Pattern newp

boiler78 · August 9, 2006 11:43AM

This is a recent purchase...... Ok so it's been 5 months but it has taken me that long to get an image that does the coin justice and I just got this one from Phil today so in a way it is sort of a newp.

I am really interested in learning more about it. All I have is the first edition of Peck (I assume there were later editions) where it is listed as exceedingly rare. I am really hoping one of you guys can add to that knowledge?

worldcoinguy · August 9, 2006 11:57AM

That deserves a WOW!

bosox · August 9, 2006 11:58AM

Beautiful coin. I know the Royal Mint was experimenting with new 1/2d and 1 d designs in bronze in 1858 and 1859. They had just done the 1858 and 1859 Canada cents in bronze, which I think were their first bronze coins.

JZrarities · August 9, 2006 12:38PM

OMG!

MacCrimmon · August 9, 2006 12:50PM

I'll check the library tonight or in the morning for additional info......in the meantime, YOU SUCK!!!!

I presume that is the Stack specimen, correct? Simply superb.

lordmarcovan · August 9, 2006 1:46PM

Uhmm...

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Dang. I can't seem to say anything. That has me speechless.

cwt · August 9, 2006 1:57PM

<< <i>I'll check the library tonight or in the morning for additional info......in the meantime, YOU SUCK!!!!

I presume that is the Stack specimen, correct? Simply superb.

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I believe that there were two specimens of this very rare pattern in the Stack's sale. I had thought about bidding on them myself, but unfortunately did not. Here's a link to the NCS "e-Newsletter" depicting the other example.

NCS e-Newsletter

robertpr · August 9, 2006 2:24PM

koincollect · August 9, 2006 3:55PM

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<< <i>I'll check the library tonight or in the morning for additional info......in the meantime, YOU SUCK!!!!

I presume that is the Stack specimen, correct? Simply superb.

>>

I believe that there were two specimens of this very rare pattern in the Stack's sale. I had thought about bidding on them myself, but unfortunately did not. Here's a link to the NCS "e-Newsletter" depicting the other example.

NCS e-Newsletter >>

Boiler78's coin looks to be the same as the NCS one!

koincollect · August 9, 2006 3:55PM

Sweet coin! Love it.

coinpictures · August 9, 2006 8:45PM

Oywoofus. Me wants. Gorgeous.

theboz11 · August 9, 2006 8:58PM

boiler78 · August 9, 2006 10:04PM

There were two examples in the Stacks sale although I think it is erroneous to catalog them with the same Peck number. The other example was struck in brass.

I sent the coin to NCS to remove lacquer remnants and a couple of small PVC spots which I felt was necessary to preserve the coin. I am not a big proponent of NCS but in this case I think they did a great job.

Now back to the original purpose of the thread. Can anyone tell me where I can learn more about the coin beyond the Stacks lot description?

MacCrimmon · August 10, 2006 1:21AM

The Freeman text (copyright 1970) shows this pattern variety as Freeman 699. It is listed as an R19 (2-5 estimated specimens). Freeman notes that the reverse is very similar to the Una reverse but missing some of the details (Goldberg's should have a good enough plate to do a fine analysis of the comparitive die differentials). Freeman does confirm the flan as bronze but with a diameter of 27mm (as opposed to 27.2mm).

This piece is an official BRM execution and striking (B.M.C. 1993). The design engraving is attributed to James Wyon.

Of this general 'decimal penny' design type, I count 15 different patterns with seven of them listed as R20 (believed unique; and probably all in the British Museum Collection - Peck may confirm that). The others are mostly R19, with one or two listed as R18 (6-15).

As to the other pattern, lot #225, Freeman does not make a specific note about another distinct alloy, but he makes a general comment about all the official patterns existing with varying 'shades' of bronze alloys, etc. We might presume that the BRM did indeed conduct test strikings in brass alloys as well, as #225 showed.

That's pretty much it; unless you can find a letter from the BRM Director to James Wyon discussing the specifics of resurrecting the beloved Una.

Cheers.