Wow, even the crickets are quiet....
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Yankees pull off a 5 game sweep of the Sawks in Fenway, first time in over 50 years. Yankees now have a 6.5 game lead in the East. Cano came through with 10 RBI in the series, Jete showed why he's the man in NY, Abreu showed that the trade was well worth it, Damon proved(as well as Cocos 1-for-18 in the series showing) that he's back close to 100%, and this SURELY has silenced the majority of the critics.
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getting ready to try the Yankee icons on for size yet fellas ?
-- Yogi Berra
closer gets blown up. OUCH
Phils still in the hunt, but since I said something we will go on a 5 game skid!
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Johnny Damon gets named player of the week hitting home runs, stealing bases, and making nice catches in the outfield all while Coco Crisp was flopping like a big bluefish just landed.
The crappy Yankee farm system smacked around the Red Sox with the likes of Robinson Cano, Melky Cabrera, Chein Ming Wang, and Scott Proctor while the Red Sox farm hands melted down and one even sent down.
All of these things Yankee fans around here have been combating since the winter just knocked the Red Sox out a total TKO at a crucial spot in the season. These are the types of games that we all are thinking about when trash talking in the winter and early season. The verdict is CLEARLY in. The Red SOx are left in shambles with virtually no pitching and are staring at 7 games behind the Yankees in the loss column when just 6 or so weeks ago they owned a 4 game lead in the division.
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<< <i>Yes it hurts. But we are used to it, heck Im still basking in the glory of the '04 team. >>
And good for you perk. You should remember 2004. ALWAYS remember 2004. That can never be taken away. I laugh when the Yankee haters try and shoot us down for DARING to remember any past glory which in the Yankees case, is a HELL OF ALOT.
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Giambi really has trimmed down since he went off the Juice.
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<< <i>I watched most of that Yankees - Red Sox game Sunday night. The Yankees did seem to have an intensity that I hadn't seen from them in awhile. >>
I agree on the intensity, and I credit this years change to two things....the young guys, particularly Cabrera & Cano, and now adding in Abreu, who has stepped in in amazing fashion, and has also taken it upon himself to take the young players under his wing. The combination seems to have added life to the whole bench.
Also, not to be understated, is the new coaching staff. Bowa in particular has a way with his players, and adds alot of energy to this team. Guidry has a fire in him too, something Stottlemyre was sorely lacking the last few years.
This could be a perfect mix, with the veterans realizing this may be their last chance, and the young guys learning how to be winners. Its all coming together real well for this team.
-- Yogi Berra
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<< <i>Abreu showed that the trade was well worth it, >>
What trade? You mean that sack of baseballs the Yanks gave Philly as they dumped Abreu and his $27 million over the remainder of this season and next on the Yankees? No other team could, or would, do such a thing. Only the Yanks can afford to do that. You make it sound like there is brilliant strategic baseball planning going on over there - let's see Cashman build his team with the payroll of a Royals or Marlins franchise. I know there is a big Yankee love-fest going on around here right now, but let's see this team for what it is.
The Red Sox stunk this weekend. Crisp was awful at the plate (he never gave up in the field, as shown when he tried to catch HGH's home run and crashed hard into the outfield fence). I have never seen such terrible relief pitching (other than Papelbon) in an important series. Schilling and Wells pitched well enough to win, and came up short. Ortiz did all he could do, but even he can't win it by himself.
This was 5 regular season games, though. Nothing was won or lost, yet. The Sox couldn't have played any worse as a team, and deserved to lose the series - but the season is far from over.
Now, you Yankee fans can go back to stroking each other.
Either way, it was a great 4 days. Nothing can take that way, not all the Sox fans bitterness in the world. There is alot of season left, and the Yankees still have alot of concerns come postseason if they do hold on to get there.....
Ok, Ive said what I had to say....back to stroking !!!!!!!!!!
-- Yogi Berra
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<< <i>Yes it hurts. But we are used to it, heck Im still basking in the glory of the '04 team. >>
And good for you perk. You should remember 2004. ALWAYS remember 2004. That can never be taken away. I laugh when the Yankee haters try and shoot us down for DARING to remember any past glory which in the Yankees case, is a HELL OF ALOT.
Congrats to the Yanks!
And as a Jays fan, I'm still basking in '92 and '93.
<< <i> What trade? You mean that sack of baseballs the Yanks gave Philly as they dumped Abreu and his $27 million over the remainder of this season and next on the Yankees? No other team could, or would, do such a thing. Only the Yanks can afford to do that. You make it sound like there is brilliant strategic baseball planning going on over there - let's see Cashman build his team with the payroll of a Royals or Marlins franchise. I know there is a big Yankee love-fest going on around here right now, but let's see this team for what it is.
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Oh boo hoo hoo Jerry. The Red SOx have the second highest payroll in all of baseball and they have found a way to make poor decision after poor decision after poor decision. Bronson Arroyo, Josh Beckett, Coco Crisp, Johnny Damon, and they even tried to get rid of Manny. Listen to you whine like you are a Royals fan. The Red Sox are where they are becuase of a string of awful moves and farm hands that proved highly over hyped (except for Paplebon). What a monumental bust Coco Crisp is and Josh Beckett well on his way to being. And the Sox gave up two VERY GOOD prospects for the over rated Beckett.
Listen, I understand that the whining about Abreu is the last and only leg you guys have to stand on. You just keep thinking that some "grand plan" is in the works on Yawkey Way. Just keep gobbling down what Theo and the Sox brass yap about as the Red Sox franchise sinks with not the brightest short term future either.
fine by me ... I am enjoying watching the way over hyped Sox farm hands, the collapse of Crisp and Beckett ... all the stuff that you were trying to tell Yankee fans just six weeks ago. The farm system is barron, the Yankees "did not plan" for what happened to them, bla, bla, bla
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<< <i> Congrats to the Yanks!
And as a Jays fan, I'm still basking in '92 and '93.
No congrats YET please.
You SHOULD still be basking in 92 and 93. I would. It is good to see the basking by you instead of barking and making excuses.
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<< <i>Listen, I understand that the whining about Abreu is the last and only leg you guys have to stand on. You just keep thinking that some "grand plan" is in the works on Yawkey Way. Just keep gobbling down what Theo and the Sox brass yap about as the Red Sox franchise sinks with not the brightest short term future either. >>
I think Sox fans may do the unthinkable and perhaps not watch the games on television (NESN's ratings will bear that out) and not show up to the park even if they have tickets. Theo's plan does not look like it will work this year or next. I'm not sure there really was a plan other than "hope" and that is not a method in my book. No whining about Abreu here. He was available, as were many others, while the Sox chose to stand pat. If standing pat, through the Miracle of all miracles, actually produces a team that can compete in this year's playoffs, I'll be wrong in my assessment. Theo et al don't seem to understand that Red Sox fans don't like the long term plan of "we'll win it all in 2008" but we will be mediocre until then in all games except vs. the National League.
The Sox gambled on this year with kid pitchers and they got burned. Varitek, Nixon, Wakefield all got hurt and it has been too much to overcome. I don't doubt that the Sox will gain a game here and there playing better then they did the last 5 games. They are not THAT bad or they would have 70 losses already.
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In all fairness, though, very very few teams are able to absorb the salaries that accompany these great trades. You can't fault George for his willingness to spend his money, but no team has the revenue and the TV deals, etc that the Yankees do. Even the Mets and the Sox have some semblance of a budget to adhere to when considering these moves.
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And yes, George Steinbrenner IS FAULTED all the time for wanting to win so bad. Alot of these teams have incredibly rich ownership that wouldn't dare put a cent of their own money trying to win. George Steinbrenner would spend his last dollar trying to win. And people hate him for that and use that as a last resort CRUTCH to lean on when things are not going well for them.
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Agreed.
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Now, I dont know if those numbers are true, to me it seems they have to have money coming in from every direction, but either way, they obviously arent making what alot of us thought they were. In the end it is strong evidence that Steinbrenner is indeed the best owner in all of sports. Right or wrong, for all his faults, the man will stop at nothing to put a winner on the field.
-- Yogi Berra
We get fed so many links and stories, etc but I AM SURE THIS WILL NOT FLY with the haters.
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I do not object to what Theo is doing. He felt no trade made sense at the deadline. Unless, there was a decent option to get Smoltz, Willis or Zito what addition would be worth giving up grade A prospects?
I tend not to evaluate trades or signings after 5 months and certainly not based on 5 games. Heck, when the Yankees traded David Wells for Roger Clemens in 1999 the Yankee fans were crying about what a bad trade it was because Roger was brutal his first year in pinstripes. They changed their tune pretty quick a year later. Josh Beckett is coveted by both the stat guys and the old-time scouts. He has been awful lately but comparing his numbers to past pitchers and with his stuff I will be awfully surprised if he does not rebound.
The Yankee deserve credit for getting so much out of a farm system that most thought was barren. Robinson Cano has been a great addition no question, and Cabrera has filled in well. Proctor has been solid in relief and Wang has had a great start to his career so for this year the farm system, surprising to most, came through. But, if you look at certain methods of evaluation, Wang would be the first post world-war two starting pitcher in history to have a successful career with his strikeout rate. Eventually by letting the ball get put in play so often his numbers will inflate severely. Really, though, does it make that much difference if the Yankees have a farm system? They can always sign the best free agent players available, or take on contracts that other teams can no longer afford as they did with Giambi, Sheffield, Damon, Mussina, AFraud, Abreu, and Johnson.
<< <i>Brian, do you realize that this report is going to threaten the FOUNDATION on which Yankee hatership is born? Threaten the CRUTCH that whiners use day in and day out? >>
You honestly believe the yankees lost money last year? If you believe that, george has a bridge there he'd love to sell you.
<< <i>We get fed so many links and stories, etc but I AM SURE THIS WILL NOT FLY with the haters.
The yankees lost money? hah! That's a good one.
<< <i> The yankees lost money? hah! That's a good one. >>
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<< <i>Brian, do you realize that this report is going to threaten the FOUNDATION on which Yankee hatership is born? Threaten the CRUTCH that whiners use day in and day out? >>
You honestly believe the yankees lost money last year? If you believe that, george has a bridge there he'd love to sell you.
<< <i>We get fed so many links and stories, etc but I AM SURE THIS WILL NOT FLY with the haters.
The yankees lost money? hah! That's a good one. >>
Psssst, Ax.....did you know the M's & Yankees are playing each other tonight ?
-- Yogi Berra
<< <i>They can always sign the best free agent players available, or take on contracts that other teams can no longer afford as they did with Giambi, Sheffield, Damon, Mussina, AFraud, Abreu, and Johnson. >>
Exactly.
Dan, this is what I meant when I mentioned how no other team could do the Abreu trade. Reports are, that for the remainder of this season and next, he is going to cost $27 million. That's $27 million! Half the payroll of several MLB teams. The Red Sox have tremendous resources to be sure, but even they are not players at that level. It's only the Yanks - like it or not.
And, true - the Sox have the second highest payroll. But, it's still only a little more than half of the Yanks bloated $200M+ payroll. To imply that they are on a level playing field is insane.
I will not use the payroll as an excuse, though - the Red Sox have not lived up to expectations thus far. I don't think Beckett or Crisp are as bad as you say they are (nor are they as bad as they played this weekend), but Theo had better be right about this plan of his for long term competitiveness. Even at half the payroll, Sox fans expect to compete with the Evil Empire every year, and if he's wrong - it won't be long before he wears out his welcome in Boston.
One thing CTSox is correct about...the Yankees payroll is BLOATED. They are paying big money to guys who arent even out on the field and contributing....Sheffield, Pavano, Sturtze, and Matsui. The only one worth keeping on that payroll is Matsui. I dont know if this is Pavano's last year on his contract (God I hope so) but Yanks can dump these guys and get better pitching and let these young kids come in and play!
Edited to add: I dont care how much the Yankees payroll is as long as it is LEAN, meaning the guys being paid are playing to their abilities and contributing!
typical blah,blah,blah ........ wah,wah,wah
edited to state the facts (as opposed to drummed up fantasy nation bullcrap) :
Abreu received $1.5 million from the Phillies to waive his no-trade clause and accept the deal. The Yankees owe him about $4.3 million of his $13.5 million salary this year, plus $15.5 million next season. He has a club option for $16 million in 2008 with a $2 million buyout. The Yankees did not exercise that option.
<< <i>so.....Abreau's contract of 13m for '06 and 15m for '07..has been spun into costing the yankees 27m?
typical blah,blah,blah ........ wah,wah,wah
edited to state the facts (as opposed to drummed up fantasy nation bullcrap) :
Abreu received $1.5 million from the Phillies to waive his no-trade clause and accept the deal. The Yankees owe him about $4.3 million of his $13.5 million salary this year, plus $15.5 million next season. He has a club option for $16 million in 2008 with a $2 million buyout. The Yankees did not exercise that option >>
I don't care who is right or who is wrong on this, but it is important to consider all of the facts. Assuming that the above information is correct (and since much of it is a direct quote from ESPN, I figure it is), NY owes Abreu at least $19.8 million. Given the fact that the Yankees are well above the MLB payroll cap and have been above that cap for successive years, they will have to pay MLB 40% of the amount over the cap. So for Abreu, using the $19.8 million as the basis, that means NY will kick in an additional $7.92 million solely due to Abreu's presence over the 2006-2007 seasons. Total damage is $27.72 million.
<< <i>It was great management to bring Abreu to the Yanks. Yankees can let go of Sheffield's contract and not pick up his option and replace him with Abreu for the next three years(or is it 2?). >>
But they won't do that...they are going to move sheffield to 1B and giambi to DH.
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<< <i>It was great management to bring Abreu to the Yanks. Yankees can let go of Sheffield's contract and not pick up his option and replace him with Abreu for the next three years(or is it 2?). >>
But they won't do that...they are going to move sheffield to 1B and giambi to DH. >>
I would bet almost anything at this point that Sheffield will not be back. Look for Cabrera to get the left field nod next yr, Damon in center, Abreu in right, and Matsui at DH.
-- Yogi Berra