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Question about a coin from Uruguay NGC graded PF66

StorkStork Posts: 5,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I was wondering, if it's not listed in Krause, is there another source I could find out more about this? In other words, how did NGC know it's an unlisted (at least I can't find it) proof as opposed to just a really nice uncirculated KM#28?

The pictures really suck and are full of glare from my quickie snaps in the backyard... the fields are quite reflective, but it's not cameo.

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One of my favorite designs....

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    BlackhawkBlackhawk Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭
    That's a cool design! You could get a 1947 rupee from India as a compliment to it when you begin your big cat set. image
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    ajaanajaan Posts: 17,125 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My gut feeling is it isn't a proof and NGC messed up.

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    oldshepoldshep Posts: 3,240 ✭
    can't answer your question....but,What a Beauty!!!!!!!
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    FilamCoinsFilamCoins Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭

    This is my one and only coin from Uruguay. NGC calls it a MS63. Different date and denomination, but thought it might help (although pic isn't great either). I think Ajaan might be right. Are the fields mirror and the devices frosted on yours?

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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    I agree with the magic mushroom; it should be MS66 or perhaps MS66PL (I would give them a call).
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    StorkStork Posts: 5,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the input!

    I know the pictures completely don't show it, but the fields are somewhat prooflike, more noticeably on the reverse. There isn't anything I would call 'frosted' though, just a more normal appearance. Actually, I'm having a hard time finding the what knocked it down to a 66. There is some change in the color of the metal on othe obverse (a couple of small areas of anti-toning) but less hits that I would expect for a 66. Just the one speck on the puma/cougar/cat's hip.

    I suspect you guys are right about it just being MS or PL. I was hoping someone here was secretly the worlds greatest expert on pre-WWII Uruguay proof issues (and a consultant to NGC) who would post that clearly I had the most rare and sought after South American coin in existance.

    It's a great looking coin, but I suspect I paid a wee bit too much for it (so what else is new image, I REALLY wanted it). I'm glad I bought it, and I would buy it again, especially from the same seller. The coin was sold noting it wasn't listed or recorded, no attempt at deception or anything like that. My next step I suppose is to email them.

    Now, if I could just find one of those pesos in as good a shape to go with it...and maybe one of the 'for sure' essais out there (okay I've spotted one of them and I'm hoping it will be mine soon imageimageimage)


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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,795 ✭✭✭✭✭
    great design and quite attractive. Based on the image, I am not able to help with the question about whether it is a PR.

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    theboz11theboz11 Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭
    I have one that I wish was that nice as part of my big cat collection. Great designimage

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    LynchLynch Posts: 299


    << <i>I was hoping someone here was secretly the worlds greatest expert on pre-WWII Uruguay proof issues (and a consultant to NGC) who would post that clearly I had the most rare and sought after South American coin in existance. >>




    Okay, I just cannot keep silent any longer.

    Cathy, I am secretly the worlds greatest expert on pre-WWII Uruguay proof issues (and a consultant to NGC). It's very clear that you have the most rare and sought after South American coin in existence.image

    Seriously, the coin looks like an unusually nice circulation strike rather than a proof to me, and is way above average for its type.

    I don't know why NGC says it is a proof and think that might be a mistake.

    It's hard to tell from the pictures, but does the coin have squared off rims? If not, then it is almost certainly a circulation strike rather than a true proof.

    Whatever it is, it is a choice example of an attractive design and a coin to own with pride.image
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    LynchLynch Posts: 299
    This coin is from my collection. image
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    SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭✭
    In other words, how did NGC know it's an unlisted (at least I can't find it) proof as opposed to just a really nice uncirculated KM#28?



    Because the submitter probably suggested that it was and had some sort of proof for it . And I can tell you from personal experience that NGC does not welcome all such suggestions, so it might well be one of many unlisted proof coins. Or not, but as long as you like it... image
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    StorkStork Posts: 5,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Okay, I tried for some detail shots...I still can't seem to capture the fields too well. I'm having a less than sunny day here, and I keep getting glare on the slab when I'm indoors and out.

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    << <i>but does the coin have squared off rims? >>

    Does the picture help? I'm not sure what the alternative would look like image.





    << <i>Because the submitter probably suggested that it was and had some sort of proof for it . >>


    If I write on a submission that a coin is a proof, then NGC might just go along with that? Or, if I didn't recognize a proof, would they?

    Anyway, I wonder if the submitter did have such evidence? If so, where do I find it ???? It's not like Krause ever messes up or has omissions right? To heck with email, maybe I'll give both the submitter and NGC a call tomorrow image. I am getting quite curious!


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    LynchLynch Posts: 299


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    << <i>but does the coin have squared off rims? >>

    Does the picture help? I'm not sure what the alternative would look like image. >>



    The rims look sharp & square to me, but the fields look prooflike rather than proof, IMO, particularly for a coin apparently struck by a major European mint (Paris?).

    But then NGC has seen the coin in real life and I haven't, so maybe they're right and it really is a proof.

    Proof or not, it's a great coin!
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    StorkStork Posts: 5,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmmm...the plot thickens. Goldberg's auction, lots 4644, 4645 and 4646, are NGC graded 'unlisted proofs', for 1936.

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    StorkStork Posts: 5,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Talk about resurrecting a zombie thread...does anyone know how to pull up Goldberg's archives to see what the heck I'd linked to?


    Cathy

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    MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,054 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Talk about resurrecting a zombie thread...does anyone know how to pull up Goldberg's archives to see what the heck I'd linked to?


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    StorkStork Posts: 5,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess it was the other minors. I can't find my Goldberg sign in so many thanks for the linky dinky!

    (BTW, completely OT here, but here is a cool ebay thing Trent Reznor of NIN fame is auctioning off some guitars for greyhound rescue. I thought of you and Cosmicdebris--if he ever lurks as I recall he went from collecting coins to guitars. Maybe we'll see his Yemen Lion icon pop up but I doubt it...)


    Cathy

    edited to add: I don't know what I did to not be able to find the Goldberg stuff...I just tried again, no problems at all.

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