEREAL 161 DICK BASS HAND CUT 8
162 06481339 1962 POST CEREAL 162 ZEKE BRATKOWSKI HAND CUT 5
163 06481340 1962 POST CEREAL 163 CARROLL DALE HAND CUT 6
164 06481341 1962 POST CEREAL 164 ART HUNTER HAND CUT 8ST
165 06481342 1962 POST CEREAL 165 JOHN LOVETERE HAND CUT 7
166 06481343 1962 POST CEREAL 166 LAMAR LUNDY HAND CUT 7
167 06481344 1962 POST CEREAL 167 OLLIE MATSON HAND CUT 5
168 06481345 1962 POST CEREAL 168 EDDIE MEADOR HAND CUT N0
169 06481346 1962 POST CEREAL 169 JACK PARDEE HAND CUT 8
170 06481347 1962 POST CEREAL 170 JIM PHILLIPS HAND CUT 6
171 06481348 1962 POST CEREAL 171 LES RICHTER HAND CUT 4
172 06481349 1962 POST CEREAL 172 FRANK RYAN HAND CUT 8
173 06481350 1962 POST CEREAL 173 FRANK VARRICHIONE HAND CUT 4MK
174 06481351 1962 POST CEREAL 174 GRADY ALDERMAN HAND CUT 5
175 06481352 1962 POST CEREAL 175 RIP HAWKINS HAND CUT 6
176 06481353 1962 POST CEREAL 176 DON JOYCE HAND CUT 8
177 06481354 1962 POST CEREAL 177 BILL LAPHAM HAND CUT 8
178 06481355 1962 POST CEREAL 178 TOMMY MASON HAND CUT 4
179 06481356 1962 POST CEREAL 179 HUGH McELHENNY HAND CUT 5
180 06481357 1962 POST CEREAL 180 DAVE MIDDLETON HAND CUT 7
181 06481358 1962 POST CEREAL 181 DICK PESONEN HAND CUT 3
182 06481359 1962 POST CEREAL 182 KARL RUBKE HAND CUT 4
183 06481360 1962 POST CEREAL 183 GEORGE SHAW HAND CUT 6
184 06481361 1962 POST CEREAL 184 FRAN TARKENTON HAND CUT 5
185 06481362 1962 POST CEREAL 185 MEL TRIPLETT HAND CUT 6
186 06481363 1962 POST CEREAL 186 FRANK YOUSO HAND CUT 6
187 06481364 1962 POST CEREAL 187 BILL BISHOP HAND CUT 9
188 06481365 1962 POST CEREAL 188 BILL ANDERSON HAND CUT 5
189 06481366 1962 POST CEREAL 189 DON BOSSELER HAND CUT 5
190 06481367 1962 POST CEREAL 190 FRED HAGEMAN HAND CUT 5
191 06481368 1962 POST CEREAL 191 SAM HORNER HAND CUT 9
192 06481369 1962 POST CEREAL 192 JIM KERR HAND CUT 8
193 06481370 1962 POST CEREAL 193 JOE KRAKOSKI HAND CUT 8
194 06481371 1962 POST CEREAL 194 FRED DUGAN HAND CUT 6
195 06481372 1962 POST CEREAL 195 JOHN PALUCK HAND CUT 7
196 06481373 1962 POST CEREAL 196 VINCE PROMUTO HAND CUT 5
197 06481374 1962 POST CEREAL 197 JOE RUTGENS HAND CUT 6
198 06481375 1962 POST CEREAL 198 NORMAN SNEAD HAND CUT 5
199 06481376 1962 POST CEREAL 199 ANDY STYNCHULA HAND CUT 7
200 06481377 1962 POST CEREAL 200 BOB TONEFF HAND CUT 8
Date Received: 08/31/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 09/14/2006
Date Shipped: 09/14/2006
Just a couple of comments on the grades on the 62 Post Football Cards.
With PSA's present grading standards on the 62 POST issues they
make it very difficult to have a graded set with an over all GPA of 7.00 or above.
You almost have to back off a complete 1.0 to 1.5 garde from your normal way of thinking on the hand cuts.
If you can put together a set at the PSA 7.00 GPA level with this stuff it would be somewhere
the equivilent of a set at 8.00 to 8.25 GPA easily at the non hand cut standard level.
As I have some vintage non hand cut sets at that level.
Apparently if any part of the four black borders are missing on the cards, your
grades are going to take a pretty good hit.
I have some PSA 4's .......5's........& 6's that are absolutely stunning!!
If you can believe it.
This is especially tough on the Post Football issue because some of the cards do share a common border.
Also was especially dissapointed that PSA will give you a ST stain qualifier if there are any glue or wax marks
on the backs of the blank cards.
This method was used to hold the bag of cereal to the inside of the box when it left the factory.
I am certainly not bashing PSA here ..... just stating that if someone wants to work on this set in graded form there
are going to be some huge challenges ahead unless PSA would revise some of their grading standards re.
the issue.
You have to go in to it with an adjusted mind set.
Because really, you are dealing with a completely different animal here.
On the set I just had graded, this was the best set of about six sets I had from years ago when
I collected this issue very heavily.
The best I could muster on "the best of my best" incompassing 6 sets was approx. a 6.50 GPA.
If you looked at this set in raw form, you probably would have thought it was the cleanest set you had
ever seen.
The hand cut game is certainly played a little differently.
Not that that is a bad thing.
Just more of a challenge, and then some ...... that's all.
PM sent.
Randall
Loves me some shiny!
What a great set you have!
By my count:
15 cards received a 9
49 cards received an 8
28 cards received a 7.
Based on the above, 46% of your set graded PSA-7 or better! Even more impressive is that you got 9s on several of the SPs including Tom Moore, Tittle and Ditka. Also noticed you only had a couple cards come back "Authentic".
I couldn't agree with you more about the harshness of the ST qualifer for this set; looks like you got 15 of these.
Glad to see you took the time to add your set to the Registry.
As the saying goes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder; from this vantage point it appears to me that you have a beautiful set!
Steve
I think you did awesome. When a person tries to collect such a hard set like this one, people tend to think that because you don't have 8's or above the set is not nice or desirable. I know how difficult this set is just by speaking with Steve and having sent in the 1959 Bazooka football set. I think this set is incredible. Now you can be patient and upgrade like crazy.
Great job,
Shane
I do appreciate it.
I edited my previous post and added a few other insights for any one that may have an interest.
I lso would express that all your statements may well be correct. It probably was the cleanest raw set that I would have ever seen and looks like now it will be one of the top graded ones. It is often hard when you are use to collecting 8's and 9's to see a 6 in your set or less. But in these cases, it may be one of the best cards available. Look at the Bell Brand cards in BB or FB. It is another issue that recalibrate the expectations. Regardless of the numbers on it, it is one top notch set. Be proud and be loud.
Fuzz
I saw your 9 on Ebay. It refutes the rule that 8 or better must have the black lines intact.
Interesting.
Nice card though.
You may be right about a clean square cut being of primary importance.
Loves me some shiny!
I don't think the clean square cut is the determining factor.
I think it may be more of who is grading it at the time.
Hand cuts seem to have a whole set of different criteria all
to themselves.
Since they would have to be a very small % of cards graded by
PSA, it might be just that different graders view supposed defects
differently.
Pretty tough to grade these type of cards with out some strict rules which may
or may not impact certain issues more than others in PSA's defense.
Don't know this for a fact, but it isn't like PSA puts out a hand book
on how they grade hand cuts, unless there is one on the site and
I haven't stumbled acrossed it yet .... which is entirely possible.
I think it is kind of an evolving thing, with hits and misses along the way.
But that is only my opinion.
I could be all wet in my thinking.
Sorry did not rec. your PM.
Try: robinson209@comcast.net again if you would.
Thanks!
Nice grades on a tuff, tuff set!
That's always been one of my attractions to some of the more non mainstream and oddball sets ... they're usually a lot tougher than most people think and they have their own little hurdles you have to overcome. It's not as easy as just searching around eBay for PSA 8's. You're almost forced to scour different sources for raw or uncut versions and gamble a little more than you normally would. I really enjoy that side in building these types of sets. To me ... that's what collectings all about!
Have fun and good luck with the upgrading!
Mike
PS - Although I'm a little ticked at you .... because you got your grades back so fast, and I'm still waiting on 3 different submissions I sent in over 3 weeks before you did.
I feel I can make the following observations re. this set in graded form.
With Post Football cards you have "three main factors" going against you big time from the get go.
They are:
10-15% of all the cards have a glue/wax substance residue on the backs of them straight from the factory.
This was applied to hold the bag of cereal upright in place inside the box. So no matter how pristine the card is other wise, the best you are looking at in this scenario is a PSA 6 and more likley a PSA 5 because of the stain qualifier.
Also many of these cards had a tendency to have hair line creases in them.
They were the backs of cereal boxes themselves and acted as the main structure of housing the cereal.
Because of this another 20 to 25% of all cards IMHO have hair line creases, due to the compression of
just general handling that many times are practally invisable to the naked eye.
The top of the card looks great many times ....... but the creases show up much easier on the blank faced reverse.
So once again, you can have a great looking card to the naked eye, but if the card has this particular
defect which so many of them do, you are looking at another PSA 3, 4 or 5 depending
on the severety of the crease.
As a matter of fact, I would not be surprised at all if the grader(s) looked at the blank backs first to locate a crease or creases before he even looks at the front of the card.
So that takes care of approx. 40% of all the Post Football cards out there IMHO.
No matter what they look like over wise.
Also because the cards were on the backs of the cereal boxes and had absolutely no protection what so ever you are looking
at at least another 10-15 % of the cards having either some sort of dirt, grit or grim associated with them by just the normal handling
factor alone.
To say nothing of scuff marks, indentations, print defects, glue marks from the factory etc. etc.
Then just for good measure throw in registration problems on probably another 10-15% of the over all release, which can bump a grade off a card although not as easily as some of the afore mentioned defects.
So taking all this in to account, you could go out and buy an uncut back panel and easily half of the cards on it, would not even grade
out at PSA 6!! If you were to cut them out individually.
From there you go to the black borders.
To get a PSA 8 or above, you really need four intact black borders.
Now I know there are a few exceptions to this rule, but by and large that is what PSA is looking for.
Some cards in this issue shared a common black border even adding more to the difficulty factor.
Since less than 10% of the cards in existence even have 4 intact black borders ....probably much closer to 5% or less
and if you add the above factors also into the equation it is easy to see what you are up against if you think you might want to go out and attack THIS MONSTER OF A SET in anything other that a PSA 5 to 6 range GPA.
IMHO to build this set in an overall PSA 6 EX-MT would be a very nice accomplishment and certainly nothing to sneeze at.
It would prove much tougher than one would initally think.
Of course you would clue into that reality real quick after your first submission results came back, like yours truely.
To build this set in PSA 7 would be absolutely fantastic and very, very difficult!!
Note: To date, it has not been accomplished yet.
It will, but it hasn't been done yet.
To build this set in PSA 8, unless you were to cut up at least "and I mean at least" $10,000.00 plus
worth of un-cut back panels, and that is if you could even find them would prove a complete impossibility in my mind.
It just isn't going to happen.
Just my take.
What do you say Steve ......... am I that far off in my thinking??
I just wanted to bring this post to the top since I edited my last post with approx. 95%
new material.
Thanks!
After your observations on the set and PSA's grading, are you happy that you submitted your set for grading? I'm considering starting a Post Cereal baseball set and am wondering if it is worth the effort to grade cards.
I personally think you have a tremendous football set and having the cards graded makes it special.
Tom
That is a very good question.
I'm not sure I would do it all over again?
There are certainlty Pro's & Con's related to it.
Now that I do have the set graded it kind of forces me to take an active interest in the set again,
which is kind of nice as I throughly enjoyed collecting this set raw.
The set has just been sitting around in a binder for the past 10-15 years.
It has afforded me the oppourtunity to learn a little about how hand cuts are judged by PSA and what to look for
on that front.
I have found that interesting.
The fact that I am currently second on the registry with a chance to at least challenge for the top spot
is also kind of cool.
So over all, the answer is probably yes.
The down side at least for me is I have what I would consider a fair amont of steller looking cards in PSA 5 and 6 holders
that kind of bugs me!
As I am use to seeing these type of quality cards in PSA 8 & 9 holders.
That is something I have to adjust my thinking to...............and I haven't done it yet.
But just the fact that I am talking about an issue I have always enjoyed, I suppose makes it all worth while.
Certainly Good luck to you with your Post Baseball on how ever you decided to proceed!!
Maybe a little easier for you as there may be a little more material out there re. the mail in's etc.
I would generally agree with your analysis of the challenges in putting together the'62 Post Football Set. I have no problem with PSA down-grading a card due to hair-line creases that show on the front-side of a card; I also agree that glue stains on the backside of a blank-backed card should not impact the card's grade. As I have put my set together, I have experienced more issues with creases than glue stains
For you or I to improve our sets to reach a 7.0 GPA appears to be a reasonable goal. To reach a G.P.A. of 8.0 will take a great deal of patience to accomplish.
An all PSA-7 or better set may be darn rear impossible.
Steve
An all PSA-7 or better set may be darn rear impossible.
I totally agree.
That is unless you had a full run of back panels, nice sharp pair of sizzors and
a momentary lapse of reason.
Although this is a recently added set to the Registry it's still pretty cool to get 1-of-1s. Its also very rewarding to have built this set primarily from personal submissions.
The link provided below will take you to the 1962 Post Football Page on the Set Registry; I should have scans up shortly.
seinbigd
1962 Post Football
Just read your post.
CONGRATS ........ on your latest Post Football submission!!
You are marching ever closer to that 7.00 GPA
I have another little lot I was gettung ready to send off
to take advantage of the November grading special.
My goal is to make it to 7.00 before the end of the year.
I'll see you there.