nice trick, ebay..
pandrews
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store fees are going up one week from tomorrow..
so they would like for everybody to move everything from your store to auction format listings.. that way, you'll have to pay the increased fees to put them back in your ebay store..
http://pages.ebay.com/promo/storetocore/
so they would like for everybody to move everything from your store to auction format listings.. that way, you'll have to pay the increased fees to put them back in your ebay store..
http://pages.ebay.com/promo/storetocore/
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Rich
<< <i>Between listing fees, final value fees and Paypal while most bidders bid at or about wholesale on items its not worth it any more to list things on Ebay. >>
Still way cheaper than any other retail approach known to mankind !
<< <i>I don't call it a trick by ebay but instead good stategy.
Rich >>
good for you.
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THAT is a FACT !!!
Small investors, however, are probably about to get hurt
pretty badly, if the incompetent leadership is not
removed soon. Those leaders will almost certainly be gone
by July 2007, but they really need to leave now.
storm
I have already seen several of the big store listers notifying me that they will be closing their sites up!!! Way to go ebutthead!!
will be closing their sites up!!! Way to go ebutthead!! "
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Some will close and most will return, if they want to sell their cards online.
There really is not a site that has ANY traffic-count to compare with eBay.
eBay is guilty of many bad acts, but raising fees is probably not one of them.
storm
<< <i>I don't call it a trick by ebay but instead good stategy.
Rich >>
PS: i don't call you an idiot, but instead a dimwit.
(its kinda the same comparison as "trick" is to "strategy".. )
Rich
<< <i>why an I the idiot? >>
as i said in the other thread, self-explanitory..
<< <i>(heck, I sure hope your not).
>>
*youre
NOTE: The reduced fees for this promotion will not be immediately reflected on the site. Users will receive a credit to their account by end of September 2006.
What the hell is that? And, do I really think ebay is going to refund those insertion fees? I don't know about you, but I'm not going to waste my time and keep track of every auction I did in the 2 day window and then subtract it from the 10 cent fee just to make sure I get refunded properly. Perhaps ebay needs a quick loan and this is way to get, interest free. Yeah, right. Yahoo auctions are looking better all the time. I've noticed that a couple of sellers are running auctions over there, and why not, it's free.
Best,
Jim
Rich
<< <i>why am I the idiot? From what I can see is that you're the idiot for not understanding the strategy. I guess it's a good thing that you're not a manager of any sort in your real job (heck, I sure hope your not).
Rich >>
you know how in that other thread, you said something about explaining what you say? yet in this thread you didnt explain your dumbass statement about it being a strategy..
now let me clarify a little further why your original post in this thread was stupid.. OF COURSE IT IS A STRATEGY by ebay.. and the comparison of "strategy" to "trick" is about the same as the debate as to whether or not you are a "dimwit" or a "idiot".. either one will work fine..
<< <i>once again.......somone starts a thread and gets pissed off because another member doesn't agree with him. If you can't handle a difference in oppinion, why even start the thread in the first place? Did you really expect everyone to agree with you?
Rich >>
no, i didnt get pissed off, it just re-confirmed your idiocy.. how did you not agree with me?.. sounds to me like you agreed with me 100% by calling it a strategy, but first made a fool of yourself by saying you dont "call it a trick"..
Any good business person puts together a stategy to make as much money as possible. From what I see, ebay is doing this. The only people calling it a trick are the sellers that were stupid enough to be using ebay as a sole source of income instead of using it as a tool to supplement their sales. With this said, you claim that this is a trick by ebay instead of a strategy. Why would you say it is a trick.....you never did explain your reasonings! From what I see from you, you more than likely don't have a reason. However, you do have a lot of hot air! Now, as far as me being an idiot......I disagree. However, I sure will admit to being an big hole with an "A" in front of it when needed. Now, what's your story?
Rich
edited to add: if Perry says it's a trick, that's good enough for me.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Thank you for bring this to my attention, as I am not familiar with the latest aspects of ebay stores. Its good to know when the Wizard of Oz is at it again.
RichG, sit down. I prefer to listen to pandrews. Deception is an ingredient that some choose to include in their strategy. In this case, it is legal deception, but in my opion, it is still lacking in integrity.
1977 Topps Star Wars - "Space Swashbucklers"
You can listen to whoever you want to. I understand that you and a few other people here easily get confused when they see two different sides to any story (some people can't think for themself), so I do apologize for confusing you. I applaud ebay for using the strategy it is using. You call it deception, but I call it a good organzied plan to make as much money as possible. Ebay is out to make money just like everyone else. Isn't it?
Rich
As long as you're here and have put forth a different spin on this, why do you think it is a good organzied plan to make as much money as possible? As a businessman, I maximize profits creatively by cutting costs, utilizing different markets, etc. Any idiot (no offense) can try to make more money by simply raising prices, but that, in and of itself, only succeeds in alienating buyers, driving some buyers out of the market and attracting no new ones. So tell me - why is this a good strategy?
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I'll be glad to explain the stategy.....
First of all, I agree 100% that a good business man will maximize profits by cutting costs and utilizing different markest. However, this is only a piece of the puzzle. Timely price increases are also needed. Ebay is obviously trying to get back to being an auction site and not a store. Turn over ratio is not only good for sellers, but it is also obviously good for ebay. Ebay is increasing the store prices in an effort to get sellers to increase their turn over ratio (heck, alot of store sellers have their merchndise priced as high as mall prices which leads to merchanside just sitting). This is just one reason as to why ebay is increasing prices. As for the main reason...........Ebay currently has a search contract with google that expires in November of this year. At that time they will be switching over to Yahoo. The current amount of junk items in stores will cause a problem during the conversion over to yahoo and it may even crash the system. The increase in store prices was a plan to lower the amount of dead merchansie sitting in stores thus allowing for a smoother conversion process.
I'll be in meeting the rest of the day and unable to respond to questions or comments until later tongiht (if I'm not too tired).
have a good day all.
Rich
all you did was state the obvious.. OF COURSE ITS A TRICK, A TACTIC, A STRATEGY, A DEVICE, A PLAN, A CLEVER MOVE, A STRATAGEM, A PLOT, A METHOD, A SCHEME, A MANEUVER, A PLOT..
but you are the only person dumb enough to argue about which one it is, when in fact it is ALL OF THE ABOVE.. expand your vocabulary..
<< <i>I don't call it a trick by ebay but instead good stategy.
Rich >>
i wouldnt call it a cancer-stick, but instead a cigarette..
i wouldnt call it a beer, but instead a alcoholic beverage..
i wouldnt call it king-kong, but instead an overgrown ape..
i wouldnt call RichG a moron, but instead an extremely LOW-IQ individual..
i wouldnt call it a sports card, but instead a baseball card..
i wouldnt call it a snatch, i call it tang..
i wouldnt tell you to kiss my ass, but instead tell you to plant your lips on my ass..
This can be slippery slope for them now and could have an adverse effect on them in the future. Many sellers are already being beaten up by the ebay and paypal fees, taking a modest chunk out the of final sale. That's why some, not all sellers, have increased their prices to make up for those overhead charges. When ebay goes up on there prices next week, the vicious cycle continues until either the seller has had enough, or the seller begins to limit inventory in a move to reign in cost. Either way, ebay loses, seeing a decline in overall store merchandise and little or no increase in the auction style format, maybe even a drop.
There is one other alternative for those who are selling on ebay, they can move to another auction site. I went over on Yahoo auctions and did search on graded cards last night. What I noticed was that there were a few new names over there listing quality items that weren't there a little while ago, vcihak, omegalm2 and a couple of others. Now, that may not seem like a lot, but, that's how ebay started, and any company that loses a customer, they'll be the first to tell you that it's almost impossible to get them back. I've also started listing auctions on Yahoo as well under the id Magic_Mancer (old yahoo id, don't ask). While they don't have a store format yet, their auction style setup is similar to ebay and there's no charge for auctions which is music to my ears and I'm sure everyone else.
I heard someone say that those sellers who close up stores would be back, I say, don't count on it. As sellers migrate from ebay to yahoo, the playing field will begin to change. More and more sellers will make the move and the buyers will soon follow when the selection becomes greater than that of ebay. As I make my transfer I'll be gradually reducing my store quantities until there's nothing left, finally closing the store and being rid of overbearing fees ebay sees fit me to incur. Change is coming.
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<< <i>I don't call it a trick by ebay but instead good stategy.
Rich >>
i wouldnt call it a cancer-stick, but instead a cigarette..
i wouldnt call it a beer, but instead a alcoholic beverage..
i wouldnt call it king-kong, but instead an overgrown ape..
i wouldnt call RichG a moron, but instead an extremely LOW-IQ individual..
i wouldnt call it a sports card, but instead a baseball card..
i wouldnt call it a snatch, i call it tang..
i wouldnt tell you to kiss my ass, but instead tell you to plant your lips on my ass.. >>
-- Yogi Berra
-- Yogi Berra
The deserted sites getting filled with merchandise are
still going to be deserted sites. Instead of being
"deserted sites with no listings," they will become
"deserted sites with listings."
There are too many choices available for buyers and
they are not at all interested in making choices. They
will continue to shop where they always have: eBay.
Not even google will deliver the buyers like eBay can.
My family members now have stores and listings on
sites that I never even heard of before. None of
those sites earns; but they may earn as time passes.
I am all for having lots of stores in lots of places. But,
I also KNOW, that eBay is going to be the place where
the most buyers are for a very long time.
I also like having a web-site, but it is very expensive to
do it right. The profits are high, but the volume is tiny.
SEO that drives visitors is very costly and there is no
guarantee that the SEO merchants can deliver eyes.
Sellers opening at new places are making the right
decision. But, they need to keep some presence on eBay
if they want to continue to make volume sales.
eBay is going to be changed dramatically over the next
24-months. They will probably merge or be snatched up.
They will remain the leader in the field no matter what
happens; not forever, but for a long time.
storm
Further, is an ebay store a good deal for a low to medium end seller? i.e. those who don't list many items in their store or those whose profit margain are already stretched to a paper thin line? Yahoo auctions would be perfect for them, sales will probably be slower at first, but, every sale would maximize profit. There comes a time when the breaking point is reached, much to the chagrin of ebay. Once upon a time it was a good deal, now, not some much.
Best,
Jim
<< <i>youre >>
** PA ** That would be you're.
You're the idiot here not me. If all you can do is start a thread on how you feel that ebay is "playing a trick" without expalining why you disagree with their price increases.....then what have your proven? If you're going to disagree with something at least have enough common sense to also show why their plan isn't good and what you would do different if you were running the show. Hell, this reminds me of the Democrats who want to pull out of Iraq but are not smart enough to realize the consequences of such a move.
The bottom line.....
I gave my reasons as to why I believe ebay is doing the right thing and you have shown nothing.
I'm not sure who is more stupid.....you or Bri. Are you guys brothers or partners?
Rich
<< <i>Andrews:
You're the idiot here not me. If all you can do is start a thread on how you feel that ebay is "playing a trick" without expalining why you disagree with their price increases.....then what have your proven? If you're going to disagree with something at least have enough common sense to also show why their plan isn't good and what you would do different if you were running the show. Hell, this reminds me of the Democrats who want to pull out of Iraq but are not smart enough to realize the consequences of such a move.
The bottom line.....
I gave my reasons as to why I believe ebay is doing the right thing and you have shown nothing.
I'm not sure who is more stupid.....you or Bri. Are you guys brothers or partners?
Rich >>
Rich, you truly are retarded. I challenge you to point out anywhere that I said I "disagree" with ebay. Let me know when you find it. Actually, you WON'T find anywhere I've said such a thing.
And then you tell me that if Im going to disagree with something, at least explain it? Give me a break, I DIDN'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING in my first post, I SIMPLY STATED THE FACTS.
so RichG, I also challenge you to find ANYTHING i stated in the first post of this thread that was not 100% FACT.
You have quite the imagination to think I've said otherwise.
The FACT of the matter is EXACTLY what I posted.
Do you dispute the FACT that eBay promoted this special in order to get store owners to move their listings to auction format? If you disagree with this fact, please let me know.
Please continue to prove your stupidity.
The difference between me and you is that you only can state the obvious (your first post). I on the other hand can explain why ebay is doing what it is doing. Plus, one doesn't have to come right out and say that they disagree with ebay but can also show they disagree by the wording they uses (as you have done). Next, anyone who reads this thread can obviously see when the flaming started (your third post in this thread) and who started it. With this said, do you really think I would ignore you and let you act like an idiot? Some people believe in turning the other cheek.....however, I don't. I'm more than willing to stoop down to your low level! You must be as confused as the idiot pictured above your name.
Rich
<< <i>Andrews:
The difference between me and you is that you only can state the obvious (your first post). I on the other hand can explain why ebay is doing what it is doing. >>
LOL @ you "explaining" what ebay is doing..
LOL @ you "stating the obvious" with your dumbass "strategy not a trick" statement..
what are they doing Rich? THEY ARE HAVING A SPECIAL FOR STORE LISTINGS TO BE MOVED TO AUCTION FORMAT.
why are they doing this Rich? BECAUSE THEY ARE RAISING THEIR STORE FEES.
did i already say the same thing in my original post? YES
is this a trick or strategy on ebays part? ABSOLUTELY
is this a good thing for eBay? OF COURSE IT IS, THEY MAKE MORE MONEY.
sounds like all the explanation anyone needs..
PS: RichG, you ARE NOT a pharmacist, you only WORK for a pharmacy. FACT.
There is always a REASON why people do things. Anyone knows the facts, but the smart people understand the reasons behind the facts. You undersand the ebay is raising it's fees. However, you are too stupid to understand all the reasons behind the move. However, I was nice enough to help you out and explain them to you.
Now, I challenge you to go back to page one and find who turned this thread into a war of words! It's kind of obvious, but since your obviously slow it may take you awhile! Let me know when you find the answer.
ps....If I wasn't the pharmacy and store manager...do you really think my boss would let me sit in the office and keep typing to a fool as yourself?
rich
<< <i>Andrews:
There is always a REASON why people do things. Anyone knows the facts, but the smart people understand the reasons behind the facts. You undersand the ebay is raising it's fees. However, you are too stupid to understand all the reasons behind the move. However, I was nice enough to help you out and explain them to you.
Now, I challenge you to go back to page one and find who turned this thread into a war of words! It's kind of obvious, but since your obviously slow it may take you awhile! Let me know when you find the answer.
Rich >>
RichG, i dont give a crap about who turned it into a war of words. If it was me, good. Let me continue the war of words by saying: RichG, you have an extremely low IQ.
Please go back to your job as a Pharmacy Technician at Walgreens now. I hear the pharmacist calling you.
Rich
<< <i>With this said, who has the low IQ?
Rich >>
you.
you are the self-proclaimed "good businessman" that works under a pharmacist at Walgreens down the road..
as for me, im gonna head out to the beach for a couple of hours.. i think i'll stop at Walgreens on my way and buy some sunscreen..
enjoy your day at work..
On the way to the beach stop in and fill out a few job applications. I here that Mcdonalds is usually hiring. I'm sick of my tax money going to people like you. Go get a JOB!
Rich
pandrews,
a lot you know! they moved the hemorroid cream to aisle 7 three weeks ago. and besides that old lady Smith doesn't have hemmoroids anymore, now she has a yeast infection.
<< <i>Andrews:
The difference between me and you is that you only can state the obvious (your first post). I on the other hand can explain why ebay is doing what it is doing. >>
Wow, I didnt know that we had Ebay upper management here on the PSA boards.
Anyway, I was thinking...even with all the things that don't sell in the stores, it's guaranteed monthly income they can count on. Even when they do sell, they make a pretty good commission. Hard to rationalize giving that up but I am not in their accounting department.
If Ebay wants to make more money and keep their stockholders happy, maybe they should look into more investments outside of the Ebay/Paypal world like other good, strong companies do. Maybe they do, I dont know because I have no interest in wasting my time researching for that answer. Instead, all I see is alienating people who wish to do their business on Ebay.
I am anxiously awaiting the day there is a strong competetor to Ebay. The door is cracking open...sooner or later someone will step through that door and give Ebay some real competition.
<< <i>Andrews:
On the way to the beach stop in and fill out a few job applications. I here that Mcdonalds is usually hiring. I'm sick of my tax money going to people like you. Go get a JOB!
Rich >>
heh.
The door is cracking open...sooner or later someone will step through
that door and give Ebay some real competition."
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I dunno.
A competitor will first have to find a way to lure buyers.
Sellers cannot do that simply by loading up the shelves.
My family of gypsy rag-merchants are trying every alternative
venue there is. None of them are worth a darn because the sites
have no buyers........... just sellers. Free listings, free stores,
but no buyers.
eBay is worthless right now too, for cheap cards. Used clothing
is still hot, and some folks are still buying electronics for more
than they would have to pay at Circuit City, etc. Anything to do
with collectibles seems to be in the hole; except the really good
stuff.
I wish it was different, but I have not a clue how to make
it different.
storm
<< <i>Hell, this reminds me of the Democrats who want to pull out of Iraq but are not smart enough to realize the consequences of such a move. >>
All this, and a shrewd political analyst to boot.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
what would they be?
Iran would take over Iraq and become even more powerful than what they already are in the mideast. They would then control the oil we need, and without a doubt would also get nuclear weapons and harves even more terrorist than what they do now. Even though we probably made the wrong move in invading Iraq, we can not turn back now, and if we did it would make matters even worse than what they currently are.
Rich
<< <i>sports:
Iran would take over Iraq and become even more powerful than what they already are in the mideast. They would then control the oil we need, and without a doubt would also get nuclear weapons and harves even more terrorist than what they do now. Even though we probably made the wrong move in invading Iraq, we can not turn back now, and if we did it would make matters even worse than what they currently are.
Rich >>
Would that be an opinion or a fact ?
-- Yogi Berra