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Manny Ramirez AL MVP

RickyHendersonSDRickyHendersonSD Posts: 327
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Hell, this guy is hitting .331 only 4 or 5 points behind Mr. Perfect and has many more Home Runs. He has been a 1 man wrecking crew against the Yankees.

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  • 5STAT5STAT Posts: 835
    for a guy who can't even run out a squibber hit in the infield....NO WAY!!

    Papi if anyone..

    Manny has too much of a bad attitude here in Boston. Yes, he puts up the numbers....but has turned into a lazy player....

    you can't run out a hit to the infield...stay on the bench!! That's basics 101...it wins games...
    But what do you want for $20M.

    Heck for that money...I'd carry him to 1st base!!
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭


    << <i>for a guy who can't even run out a squibber hit in the infield....NO WAY!!

    Papi if anyone..

    Manny has too much of a bad attitude here in Boston. Yes, he puts up the numbers....but has turned into a lazy player....

    you can't run out a hit to the infield...stay on the bench!! That's basics 101...it wins games...
    But what do you want for $20M.

    Heck for that money...I'd carry him to 1st base!! >>



    I cant REALLY argue but he has started paying more attention in the outfield.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Manny has played left field very well this year. Still, he doesn't get my nod for MVP. He's not more valuable than Ortiz. Plus, a team that doesn't go to the playoffs generally shouldn't get the award...yeah, I know that matters not to the voters (witness A-Rod in Texas).
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    After this series, the argument for Jeter gets more convincing, especially if the Sox fail to make the playoffs. Ortiz & Manny have the numbers for sure, but the MVP is all about winning and failing to make the postseason is failing to get the job done.


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  • aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭
    ~"but the MVP is all about winning and failing to make the postseason is failing to get the job done."~

    Lately the MVP has been about who can drive in the most runs.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lately the MVP has been about who can drive in the most runs.

    That may be true, but it is not in the spirit of what the award signifies. I don't see how a player from a big-market team who doesn't play the field should get the MVP if his team fails to make the postseason, especially when there are more deserving candidates.


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  • mnmcoinmnmcoin Posts: 2,165 ✭
    I know he is hotter than heck, but I don't even think he is MVP of the Sox. Did you see big papi turn that bad hop single into a double last night...that is MVP in my book. The same way Steve Nash is MVP...you pick your team up by the boot straps and carry them across that line. The only person Manny picks up is himself.

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  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    Is this the same Manny that was too good for the All Star Game??

    LOL, he is also too good for the MVP....you don't think people will remember that?

    JS
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,492 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>but the MVP is all about winning and failing to make the postseason is failing to get the job done. >>



    A-Rod, Texas Rangers. Enough said.
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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't care who wins the MVP. Ortiz, can have it. I want post season wins more than Jeter winning a MVP.

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  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭


    << <i>I don't care who wins the MVP. Ortiz, can have it. I want post season wins more than Jeter winning a MVP. >>




    Exactly.

    Personal awards take a back seat to winning. Give Manny & Ortiz co MVP, give Papelbon the ROY, give Schilling or whoever else the CY. I will take my team winning in the postseason over those awards any day. Im sure Jeter would agree image
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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    From one of my favorite Sox blog sites -



    The Jeter game-tying hit. Classic. The cheapest little thing, as always. Right fielders should take ten steps in whenever he's up. If they did, he'd be a .200 hitter.

    And about this Jeter being an MVP candidate thing: Total BS. Invented by Michael Kay. I've come to realize that announcers decide award-winners. They have the power to create a buzz about a player. The voters don't know squat; they see their hometown players, but after that, all they do is listen to what other people say. So I was watching when Kay, one day, decided that since A-Rod was clearly gonna lose to Papi this year, he'd go ahead and start saying that "Jeter's having an MVP-type season." I listened to this crap from this megalomaniac for a while, and then on Friday, knowing he'd fully put the MVP thought in people's heads, he came out with this: "The general mindset in baseball is that you've got two MVP candidates: Jeter and Ortiz."

    Michael Kay is a horrible man.

    Anyway, I thought, okay, Jeter has the average, but Manny's getting close to him in that department. Sure enough, they're now within ten points of each other. Only Manny has 34 homers to Jeter's 10, and 100 RBI to his 74. .444 OBP to Jeter's .413. .637 SLG to Jeter's .472.

    So, if Jeter's in this race with Papi, which he isn't anyway, then put Manny right in there with him.

    While writing all that, I'm watching game 5, and Kay went right into another Jeter asskissing session. He just asked Flaherty, "I know the lay fan just marvels at what Jeter does, but do other players marvel at him in the clubhouse?" Then as Kay brought up the catch where Jeter dove into the stands in 2004, (which symbolized the Yanks' "big show, no results" way of the past few seasons, and Pokey's catch was better, anyway), the replay of it appeared instantly. In other words, this was another pre-planned "let's get Jeter an MVP" setup. These guys, the entire Yankee announcing crew, should be lined up and shot. In the kneecaps.

    And that includes Jim Kaat. I've given him credit in the past, and yes, he's their best analyst, and knows how to do that job, but not only has he become senile before our ears, he's also become more and more of a Steinbrenner shill. He joins the rest of that crew: Kay, Justice, Lorenz, Leiter, etc, on my DTM list. (Dead to me.)

    Hey, lets' just bring up real quick how Cory Lidle's grandma died, he found out about it, then bought some Jujy Fruits, in other words, got his start in, and then went on the bereavement list.

    Only the Yankees would do this. "You get your start in, then go, and we'll get a reliever to take your place for the three days you're out, since you wouldn't have been available anyway." Only the Yanks would find a loophole in a rule that invloves grandma dying. That's two horrible things done by Seinfeld characters at once: The Jujy Fruits and the Death Certificate.

    I've said it my whole life: Between that stuff, the guys on steroids, the pure ass holes, the Jeter bloops, I don't know how any human being could root for that team.

    I don't remember what I was talking about. Anyway, the good news about the Yanks winning these games is that they're getting arrogant again. As we know, when they beat us, it's "their World Series," since they can't win a real one. So this is looking like another one of those great years when Yankee fans think they're going to win, but they totally don't.

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  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭
    Kay may be a complete dope.....I think most Yankee fans as well as haters can agree on that, but the rest of that little gem is the work of a very, very bitter Sox fan somewhere.
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  • ToppsCo1lectorToppsCo1lector Posts: 2,633
    CT-Your SO bitter, I'm laughing it up. How bout you saying Robinson Cano produced the same RBI total as your boys Manny and Ortiz? I said he'd be key. You called me out on it and hide for a good minute. Jete gets it done, WS MVP.
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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭


    << <i>CT-Your SO bitter, I'm laughing it up. How bout you saying Robinson Cano produced the same RBI total as your boys Manny and Ortiz? I said he'd be key. You called me out on it and hide for a good minute. Jete gets it done, WS MVP. >>



    See - that's the kind of stuff that always comes back to haunt you guys...WS MVP? A bit premature, don't you think?

    Unless, as I presume, this past weekend was your World Series for 2006.
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  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>CT-Your SO bitter, I'm laughing it up. How bout you saying Robinson Cano produced the same RBI total as your boys Manny and Ortiz? I said he'd be key. You called me out on it and hide for a good minute. Jete gets it done, WS MVP. >>



    See - that's the kind of stuff that always comes back to haunt you guys...WS MVP? A bit premature, don't you think?

    Unless, as I presume, this past weekend was your World Series for 2006. >>



    If there is one absolute certainly in Yankeeland, it is that from the upper brass, to the coaches, to the players, to the fans, it is that there is only one world series every year. From top to bottom no organization or group of fans has higher expectations, and has no illusions over what matters the most. Regular season triumphs, great. Personal awards, nice to see. Playoff birth, always good. None of them compare to the ultimate prize though, and nobody knows about that gig more than us.
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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,248 ✭✭✭
    Honestly, dont all announcers beef up there best players to be MVP if it looks like they have a chance? Kay is a regional announcer. He isnt reaching the entire country so most people don't even know or even care what he is saying.
    And that blog...Im sorry to say so much is wrong with it than right. I don't even have the energy to type it all but it does boil down to a bitter Red Sox fan.
    The writers will look at the canidates and make their pick. History shows that HRs and RBIs arent the only thing that wins MVP awards. Yes, Ortiz deserves his recognition and maybe even the MVP. It always doesnt seem fair. Good example is Pujols coming in second for what, 2 or 3 years behind Bonds? When it was clear Pujols should have been the MVP over the big headed steroid juiced Bonds.
    Yes, it would be a nice feather in any players cap....but lets just win that World Series!!!!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeter is a very worthy MVP candidate this year, especially if the Sox fail to make the playoffs (which they probably will). The year A-rod won the MVP with Texas was only because his numbers were so staggering (52HR, 150 RBI .325 BA). He also benefitted from a fairly weak field of candidates that year. Despite that, the MVP should, IMHO, go to a guy who plays for a team that wins the division (or at least makes the wildcard) and who plays the field, too.


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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jerry,

    why do you post these bush league articles?

    Yankee announcers knee caps shot? image

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Never (including any Yankee fan) have I read so much hatred and venom

    Unless, of course, the topic is A-Rod! image


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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    grote,

    you caught that before I axed it. I don't want to get carried away with this stuff ya know image

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And Jerry,

    YOU have said enough stuff the past few months to haunt you for years.

    The Yankees pitching, The Yankees farm system, The Yankees ownership, The Yankees announcers, The Yankees lineup, the Yankees injuries.

    You have been wrong wrong wrong wrong.

    Coco Crisp, Josh Beckett, Lester, Hanson wrong wrong wrong wrong.

    You say alot of things that you would be apalled at if Yankee fans were saying them ......

    ahhhh hell, you love your Red SOx ....... and there is nothing wrong with that image

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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Hey, don't get me wrong Dan - I certainly realize that blog entry was a bit over the top. But, I figured it was entertaining enough to bring here, especially in light of recent events...

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