methinks mr. Damon not quite washed up yet

bri2327

yeah so.....go on Sox fans, tell us all how it doesnt matter, how he will be washed up next year, or the year after, or the year.......

Remind us all how dumping him and picking up Coco pepples was a move for next year and the year after and the year after....

meanwhile, back in reality, today, Damon has 3 hits including a triple and a home run.

Axtell

You still think he's worth the $52 million over 4 years that the yankees are going to pay him?

bri2327

<< <i>You still think he's worth the $52 million over 4 years that the yankees are going to pay him? >>



Since he is having a great year for the Yankees, and further, since I do not write the checks, yes I definately do.

softparade

Ax, Damon is having a very good year. He has been a plus for the Yanks. We can sit here and name MANY MANY players who are supposedly "not worth" their salary.

Jerry is the one who claims that THIS year does not matter. It is the 3rd and 4th year that matters. He says we can't gauge Damon this year or next year. Well, I asked him what happens if Damon is the one who personally sends the Sox onto the golf course in a crucial game THIS year? Never got a answer.

Listen, Damon is heating up .... the past 3 weeks he has been great as compared to very good up till then.

bri2327

Anyway, who the hell cares about 3 or 4 years from now ? Who knows what will happen with Damon, Crisp, or Jeter, Ortiz & manny for that matter in 4 years. Its about now. The facts of right now, this season, today are that Damon is a vastly superior player to Crisp who is doing alot more for his team than Crisp is for his.

ToppsCo1lector

Everyone who has ever played competitively knows only today matters. Tommorow? Worry about that when you get there. Thinking that Coco crispy would replace Damon who has been a standout since his days in DC....eh I highly doubt it. He's been turning it on as of late, and it looks like he's getting healthy for this fall run.

RickyHendersonSD

ToppsCo1lector and bri2327,

Careful there boys. You might be accused by you know who of being Spammy.

softparade

<< <i> The facts of right now, this season, today are that Damon is a vastly superior player to Crisp who is doing alot more for his team than Crisp is for his. >>



That is a under statement

ToppsCo1lector

That's okay, let "him" throw around his weak jabs if he wants. My favorite baseball team is in first place and just thoroughly thumped it's most trumped up rivals in their own yard. Although as meaningless as preseason NFL is, the G-men are at 2-0.

perkdog

OK!! ENOUGH ALLREADY!!!!! I WISH DAMON NEVER LEFT!! OK!!! PLEASE STOP!!! SHEEESH!!!!

bri2327

<< <i>OK!! ENOUGH ALLREADY!!!!! I WISH DAMON NEVER LEFT!! OK!!! PLEASE STOP!!! SHEEESH!!!! >>

aro13

Yes, Damon is having a very good year and he was great today. But the reality for teams other than the Yankees, is that they have to look at the entire length of the contract and not at one year. Had Damon asked for a 2 year deal at 30 million the Sox probably would have locked him up.
The difference for the Yankees if Damon starts being awful in year 3 is that the Yankees can just put another 15 million player in his place. For the Sox and others it does not work that way.
Of course, had the Yankees signed Carlos Beltran instead of their lousy off-seaon transactions last year, Johnny Damon might still be playing for the Sox for 4 years and 39 million dollars.

ctsoxfan

<< <i>Yes, Damon is having a very good year and he was great today. But the reality for teams other than the Yankees, is that they have to look at the entire length of the contract and not at one year. Had Damon asked for a 2 year deal at 30 million the Sox probably would have locked him up.
The difference for the Yankees if Damon starts being awful in year 3 is that the Yankees can just put another 15 million player in his place. For the Sox and others it does not work that way.
Of course, had the Yankees signed Carlos Beltran instead of their lousy off-seaon transactions last year, Johnny Damon might still be playing for the Sox for 4 years and 39 million dollars. >>



At least someone gets it.

I expected all the Yankee fans to come out of the closet with Damon jerseys on after that game, but read the above post again. It's what I have been saying about the Damon signing (same with the Pedro signing) all along. It's a philosophy that the Red Sox are sticking to, in order to ensure long term competitiveness within a reasonable team salary. Yankee fans don't need to worry about such things, however.

Of course, he could not throw someone out tonight trying to score from second, and the cheers will turn to boos.

ctsoxfan

<< <i>ToppsCo1lector and bri2327,

Careful there boys. You might be accused by you know who of being Spammy. >>




There is only one Spammy. Actually, 2 at the moment. Neither one of those guys are him, though.

bri2327

another 2 run HR for Mr. Damon.

6-9 so far in only 13 innings played.

softparade

<< <i>
At least someone gets it.

I expected all the Yankee fans to come out of the closet with Damon jerseys on after that game, but read the above post again. It's what I have been saying about the Damon signing (same with the Pedro signing) all along. It's a philosophy that the Red Sox are sticking to, in order to ensure long term competitiveness within a reasonable team salary. >>



Jerry, very funny post. Tell me, when are YOU guys going to "get" that Coco Crisp is a BUST and a awful signing. The fact that the Red Sox tried like hell to trade him is not a good enough hint for you?

Your "analysis" on the Damon signing by Yankee is as flawed as the San Adreas fault. You Sox fans just GOBBLED down that bull$hit about the Damon trade not being about this year or next year. Meanwhile, Coco Crisp stinks and the Red Sox bullpen is as bad as it has been in a looooong time.

Johnny Damon is on fire, has already reached his career high in homeruns, has become a hit machine and yet we are sti listening to ........ "well, you know, the Damon trade is not about this year. It is about four years down the road bla bla bla wa wa wa wa wa "

softparade

<< <i> Of course, he could not throw someone out tonight trying to score from second, and the cheers will turn to boos. >>



please, stop it. What was that I heard tonight Jerry as the Red Sox wilted and their bullpen was CLOBBERED in that ugly marathon?

You bet, it was Sox fans BOOING the Red Sox. You can stop with the all high and mighty speal Jer Time to eat some pride. Coco Crisp SUCKS, Johnny Damon ripped apart the Red Sox in this double header ..... and Red Sox fans BOOED their little lobster a$$e$ off.

spin away

ctsoxfan

Dan, I know you think I'm crazy, but it's too early to call the Crisp signing a "bust", and the only time his name came up in trade talks was for Andruw Jones. If I can get an Andruw Jones on my team, just about anyone is trade bait.

Yes, the bullpen sucks. I am disgusted with not being able to hold a 10-7 lead in the 7th inning, with Timlin serving up batting practice. But, how much better was the crappy Yankee bullpen? After Ponson stunk it up, two guys came in I've never heard of, and they let the Sox score at will. With what I saw out there today, neither one of these teams is poised to do anything in the postseason against clubs like Detroit, Chicago, even the Twins.

ToppsCo1lector

LOL. Andruw Jones for Coco Crisp? lol. Sorry but that trade would NEVER HAPPEN. All it is was that the BoSox claimed Jones off of waivers, they didn't have what it took to actually trade for him.

softparade

Jer,

In that double header the Yankess pen gave up 5 runs combined. The Red Sox pen coughed up 15 runs. The Yankees brought in Bruney, the ONLY guy you have never heard of. Yes thats right, look at the box score. Yanks team reliever ERA is 3.86. The Sox are up at 4.33 and that is with the miniscule Paplebon ERA. That is a half run difference. That is alot.

The Yankee bullpen is MUCH better then the Sox pen. I will take Scott Proctor, Ron Villione, Kyle Farnsworth (don't love him but better then any Sox), and Rivera over ANY combination you dream up out of that pen.

ctsoxfan

ToppsCollector, if you don't have the facts, then don't post on something-

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 08/04/06

Pittsburgh — The nonwaiver trade deadline passed Monday, but that doesn't mean some big-name players still couldn't be dealt.

Braves center fielder Andruw Jones, whom the Braves had discussed in a possible trade with the Red Sox, was placed on the waiver list Tuesday.

The Braves and Red Sox talked about a trade for Jones, and Crisp was one of several players the Braves wanted back. But, the Braves wanted too many young pitchers along with Crisp, so the Sox passed, and Jones was put on waivers.

softparade

Well, the reason the Braves wanted so many other players is becuase Coco Crisp is not even on the same planet as Andruw Jones, or Johnny Damon for that matter.

bri2327

Damon.....less than 3 games so far......9-16, 2 HR's, 7 rbi's, 5 runs.....Coco pebbles, 1-9

Side note to Josh, that little 17 inch white thing in front of the catcher....the ball is supposed to go over it, not around it.

softparade

Beckett just plain ol stinks. Outside of Schilling and Papelbon, the Red Sox have hideous pitching. This series has just magnified that fact.

Damon has sliced up the Sox like a good Hibatchi cook doing his thing on veggies. Robinson Cano, Melky Cabrera have sliced and diced the Sox right next to Damon.

Lets keep this going tomorrow vs Schilling and really bury these saps

yankeeno7

So far, this is a true Red Sox implosion!

13 walks today...wow.

bri2327

Too early to call this the Boston Massacre part II ?

ToppsCo1lector

<< <i>ToppsCollector, if you don't have the facts, then don't post on something-

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 08/04/06

Pittsburgh — The nonwaiver trade deadline passed Monday, but that doesn't mean some big-name players still couldn't be dealt.

Braves center fielder Andruw Jones, whom the Braves had discussed in a possible trade with the Red Sox, was placed on the waiver list Tuesday.

The Braves and Red Sox talked about a trade for Jones, and Crisp was one of several players the Braves wanted back. But, the Braves wanted too many young pitchers along with Crisp, so the Sox passed, and Jones was put on waivers. >>



The ONLY reason Atl wanted Coco back was to have serviceable CF, if you have any thoughts that the reason ATL would trade Jones was for HIM your WAY off. The Braves are looking for pitching, and the FACT is the Braves wanted the best young pitching prospects the Sox have. Hate to break it to you, Coca is nothing to write home about(as if you haven't figured this out yet lol).

Axtell

<< <i> LOL. Andruw Jones for Coco Crisp? lol. Sorry but that trade would NEVER HAPPEN. All it is was that the BoSox claimed Jones off of waivers, they didn't have what it took to actually trade for him. >>






<< <i>The ONLY reason Atl wanted Coco back was to have serviceable CF, if you have any thoughts that the reason ATL would trade Jones was for HIM your WAY off. The Braves are looking for pitching, and the FACT is the Braves wanted the best young pitching prospects the Sox have. Hate to break it to you, Coca is nothing to write home about(as if you haven't figured this out yet lol). >>



Backpedal much?

Look, no one said the sox tried to trade atlanta straight up andruw for coco. But the trade would have revolved around those 2, as the braves are looking to dump salary (just like the phils did with Abreu). The braves wanted too many prospects to make the deal go through.

Here's your plate of crow...enjoy!

ToppsCo1lector

dummy, the ONLY reason Atl was interested was for the grade A prospects they were seeking in return. The trade wouldn't have "revolved" around Coco AT ALL, he was simply a positional player toss in as Atlanta is looking to reload on pitching. Still unknowledgeable about the game.

Axtell

<< <i>dummy, the ONLY reason Atl was interested was for the grade A prospects they were seeking in return. The trade wouldn't have "revolved" around Coco AT ALL, he was simply a positional player toss in as Atlanta is looking to reload on pitching. Still unknowledgeable about the game. >>



But wait, you said in your initial post on the matter:



<< <i> LOL. Andruw Jones for Coco Crisp? lol. Sorry but that trade would NEVER HAPPEN. >>



Seems you are the one who doesn't know the game?

How's that crow tasting about now?

ToppsCo1lector

Once again, the players Atl were seeking would've made Coco the last man mentioned in the trade. As I said, the trade didn't happen. Why? Because Atl wanted atleast 2 top pitching prospects. You do know that the TRADE DIDN'T HAPPEN. Once again, the Red Sox didn't want to get rid of the PITCHING. Coco was, and is a positional fill in. You again show your stupidity of the game.

Axtell

<< <i>Once again, the players Atl were seeking would've made Coco the last man mentioned in the trade. >>



So wouldn't atlanta have been trading Andruw for Coco? Yes or no? It's a simple question...



<< <i> As I said, the trade didn't happen. Why? Because Atl wanted atleast 2 top pitching prospects. You do know that the TRADE DIDN'T HAPPEN. Once again, the Red Sox didn't want to get rid of the PITCHING. Coco was, and is a positional fill in. You again show your stupidity of the game. >>



No, you are being a complete ass. Was coco going to be traded for andruw (regardless of the other players involved).

ANSWER THE QUESTION YES OR NO, SIR.

ToppsCo1lector

how are the other players regardless? Were they not the reason the trade didn't happen? I guess they Do not matter; even though they are the reason the trade didn't happen. Hmmmm, makes ya think which is worth more? Not really. The REAL answer is the trade didn't happen because the pitching prospects. Point blank. End of discussion. It's already been shown to be true douche.

Axtell

No, answer the damn question.

Was andruw going to be traded for coco crisp?

Your inability to answer this simple question proves beyond a doubt you were wrong in your initial post, and your continued denial to admit as much proves even further your inability to admit when you're wrong.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

ToppsCo1lector

No, Andruw Jones wasn't going to be traded for Coco Crisp. He was going to be traded for 2 Grade A pitching prospects. It's quite obvious if it was Jones for Crisp that it would've happened, but it didn't.

Axtell

<< <i>No, Andruw Jones wasn't going to be traded for Coco Crisp. He was going to be traded for 2 Grade A pitching prospects. It's quite obvious if it was Jones for Crisp that it would've happened, but it didn't. >>



So the braves wouldn't have acquired crips if they sent andruw over to the red sox if the trade had happened?

You sure about that one sparky?

ToppsCo1lector

So why didn't the trade happen then if Coco was Atlanta principle interest? Oh thats right, he was a position throw in. lol spin spin spin buddy, but if Atl wanted the Crisp for Jones deal it would've happened.

Axtell

<< <i>So why didn't the trade happen then if Coco was Atlanta principle interest? Oh thats right, he was a position throw in. lol spin spin spin buddy, but if Atl wanted the Crisp for Jones deal it would've happened. >>



Why do you insist on spinning?

I said, plain and simple, if the trade had gone through, would coco have been sent to atlanta and andruw to boston?

Yes, or no. It's quite easy.

ToppsCo1lector

No, because Coco is/was not the principle part of the deal, a simple throw in. Why didn't the deal go through Ax?

Axtell

<< <i>No, because Coco is/was not the principle part of the deal, a simple throw in. Why didn't the deal go through Ax? >>



So you're saying if the deal had gone through, boston would have had both andruw and coco crisp?

You sure that's what you're saying?

yankeeno7

My head is spinning....why continue the arguement? Axhole, you know what he meant, why make it more than what it is? Stop being unreasonable and discuss instead of provoke.