Johnny Bench PSA-10`S (69-OPC & 70 topps)

speeder

Hi All

Here are two of my favorite Bench cards,, in PSA-10 !!

The 1969 OPC PSA-10 is $2195.00

The 1970 Topps PSA-10 is $5000.00

If you had the means ($$) which card would you buy ??

(These are NOT my cards, but cards that are up on auction)

5STAT

gotta go with the 70...it's a high number and actually has a better eye appeal than the OPC...

Though a few years done the line...the OPC will probably catch up in price..as they are harder to find than the Topps versions..

JonB

Without a doubt I would get the OPC. For one its less than half the price, but mainly because its a much, much more rare card. There will be more 70 Bench cards graded a 10 as time goes on... that might be the last OPC we ever see graded a 10.

Another reason is that the 70 that is pictured almost looks trimmed. In my opinion, the centering on it could be better.

packCollector

<< <i>70 that is pictured almost looks trimmed >>



comments , where? just curious , seems that any high end card posted on these boards gets this quote even though we have never seen them in person. i wonder how anyone has faith in psa if all the high grade cards are such obvious trims in scans and the graders can't tell when they have the card 6 inches from their eyeball using a loupe?


I would go with the opc

JonB

I said it "almost looks trimmed" I was just stating what I saw.... there is no doubt however that its not well centered (especially for a $5000 PSA 10).

The 69 OPC on the other hand appears to have true PSA 10 quality centering for that set.

mikeschmidt

If I had any clue as to how the 1969 OPC set was distributed [since I've never heard of an unopened pack, box or wrapper], I would feel more comfortable with it - but, frankly, I've seen too many high-grade 1969 OPC stars in PSA 10 to be comfortable. I have to believe at this point that there is a risk that some of them may be sheet cut.

Were it not for that, I would say OPC. But, because of that, I defer to 1970 Topps.

speeder

Marc

I believe there are (2) PSA-10 1969 OPC cards of Bench.

And, is it not the policy of PSA to NOT grade sheet cut cards ?

LEE

PS. there is something about the 1969 card that i have always liked, but its kinda hard to put a finger on it. Is it the look of a youthful Johnny Bench, the old uniforms, the trophy,, i don`t quite know ?

Yes, i would like to have a better centered card (1970) for $5000 !!

Make mine, the "69"

packCollector

I would guess that the bench is from a sheet as well but given the 2 choices I would still take it over the 70. there will be more and nicer 70's , there will proably not be any more 69 opc's so you just live with what you have. even from a sheet it is still beautiful even though I hate sheet cut cards

CON40

The 69 OPC Bench is without question cut from a sheet... I've seen this card on a submission that also included a PSA 9 OPC Mays and a PSA 10 OPC Banks... to have all three of these in raw gem mint form is virtually impossible... and as mikeschmidt pointed out, it's not like they came from recent unopened 1969 packs, because there aren't any to open.

speeder

Con40

Or anyone else for that matter.

If in fact the 69 OPC was a sheet cut card, does that change or matter in your decision ?

Would`nt PSA notice the cut, and give it a label of handcut ?

LEE

cuda440

<< <i>Con40



Would`nt PSA notice the cut, and give it a label of handcut ?

LEE >>



that's what i'd like to know. if it's so obvious or apparent that it's sheet cut, then why/how could PSA screw up and not notice it?

riccaboni

If I had to choose between the two, without any knowledge that the '69 may be trimmed, I'd pick the '69. It's one of my favorite cards, with a great, simple design, and a cool photo. I'm a stickler for those rookie trophies, too.

However, after the conclusion comes forth that the card may be cut from a sheet, my opinion varies a little. One side of me says "Well, Ian, all cards come from sheets, what's so different about this one?" and the other side says "Ian, they used modern technology. What you really want is the OPC rough cut." I'm pretty torn on this debate. However, even after the conclusion that it is probably from a sheet, I would still pick the '69.

-Ian

CON40

<< <i>If in fact the 69 OPC was a sheet cut card, does that change or matter in your decision ?

Wouldnt PSA notice the cut, and give it a label of handcut ? >>



Lee... For the most part, I think PSA does their best. A few years ago I purchased a run of BGS 9 and 9.5 OPC Ryans (late '70s-early '80s). I cracked and submitted them to PSA. They were all rejected for eveidence of trimming. Back then, I didn't know about the plethora of sheet cut OPCs in BGS holders, so I re-submitted assuming they'd been mistaken. Again, they were rejected, except on which they graded a PSA 9.

So, I do think PSA tries to distinguish the sheet-cut cards. But, obviously, the varying skills and leniencies of their graders will let some slip through from time to time.

As far as the '69 OPCs, it's kind of a no-brainer that these woudl be sheet cut. No one has seen unopened '69 OPC material in many years. And most of the raw '69 OPCs in circulation are nowhere near mint. Not to say that a few mint and gem mint examples don't exist, buty when 3 of them turn up in a single submission, that's a huge red flag that someone slipped some sheet cut copies by a grader.

speeder

Keith

Thank you.

I do realize PSA is human and capable of mistakes.

Here is what i was looking for,, from PSA

"The Grading of Hand Cut Cards
PSA will grade virtually any card that has been hand-cut off of a panel, box, etc. (Post Cereal, Hostess, Bazooka, Strip cards, etc.) keeping the following information in mind. This service does not include traditional sheet-cut cards. PSA will not grade cards cut from sheets that can be obtained in a normal fashion. For example, PSA will not grade a 1979 O-Pee-Chee Wayne Gretzky card cut from a sheet because that card was issued in non-sheet form".

Thank you, LEE

packCollector

if a card is available with factor cuts , they will not grade any hand cuts. This card is from a sheet but given the option of these 2 cards , i would still choose it over the 70.

jayhawke

I would go with the '69 OPC.

NickM

Years ago I bought some groups of late '60s and early '70s OPC cheaply on Teletrade, and the '69 OPCs in that group (about 30 or 35) were all cut sharply. Many were quite OC, but some would definitely be PSA 9 or PSA 10 candidates (including a Maury Wills that I got signed last year).

I have also bought from different sources HOFers from this set on eBay, and they were all cut sharply (although most were OC).

I think the '69 OPCs may have not been produced with the same cutting process as the mid-'70s OPCs (I'm guessing they were possibly cut by Topps), thus leading to a higher quality card.

Nick

80sJunkie

gotta go with the opc