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PSA 9 Mantle...A great deal!?

PSARichPSARich Posts: 534 ✭✭✭
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Tell me what you think of this ebay sale. I just ran across it searching for latest prices on PSA 9 Mantles. Ebay Item number: 290017663913

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  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,582 ✭✭✭✭
    Questions:

    1. Why would the seller leave a $6,000 price sticker on the card and make the BIN $1,999?

    2. What's up with the font on that flip???

    3. What's up with the terrible 97.7% feedback???

    I would have to say this 'sale' is not going to end well for the buyer.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • PSARichPSARich Posts: 534 ✭✭✭
    Some of my thoughts too. A $6,000 tag is left on it and the current SMR is $8500, yet the BIN is $1,999. I do believe it is an older flip of PSA's as I have some cards I had graded where the grade was indented from the right like this one and the font similar. I'm thinking that if the deal goes through, the buyer has hit gold. It just doesn't make sense to have a BIN like that when if the seller just left it out for seven days he would have done much better on the price.
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,582 ✭✭✭✭
    By the way, here's the link:

    '59 Mantle
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭
    That card doesn't look right; weird font, the "MINT 9" type doesn't align properly and, if it's an old holder, why isn't there a hologram on the back?
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  • diamondmandiamondman Posts: 2,020
    well the cert# 08150708 does come up as 1959 PSA 9 NQ Mickey Mantle, awfully cheap price . best of luck to the buyer.
  • shouldabeena10shouldabeena10 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭
    It looks like the auction ended with a BIN.

    If you look at his last 25 buys you'll see that most of them are reprints, fakes, and doctored cards. Could be a cracked case, with a doctored reprint inside.

    He's got a few solid buys in his feedback (along with some of the other cards he's listing), but I'd still have a hard time hitting that BIN and completeing the transaction through any other means than in person.
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  • JonBJonB Posts: 495 ✭
    It is really hard to tell with the white background on the scan, but it sure does look like the slab has been cracked.
  • 1960toppsguy1960toppsguy Posts: 1,127 ✭✭
    The picture of the back of the card is clearly a new slab, and the front is a really old slab, sombebody's fixin to get rooked!image
  • tripolitripoli Posts: 239
    Has anyone ever seen that type font before?
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  • LEDFOOTLEDFOOT Posts: 117 ✭
    Not all of PSA holders have holograms on the back.

    I would think he could get more than BIN price






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  • RedHeart54RedHeart54 Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭
    If it sounds too good to be true...
  • calleochocalleocho Posts: 1,569 ✭✭
    The combination of the font and the back of the flip do not match up.

    Smells...

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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All of his negs are from selling fake cards. Maybe he's graduated to putting them in PSA flips. This one can only end badly.
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • Divy1Divy1 Posts: 29
    I know the buyer. I'll see what he has to say when and if he gets the card.
  • MantlefanMantlefan Posts: 1,079 ✭✭
    Definitely a reprint with a photoshopped label.
    Frank

    Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
  • Divy1Divy1 Posts: 29
    I just heard back from my buddy and as expected, the card "is no good". He was able to stop payment on his check. Once again, if it's too good to be true......
  • diamondmandiamondman Posts: 2,020


    << <i>I just heard back from my buddy and as expected, the card "is no good". He was able to stop payment on his check. Once again, if it's too good to be true...... >>



    Hope Ebay kicks this seller off forever . glad your friend was able to stop payment.
  • bri2327bri2327 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭


    << <i>I just heard back from my buddy and as expected, the card "is no good". He was able to stop payment on his check. Once again, if it's too good to be true...... >>



    Your buddy got very luck he was able to back out before getting burned.

    Out of curiousity, how did he confirm the card was bogus ?
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  • marzmarz Posts: 1,601
    The guy typed his own tab and stuck it in the holder. Have any of you seen font like that on any card from any psa filp you have owned???
    its a fake.

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  • Divy1Divy1 Posts: 29
    He didn't really say. We just exchanged quick emails. I'll probably talk to him after the Red Sox-Yankees series to see who has bragging rights and then I'll find out more. He is pretty a pretty careful guy.

    I thought I would take a shot. Its no good. I still have the card, and stopped payment on my check. I wont lose anything on it.
  • usmc1986usmc1986 Posts: 444
    I would go to the authorities. That's big time felony action. I always stay away from auctions and sellers that are potentially bogus. Report it to Ebay as well!!

    Dan
    "If the Army and the Navy ever look on Heaven's scene, they will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines!" - Marine Corps Hymn
  • joemaggiojoemaggio Posts: 329


    << <i>I just heard back from my buddy and as expected, the card "is no good". He was able to stop payment on his check. Once again, if it's too good to be true...... >>



    None of this sounds right.

    How did your buddy manage to send a check, determine the card was fake and cancel the check all within 7 days of the auction's end? Especially when he (?) seems to use PayPal for every other high dollar auction win. I doubt the seller would send a $2000 card before the check cleared. Of course, it was a worthless card and not really worth $2000.

    And, even if all this is true, why the hell didn't the buyer leave negative feedback? Not leaving a negative just makes it that much easier for this con man to screw somebody else.
  • Divy1Divy1 Posts: 29
    I couldn't believe that the seller would send the card out before he had the $$$ safely in his pocket, BUT I don't doubt my friend for a minute. We do quite a bit of business back and forth he is about as straight up as they come. I took his answer to me as short hand that he wasn't going to get burned on a bum deal.
  • brianwintersfanbrianwintersfan Posts: 3,626 ✭✭
    Sorry to say I don't buy any of this "buddy" stuff either. The auction ended on the 10th and by the 17th the check got there and the card was shipped and received??
    And on top of that no negative feedback was left for this scammer?? Not sure if you are trying to impress us with inserting yourself into this fiasco but I for one don't think this passes the smell test.
  • SOMSOM Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭
    Especially since the Seller states in the auction listing that "checks are held 7-10 days."

  • Divy1Divy1 Posts: 29
    I for one don't think this passes the smell test.

    Perhaps you should switch deodorants.


    I don’t know whether to laugh at you or be angry for impugning my integrity. Laughing is better for my health and an appropriate response. Believe me, but I am well past having to impress anyone. I saw the thread, clicked the link and was alarmed because I recognized the buyer’s id. We have done a fair amount of business together and have become friends. When a friend tells me something, I tend to believe it or to reserve judgement until I have bulletproof evidence to the contrary. Unbelievably, this thread’s focus has shifted from the scumbag who sold the card and the possible damage to the buyer, to a personal attack on both the buyer and myself. This is another example of why so many people no longer post here. While there are still a few intelligent people here who have something of merit to offer, there are too many twits.


  • ptarmandiblexptarmandiblex Posts: 37


    << <i>I for one don't think this passes the smell test.

    Perhaps you should switch deodorants.


    I don’t know whether to laugh at you or be angry for impugning my integrity. Laughing is better for my health and an appropriate response. Believe me, but I am well past having to impress anyone. I saw the thread, clicked the link and was alarmed because I recognized the buyer’s id. We have done a fair amount of business together and have become friends. When a friend tells me something, I tend to believe it or to reserve judgement until I have bulletproof evidence to the contrary. Unbelievably, this thread’s focus has shifted from the scumbag who sold the card and the possible damage to the buyer, to a personal attack on both the buyer and myself. This is another example of why so many people no longer post here. While there are still a few intelligent people here who have something of merit to offer, there are too many twits. >>



    You're right. The focus of this thread is the glaring fact that the Mantle had all the credibility of a King James Bible. Regardless of the details of the payment/discovery, the bottom line is exposing the douchebag who listed the bogus card and tried to steal from honest card collectors and dealers. The unopened packs debacle is bad enough without this sort of thing.
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  • Divy1Divy1 Posts: 29
    I sent my friend a link to this thread and this is the response that I got. I hesitate to address the matter, but . .
    thats amazing!!!!! I knew it was too good to be true, but at the same time the card checked out on PSA. I made the deal only with the stipulation that I overnighted the funds, and he overnighted the card, which is what happened. This is the 6th time in 8 years that I bought a " Too good to be true " I am 3 & 3 so far, and have not lost a dime. It must me the Gambler in me. What the hell, why not take a shot once in a while, as long as you dont lose? I got a second email about the card, so thanks for watching out for me. Good to hear from you

    Why the seller would agree to those terms knowing that the card was bogus is beyond me. I can only surmise that perhaps he did not. The important thing to me is that my friend was not stuck. There is the larger issue of how to police the sale of bogus graded cards.
  • cravetoppscravetopps Posts: 1,134
    why is this guy not prosecuted? you would think that both ebay and psa would go after this jerk. this is bad stuff.
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  • Divy1Divy1 Posts: 29
    ebay does as little as possible, but I think that you have a good point about PSA. It's not good for business to have cards like this floating around.
  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe the seller is just dumb enough that he though he could pass
    off the fake card and the buyer would believe it.
    I said earlier that this seller has his negs from selling fake cards.
    I guess every once in awhile you can find a diamond but
    most of the time you will get burned. Glad the buyer has
    not been taken and this scamster has been outed.
    Unfortunately, if he doesn't go to jail he will get a
    novice collector to bite on his fakes. How many fakes
    has he already sold to uneducated buyers that didn't know
    better? Imagine their suprise when they go to sell because
    they need money urgently and are told their $1000.00
    card is worthless. Another felon giving the hobby a bad name.
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  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    The funny thing is...even if the buyer tried to neg the seller, I don't think it would stick under ebay's new policy. I believe the seller would be able to file a non-paying bidder alert since the check was cancelled, and once the strike was settled in the seller's favor, the buyer's feedback would no longer count.

    Anyway, I'm glad the seller didn't succeed...this time.
  • craig19craig19 Posts: 648
    I sent the seller of the MANTLE a note asking if his other listings are also fakes, and here is his word for word reply:

    "hey dude they are real f off"

    This is a real class act we are dealing with...
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