Can I get some opinions

lawnmowerman

I bought this card a few years ago, back when I only collected BGS. I got away from buying BGS cards and usually buy PSA or SGC now. What Iam thinking of doing is cracking this and sending it to PSA. Of course I have some reservations but the card looks great. I dont plan on selling it so that may help me in my decision.

What to you guys think? Should I do it? Pros & cons?



thanks

Matt

DaBigHurt

I understand your desire to holder the card with PSA because PSA is the brand of choice for millions of collectors and make the foundation for all great collections, but there's a very good chance the Clemens might come back trimmed or altered if you submit it to PSA. With BGS grading so inconsistent, if you try resubmitting that 9.5 to BGS, BGS might grade it a 9 or a 8.5. You never know with those clowns.

A suggestion I'd like to offer is for you to sell the BGS 9.5 on some unsuspecting buyer on Ebay and with those proceeds, buy a PSA graded Clemens instead.

ChrisC

Looks like a 10 to me, but Hurt could be right!

joestalin

Hurt is about as unbiased as Joe Orlando's mother!

The reality of the situation is this. You need to figure out when this card was graded. Do that on the beckett website. If it was more than a
few years ago then you have an undergraded card on your hands....if you can believe that! If you are into taking chances why not re-submit
it back to BGS, who is now much easier on cards as they were a few years ago. Even if you broke it and got a PSA 10 you wouldn't be
getting anymore money for it, and actually I think a BGS 9.5 would outsell a PSA 10 in this case.

Hurt's last comment was about the only thing logical in that in whole post. If you want a PSA 10, then sell the BGS and buy a PSA 10 which
is just as nice as the card you have.....I would also bet that you would have some money left over too

Good Luck
Kevin

oddball

a BGS 9.5 would sell higher than a PSA 10 on this card. i'd leave it.

Lothar52

Stalin is correct..i just crossed (busted it out myself and did a dag on good job of it) a BVG 4.5 1954 topps willie mays to a PSA 7!!!! YES....back in they day they undergraded...NOW they overgrade....who knows what your card will grade..i have a BGS 9 graded back in late 1990s that looks just like yours hehehe

Loth

bri2327

I wouldnt even consider cracking that card out. A BGS 9.5 will bring you some good coin. Sell it off, buy a PSA 10 with the $$, and youll still have some cash left over for a few more Emmit cards.

pandrews

<< <i>I wouldnt even consider cracking that card out. A BGS 9.5 will bring you some good coin. Sell it off, buy a PSA 10 with the $$, and youll still have some cash left over for a few more Emmit cards. >>



indeed.. thats what i would do also..

blindflyer

Lawnmower,

I would also sell as-is and then buy back one already holdered PSA.

I recently cracked a '60 maris BVG 7 and it came back a PSA 8. I'd think that '84 is "modern enough" to attract BVG collector's attention.

just my 2 cents.

bri2327

OR, you could resubmit it to BGS 25 times till they bump it up to a BGS 10 and BOO-YA...payday !!!!

ZUP

<< <i>Just what we need. Idiots (all of you) trying to post their political beliefs on a sports card forum.

Congrats on getting the thread nuked. >>



Why don't you relax.... I'd sell the 9.5 and buy a PSA 10

lawnmowerman

<< <i>I wouldnt even consider cracking that card out. A BGS 9.5 will bring you some good coin. Sell it off, buy a PSA 10 with the $$, and youll still have some cash left over for a few more Emmit cards. >>





Great point! I could always use some more Emmittts.

Thanks all

Matt

SDavid

You might not even have to ebay it. Bgsbrad would probably buy it from you for more than a psa 10 would cost. I'd email him and ask if he's interested.

CDsNuts

I have a strange question: What the hell difference does it make?

It's still the same card no matter what slab it's in, and if you don't plan on selling it, it's not going to do you any good paying more money to put it in a different slab. You always hear everybody say "buy the card, not the holder," but so few people here actually practice that as evidenced in this thread. You have what appears to be a close-to-perfect card. Why would you sell it, then buy another in a different slab which may or may not be in better condition (we all have seen some suspect PSA 10's), unless there's some kind of flaw on the BGS 9.5 you can't get over. Why would you crack and submit to PSA, risking damage (from you or PSA) to a near perfect card in order to get it into a different slab if you're not going to sell it? It's not like you're cracking to get a better grade, so why would you even consider it?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Lee

phreakydancin

<< <i>I have a strange question: What the hell difference does it make?

It's still the same card no matter what slab it's in, and if you don't plan on selling it, it's not going to do you any good paying more money to put it in a different slab. You always hear everybody say "buy the card, not the holder," but so few people here actually practice that as evidenced in this thread. You have what appears to be a close-to-perfect card. Why would you sell it, then buy another in a different slab which may or may not be in better condition (we all have seen some suspect PSA 10's), unless there's some kind of flaw on the BGS 9.5 you can't get over. Why would you crack and submit to PSA, risking damage (from you or PSA) to a near perfect card in order to get it into a different slab if you're not going to sell it? It's not like you're cracking to get a better grade, so why would you even consider it?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Lee >>

Post of the day!

lawnmowerman

<< <i>I have a strange question: What the hell difference does it make?

It's still the same card no matter what slab it's in, and if you don't plan on selling it, it's not going to do you any good paying more money to put it in a different slab. You always hear everybody say "buy the card, not the holder," but so few people here actually practice that as evidenced in this thread. You have what appears to be a close-to-perfect card. Why would you sell it, then buy another in a different slab which may or may not be in better condition (we all have seen some suspect PSA 10's), unless there's some kind of flaw on the BGS 9.5 you can't get over. Why would you crack and submit to PSA, risking damage (from you or PSA) to a near perfect card in order to get it into a different slab if you're not going to sell it? It's not like you're cracking to get a better grade, so why would you even consider it?

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Lee >>

Well, to answer your question, I just started today listing my cards on the set registry. I prefer psa as oppossed to bgs now. So I would like to have my collection mostly made up of psa slabs to list on my registry. In a bgs slab I cannot do that because I dont want to have a registry over there.. Thats why I would consider it.

ps Whats your address? I can have those pills to you by the weekend.

Matt

rbdjr1

Look at this card!

This seller is asking $1600 bucks for a PSA 10!

Maybe u should sell yours too?

rd

update: PSA has graded 3,074 of this Clemens card, with 180 PSA 10's and 1,321 PSA 9's. And SMR for a PSA 10 over $1100

Stone193

Matt

I don't think you need a lecture on "buy the card, not...."

So, I'll leave it with good luck on finding a card for your registry set or if you choose to do a cross-over.

One thing - why not just sent it to PSA - ask they're opinion and if they think it's good enough for a 10 - then ask them to crack it and grade it?

mike

envoy98

<< <i>I wouldnt even consider cracking that card out. A BGS 9.5 will bring you some good coin. Sell it off, buy a PSA 10 with the $$, and youll still have some cash left over for a few more Emmit cards. >>



Exactly what I was gonna say. Looks like a terrific card, but sell it and oversell the subgrades if they're very strong, then buy a psa 10 and some more cowboy's stuff.

CDsNuts

Sorry if I sounded a little harsh, but my point is this: why screw around with a card as beautiful as this Clemens? Especially when you're not going to find one in better condition regardless of what slab it's in, and BGS slabs are a b*tch to crack so you run a high risk of dinging, denting, or scratching said beautiful card.

More than anything, I'm complimenting lawn on his amazing card and recommending he not do anything he might later regret. I didn't mean to come off condescending.


If pros and cons are the topic, I would say this:
Pros of cracking and submitting to PSA- He gets the card in a PSA 10 slab and has more consistency in his collection.
Cons- He runs the risk of turning a $1200+ card into a $100 card, and even if he does get it cleanly into a PSA 10 holder, he adds no value to the card.

Pros of selling the BGS and buying PSA- Might break even or make a few bucks, and gains consistency in his collections.
Cons- Probably won't find a card in better condition thereby downgrading his collection, and might even lose money on the deal.



Lee

lawnmowerman

<< <i>Sorry if I sounded a little harsh, but my point is this: why screw around with a card as beautiful as this Clemens? Especially when you're not going to find one in better condition regardless of what slab it's in, and BGS slabs are a b*tch to crack so you run a high risk of dinging, denting, or scratching said beautiful card.

More than anything, I'm complimenting lawn on his amazing card and recommending he not do anything he might later regret. I didn't mean to come off condescending.






Lee >>

Thats okay Lee .no problem. I understand your reasoning and your points.

I am Sorry about the "pill" comment.

Matt

Stone193

I edited my post and will add:

Two classy guys in the end: Matt and Lee.

mike

CDsNuts

I've been taking crazy pills for quite some time now. It's only when I mix them with alcohol do I get surly.

Lee

joestalin

did you sell it yet?

Stone193

<< <i>did you sell it yet? >>





<< <i>I dont plan on selling it so that may help me in my decision. >>



Hi Kevin

I think some people missed the point here - Matt said he had no intention of selling and the main purpose for the query had to do with having the card in his registry.

mike

pandrews

are the pills a good buzz?.. i'll take some too please..

lawnmowerman

<< <i>Matt

I don't think you need a lecture on "buy the card, not...."

So, I'll leave it with good luck on finding a card for your registry set or if you choose to do a cross-over.

One thing - why not just sent it to PSA - ask they're opinion and if they think it's good enough for a 10 - then ask them to crack it and grade it?

mike >>

Thank you Mike! That sounds like a plan

Matt

Stingray

<< <i>a BGS 9.5 would sell higher than a PSA 10 on this card. i'd leave it. >>