"All four corners are worn."
zef204
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That is what I just got from a buyer of a raw card.
He bought the Nelson pitured below. Is there any reason from this scan that he would not think the corners are worn?
I hate selling raw, but what can I do with stuff I don't want that isn't worth having graded?
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<< <i>If the scan was that big, then no shlt the corners are worn. You can plainly tell that!! >>
That scan is taken right out of the auction.
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Lee
auction for one of the 69's
<< <i>Zef, problem is is that htat is your hosted image. When you add it to the ebay listing , it gets automatically resized when you use these big scans of 4 cards or so. In your listing , the cards are tiny and you really can't tell that there is anything wrong with the card. you wither have to put links to the image or make sure your listing program doesn't resize the pictures. unfortunately he has a right to complain although he should have asked for a bigger scan before bidding if he was looking for nrMint cards since you tend to state the condition of the higher grade cards in the listings and do not list the condition in the lower grade listings
auction for one of the 69's >>
Do you see where it says "click on image to enlarge card"?
He said that he saw that and saw the big scan.
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he shouldve known to enlarge the scan..
if not, and the scan was too small for him, he should have asked for a larger scan before bidding..
the buyer doesnt leave feedback anyway, except for negative transactions..
im glad i dont leave feedback first as a seller..
It is very dangerous to rely on the buyer's ability to interpret
the scans. This is the second "incident" in about 10-days where
this has been "proven."
The ONLY way for sellers to cover themselves on this issue is
to "describe in writing" the weak AND strong points of any card.
Such descriptions do NOT kill sales. They ensure that sales made
stick.
"Click For Larger Scan" does not protect the seller from unreasonable
buyers' demands. (Even if there are no "hosting issues.")
Selling raw cards is a horrible idea. Every time I do it, I wish that I
had just given them away rather than selling them. Even if the
buyers do not complain, it is just too stress-inducing. MANY
buyers are totally unreasonable in their expectations about
low-priced raw cards; it is just not worth the stress. IMO
storm
-- Yogi Berra
<< <i>The ONLY way for sellers to cover themselves on this issue is
to "describe in writing" the weak AND strong points of any card.
Such descriptions do NOT kill sales. They ensure that sales made
stick. >>
That is very time consuming, I have started to list the cards thru turbo lister, because of the low price of the cards. I also have started to enlarge the "Click Image" and I put it on top of the scan. I also made the thumbnail MUCH bigger. I also now am listing the condition in the title and I am being very honest, I just want to sell the cards and I don't want them back.
I think I may need to start a "raw" account.
I have never returned a raw card and I have bought a ton of them on eBay. Are these people expecting PSA 8's and 9's?
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A lot of the low end buyers seem to think EBAY is an approval service where you can purchase a card, examine it in person, and then return it. Maybe you should consider listing the cards individually with the "click for a larger scan" option. Not your fault, but the larger scan your host provides is not that large.....
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<< <i>The ONLY way for sellers to cover themselves on this issue is
to "describe in writing" the weak AND strong points of any card.
Such descriptions do NOT kill sales. They ensure that sales made
stick. >>
That is very time consuming, I have started to list the cards thru turbo lister, because of the low price of the cards. I also have started to enlarge the "Click Image" and I put it on top of the scan. I also made the thumbnail MUCH bigger. I also now am listing the condition in the title and I am being very honest, I just want to sell the cards and I don't want them back.
I think I may need to start a "raw" account.
I have never returned a raw card and I have bought a ton of them on eBay. Are these people expecting PSA 8's and 9's? >>
These boards will vouch for how many people spent 2.00 for early commons expecting 8's and 9's.....
<< <i>Remove the PITA magnet from your listings. You seem to be attracting every nit picking troll out there. I wouldnt give the card a grade when you list (since we all know how subjective that is) but instead give a brief description (strong centering with lightly touched corners) and start adding "Please ask questions before bidding if you are concerned with the condition".
A lot of the low end buyers seem to think EBAY is an approval service where you can purchase a card, examine it in person, and then return it. Maybe you should consider listing the cards individually with the "click for a larger scan" option. Not your fault, but the larger scan your host provides is not that large..... >>
It is my fault. I host them. I can put them in there at whatever size I want. Would you think an even bigger scan would be better?
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<< <i>Do you see where it says "click on image to enlarge card"? >>
yes , I did and it automatically gets resized on my screen when I do that as well.
Don;t get me wrong , i am not defendingthe guy , I am just giving you reasons why it is happening. the only way to avoid this is to describe all cards , nrMint and less than nrMint in words. the use picture to grade usually means low grade but you will always get the losers whoc know this but bid hoping for a gem for nothing and when they don;t get it , they complain.
"I have never returned a raw card and I have bought a ton
of them on eBay."
"Are these people expecting PSA 8's and 9's?"
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Raw account is a GOOD idea. It is not worth risking NEGs on
main accounts to move a few raw junkers. I always list the
raw stuff - and it is ALWAYS "nice stuff" - on the lower FB
store accounts.
We cannot transpose our reasonable expectations onto the
conduct of eBay buyers. While we would never return a
card, the peasants and the burn-artists have different
ideas that will not be changed by praying that they all
act as reasonably as we do.
Yes! They are expecting something for nothing. And, they
think sellers are all running approval services. That is why
the way listings are worded is so critical.
"All items are accurately described and illustrated. There can be no
refunds or returns." That statement, in conjunction with proper
written descriptions and nice scans, will almost always allow
the seller to prevail, PROVIDED he can argue that the description
is "accurate" to a neutral third-party. (THIS does not protect
against NEG FB, only against eBay and PayPal claims. That is
why a segregated account is important.)
HUGE scans will not solve the problem. Even the "honest written
words" do not assure that some ah will not cause trouble. But,
absent those words, the buyer will almost always prevail in a
SNAD claim. It is faulty legal theory to assume that the absence
of descriptions somehow "protects the seller." The opposite is
true in SNAD disputes. The buyer in these kind of transactions
is always going to be seen as the lesser bearer of sophistication.
Not mentioning defects in writing is always seen as "misleading."
T&S views "lack of written descriptions" in the light most favorable
to the buyer.
If the card has bumped corners, the phrase "Lightly bumped
corners and great colors," is sufficient to protect the seller.
The word "lightly" is subjective enough that the third-party
arbiter (eBay/PayPal) will not be able to decide against the
seller, because it is "objective" enough to have put the
buyer on notice to take a look. (Silence is NOT golden in
disputes over "what was not said" in eBay listings. If the
seller relies solely on "what you saw is what you got" to
defend SNAD claims, the seller will seldom prevail.)
The voice of experience is speaking to you on this issue.
At the risk of being burned at the stake here, I would also add
that any notion that eBay buyers have some "duty" to protect
themselves is contrary to the way eBay's T&S nitwits view
the claims process. "It is not ok to burn stupid or blind people,"
on eBay. Views to the contrary lead to losses by sellers in
SNAD claims, and to a further reduction in the shrinking pool
of card buyers.
The instant buyer is, IMO, neither stupid nor blind and he is
wrongfully trying to turn the seller into an approval service.
Seller wording and written policies can defend against this
kind of buyer, and protect both good sellers and good buyers.
Like my uncle warned me long ago: "Never sell raw cards
on eBay and expect a problem free life."
storm
Zef
This is the size of the pic when I enlarge it with my computer.
I can't say for sure what the corners look like - but if I were bidding, I would have emailed for a larger scan.
I just called the leg factory - they're out! So the guy doesn't have a leg to stand on.
mike
I told the guy I would refund his money less shipping when I get the card back. I think I am going to heed storm's advice and start doing more in depth descriptions.
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<< <i>You guys must have the "automatic image resizing" checked in your IE settings. If you go to the bottom right corner you should be able to view it full size. I have just started putting in the thumbnails and I think I may go away from that. I thought it would be helpful to any d-uppers but I didn't realize that some people wouldn't click on the full size and/or be able to view it fully if they did.
I told the guy I would refund his money less shipping when I get the card back. I think I am going to heed storm's advice and start doing more in depth descriptions. >>
Zef
My bad...
I didn't do it right - I scrolled down and saw a larger scan and thought that was it! But, when I clicked on the smaller scan above it - and it plainly says: Click on image to enlarge card.
I get the ability to enlarge the pic to the size you say - I'll bet the guy may have missed it like I did.
Sorry
mike
Depending on how they were added to the auction, scans can be changed after an auction is completed while a description cannot. All a buyer would have to claim is that the scan in the auction is different from the one they bid on and, absent a description, would prevail in a dispute.
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