Greyside grades in

1960NYGiants

Rec'd 6/13/06 shipped 8/11/06

1 - 10114691 - 1947 S$1 Blunt 7 CANADA Cleaned - ?? has spot behind neck, didn't notice cleaning
2 - 10114692 - 1937 50C CANADA MS62 xICCS63
3 - 10114693 - 1951 50C CANADA MS63
4 - 10114694 - 1952 50C CANADA MS62
5 - 10114695 - 1955 50C CANADA MS63
6 - 10114696 - 1894 25C CANADA VF35
7 - 10114697 - 1880-H 10C CANADA Scratch or Rim Nick xANACS55 OUCH!
8 - 10114698 - 1938 10C CANADA MS63 xNGC63
9 - 10114699 - 1891 5C CANADA XF45 xNGC45
10 - 110114700 - 1944 5C CANADA MS64 xICG67
11 - 110114701 - 1957 5C CANADA MS64 xICG67
12 - 110114702 - 1901 1C CANADA Questionable ColorRB - grrrrr!
13 - 110114703 - 1903 1C CANADA MS63RB
14 - 110114704 - 1908 1C CANADA MS64RB from Allen Berman as "nice UNC" at $60. Thank you Allen!
15 - 110114705 - 1918 1C CANADA Questionable ColorRB xICCS63RD this was 2nd attempt
16 - 110114706 - 1919 1C CANADA Questionable ColorRB xICCS63RD this was 2nd attempt
17 - 110114707 - 1931 1C CANADA MS63RB xICG65RB
18 - 110114708 - 1940 1C CANADA MS64RD xICG67RD
19 - 110114709 - 1951 1C CANADA MS64RD xICCS65RD
20 - 110114710 - 1864 1/2C N.SCOTIA MS64RB - chaching! Got this one from Ron Guth at $75. Thank you Ron!

Still having trouble with copper colors. Time to invest in one those portable halogen lights to take to the shows, LOL.

bosox

Gene,

Don't feel alone. PCGS has been heck on cleaning/artificial color for grey copper lately.

Rob

tonyhar

PCGS seem to have a problem with ' Cleaned ' on Canadian coins. I have had a number of original coins returned BB over the last few months and can see no reason for most of them.
I have slowed my submissions as I donot want to waste the money. Four or five submissions a month is down to one a month!

ajaan

<< <i>1 - 10114691 - 1947 S$1 Blunt 7 CANADA Cleaned - ?? has spot behind neck, didn't notice cleaning >>


Bet it isn't cleaned. I had a 1947 PT7 BBed by PCGS, then 'slabbed' by CCCS. Like Rob and Tony said, PCGS is brutal on Canadian bronze coins, they have questional coloritis.

6 - 10114696 - 1894 25C CANADA VF35
An EF40 is worth 2.5x more. Would like to see this one.

MacCrimmon

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<< <i>1 - 10114691 - 1947 S$1 Blunt 7 CANADA Cleaned - ?? has spot behind neck, didn't notice cleaning >>


Bet it isn't cleaned. I had a 1947 PT7 BBed by PCGS, then 'slabbed' by CCCS. Like Rob and Tony said, PCGS is brutal on Canadian bronze coins, they have questional coloritis.

6 - 10114696 - 1894 25C CANADA VF35
An EF40 is worth 2.5x more. Would like to see this one. >>



Don't feel too bad; other than you're wallet is lightened for nothing.


That 1837N13 LC with Questionable Color is the Noyes plate coin which has a pedigree dating to Joe Flynn in 1964......noting those same colors


IMO, I dare say Bill Noyes knows one hell of a lot more about early U.S. copper, and natural color(s) than anyone at PCGS.

bosox

Here's one of my latest economy orders. I admit I occasionally get fooled on one, but this seems a little over the top.

1 1 08819691 30043 1891 1C Lg Dt Lg Lv CANADA CleanedRB
2 1 08819692 32929 1943-C 1C NFLD MS62RD
3 1 08819693 32935 1947-C 1C NFLD MS62RD
4 1 08819694 30043 1891 1C Lg Dt Lg Lv CANADA CleanedRB
5 1 08819695 30082 1901 1C CANADA CleanedRB

Total Items: 5

1960NYGiants

Just reviewed my records:

I've submitted 139 Canadian coppers and 121 have graded since 2003. All but one of the 18 that did not grade were "questionable color" from the grading years 2005-2006.

I guess my "eye" has changed as I got older.

bosox

Conversely, I just found out that this coin, which PCGS recently graded MS-63 RB, was cross graded by ICCS as MS-62RB "Dbld 1941". Seems no matter which direction you try to cross grade lately, you lose.