wow actually bought some 1952 topps today!

Ahmanfan

I bought a bunch of higher grade common type stuff (and a 65 mantle HR leader!)
but this was the best of the best... I hardly ever see '52 topps in person. and if I do, it's a beat common. Anyway here are the 3 I picked up today (for $150 total.. not sure if that is good or bad. I suppose it depends what they grade at) The best card is that Jensen... I think it's really a nm/m card.






So did I get my butt kicked at full book value?
thanks
John

52mantlebuyer

john, you're not gonna like the results when they come back on mr jensen, he has been operated on and will most likely not be holdered

Ahmanfan

Thanks for your reply. If that's the case, then that's a little disappointing.

52mantlebuyer

hope its not, but check the right edge of the card, to the right of jensen's elbow

Ahmanfan

The cut actually looks consistently rough all along that right edge. Although I am no expert on this set (or any set when it comes to stuff like this)

JOhn

Tabe

<< <i>The cut actually looks consistently rough all along that right edge. Although I am no expert on this set (or any set when it comes to stuff like this)

JOhn >>


The right edge on the Jensen looks U-shaped to me - like somebody used an Xacto, but took too much out of the middle part of the edge.

Tabe

Stone193

John

I agree the right side of the Jensen looks odd?

Why not carefully stand the card on that edge and see if it's square or bowed/curved - which may indicate some bad surgery?

Hope it's just an illusion?

Otherwise, I like the cards! Where did you get them and can you return the Jensen if trimmed?

mike

Wizardsguildcards

I just did some quick measurements and unless it is an illusion created by the scan the Jensen is defintly U cut on the right side. This would make me wonder about the other 2 as well even though I do not see any obvious signs.

I do see some angling in the borders of the other 2, could be just a miscut. Its not bad but it could be a signal.

Ahmanfan

I wonder why someone would trim a card like that. I figured usually trimming was doneto help with corner wear. What tiny flaw on the edge ofthis beautiful card would make some nut want to slice on it?
Jeeeeeez
John

PS: I havent checked yet to see if it is an illusion or not...

Ahmanfan

Well, I stood it up on the edge, and it rests flush and is square. So I guess it is just an optical illusion.

Here is a scan that may help show the card better... the reason it looks like it does I think may be because the card is slightly bowed like some newer chrome cards are.



any more opinions on this card?? thanks for the help so far!
John

Buccaneer

It's just my opinion that you would not find 52s in those alledged condition unless they were already graded. All three would come back trimmed.

slatsme

There are many beautiful 52's not yet graded. Just like there is a market solely for graded cards, believe it or not there is still a market for raw cards. Not surprised John found one in this condition - they're out there.

BigDaddyBowman

Those are very nice looking cards!

Wizardsguildcards

I went to a show today and you would be amazed at the people who were turning their noses up at the very few graded cards that were there. 2006 Football singles were the biggest movers at this show.

I have found outside of the internet unless you are at a major show graded cards are harder to sell than raw cards.

Stone193

<< <i>It's just my opinion that you would not find 52s in those alledged condition unless they were already graded. All three would come back trimmed. >>


Steve
There are still plenty of 52T sets out there that have not been graded and in exmt to nrmt condition.

The Pologrounds sells them all the time and the guy overgrades but his reputation is outstanding with respect to selling clean cards.

mike

Ahmanfan

Buccaneer, they very well may be trimmed. Although I believe (and hope) they are not... but I am not an expert. But I have collected enough to spot some more obvoius card problems.

I do think there is a large market for raw cards... I hardly see any graded cards locally. Many stacks and stacks of high end, low end, raw cards. I think 90% of colletors out there (and even high end collectors) collect raw cards. ALLLLL the collectors on the internet are but a very small percentage of all collectors I believe.
JOhn

Buccaneer

I know about the popularity and amount of raws as I have far more completed raw sets and cards than I do graded ones. But I thought I had read that you found these loose in a box (implying at a shop or show?). If so, I would expect that these have already came back ungradeable (or hard-to-see wrinkles) as have been my personal experiences and what I have heard from others. Good luck though.

Ahmanfan

I found this in a group of about 150 52's I looked through at a show. Some were low grade, there were quite a bunch that were vg or ex, about 20 exmt, and these 3. I guess that isn't conclusive, but that is how I came about them.
John

slatsme

Here is an 8 to compare

Ahmanfan

thats a great looking 8!

A761506

Nice looking cards, however good luck, I am also going to guess you're going to get 3 rejected cards for trimming. The right edge of the Jenson looks suspect, as well as the right edge of the Pramesa, and the left edge of the Ryan.

Ahmanfan

Well, I guess you guys are probably right. Ugh. Seems like I'm always on the wrong end of the shaft jobs this hobby can produce.

Really necessary to make an exmt card into an exmt+ looking card thats worthless? I dont get it.

pandrews

<< <i>Well, I guess you guys are probably right. Ugh. Seems like I'm always on the wrong end of the shaft jobs this hobby can produce.

Really necessary to make an exmt card into an exmt+ looking card thats worthless? I dont get it. >>



dont sweat it, hope for the best.. theyre nice looking cards.. i did notice the right side of the jensen, but the other two do not look trimmed to me.. and im also not convinced the jensen is trimmed.. i'd have to look at it closer..

were the cards laying flat on a scanner when you scanned them or was there any curve to them? (im not talking about the edges, but the card itself)..

Ahmanfan

the jensen has a bit a curve like the chrome cards do. so that may explain it. that edge is square.

pandrews

<< <i>the jensen has a bit a curve like the chrome cards do. so that may explain it. that edge is square. >>



exactly.. if the card isnt laying perfectly flat on the scanner, it can give a curved look that might make someone think its trimmed..

Ripken

'52 Topps have some crazy cuts on them. The only way to find out if the Jensen has been doctored is to submit to PSA. Looks like maybe a 7 to me if it's good. That's a nice find.

softparade

NICE looking 52's man. Send them in. $150 bucks? You have noting to lose brother. I personally would not be so sure about how legit these cards may or may not be judging by a scan. Alot was said about a supposed "u" shape on the right edge of the Jensen. You provided a scan that disputed that pretty good. have fun with them and don't let anything get you down.

Scans and cameras can do funny things to what is being pictured. trust your own gut because YOU are the only one with the cards right in front of your face