Wagner update--Co-Owner responds

boogfan

The guy responded on Vintage Baseball cards. This should get very interesting. He has been trying to sell this fake on ebay for years and every time eBay took it down. Why is it taking so long this time? Maybe it's time for the media to find out about this fake. Anybody have any connections to the media? Damn I hope so!!!

Wagner Guy Responds

Wagner Auction

LWMM

Correct Reply Link

Allen

wow- he is calling out the most famous baseball card in history while his has more question marks around it than that Matthew Lesko guy on TV.



<< <i>5. I would say most of you guys in this chat room are big fan of the PSA-8 Honus Wagner. But do you know the history behind that card. The PSA-8 card has been call a fake, reprint, etc.. No one wants to talk about that topic. I guess that because PSA graded it and you guys don't question big companies, like they don't make mistake or do dirt. Have you guys being keeping up with the news on big companies and PSA lawsuit on forgery signature. Check it out for your self and you guys have so much faith in PSA and other grading companies. It's big business, did you know and if you don't then ask some body. So did PSA authenticate the PSA-8 card the way our card has been authenticated SCIENTIFICALLY. NO and if so show me the paper work PSA on the PSA-8 Honus Wagner card (fiber test, EDS, etc..). Oh lets not say you guys don't believe in science, I bet when you get very ill you will believe in science to make you better. >>

Carew29

I got tired of all the misssssspellings( was that 4 or 5 s's?) . I did love the word "Authenticty" though

LWMM

Yeah, he should consign it to Mestro auctions--I also love this sentance:
I see that there are a lot of player hater in the house, full of jokes but know facts

goose3

never trust anybody that has the spelling and grammar of a second grader and never trust anyone with 1 eyebrow.

baseballfanatic

I'll check those Wagners out on my next trip to coppertown.....

MorrellMan

These guys are an embarrassment to humanity.

FJ

<< <i>wow- he is calling out the most famous baseball card in history while his has more question marks around it than that Matthew Lesko guy on TV.



<< <i>5. I would say most of you guys in this chat room are big fan of the PSA-8 Honus Wagner. But do you know the history behind that card. The PSA-8 card has been call a fake, reprint, etc.. No one wants to talk about that topic. I guess that because PSA graded it and you guys don't question big companies, like they don't make mistake or do dirt. Have you guys being keeping up with the news on big companies and PSA lawsuit on forgery signature. Check it out for your self and you guys have so much faith in PSA and other grading companies. It's big business, did you know and if you don't then ask some body. So did PSA authenticate the PSA-8 card the way our card has been authenticated SCIENTIFICALLY. NO and if so show me the paper work PSA on the PSA-8 Honus Wagner card (fiber test, EDS, etc..). Oh lets not say you guys don't believe in science, I bet when you get very ill you will believe in science to make you better. >>

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Wagner

gemint

Wow! An auction firm with an astronomic feedback rating of 49. I'm sold!

VintageJeff

The arrogance is sickening.

FifthScaleRacer

My favorite line is this:

"It's big business, did you know and if you don't then ask some body."


lol

2dueces

The cards is as fake as his so called experts.
None of them know a thing about baseball cards, but they are experts.
The real experts are the people who know T206's and not one person has any doubt that it's fake, fake, fake.
The seller playing the race card makes me sick to my stomach.
This whole thing is going to leave a black eye for our hobby if it sells to
some un informed moron.
I know it won't sell, but you never know.
Biggest thing is why doesn't ebay pull it.
They have pulled every ungraded Wagner for the last 4 or 5 years.
Why is this so different? Just my 2 cents.

2dueces

I have never reported an auction to e-bay, but I want to now.
Someone please provide me with the link to report this scam.
Thanks in advance. Joe

52mantlebuyer

When the pimp's in the crib ma Drop it like it's hot Drop it like it's hot Drop it like it's hot When the pigs try to get at ya Park it like it's hot Park it like it's hot Park it like it's hot And if a ni**a get a attitude Pop it like it's hot Pop it like it's hot Pop it like it's hot I got the rolly on my arm and I'm pouring Chandon And I roll the best weed cause I got it going on Uh! I'm a nice dude, with some nice dreams See these ice cubes, see these Ice Creams? Eligible bachelor, million dollar boat That's whiter than what's spilling down your throat The Phantom, exterior like fish eggs The interior like suicide wrist red I can excercise you, this can be your Phys. Ed Cheat on your man ma, that's how you get ahizzead Killer wit the beat, I know killers in the street Wit the steel that'll make you feel like Chinchilla in the heat So don't try to run up on my ear talking all that raspy sh*t Trying to ask me sh*t When my ni**az fill ya vest they ain't gon pass me sh*t You should think about it, take a second Matter fact, you should take four B And think before you Fu* k wit lil skateboard P I'm a gangsta, but y'all knew that Da Big Bo$$ Dogg, yeah I had to do that I keep a blue flag hanging out my backside But only on the left side, yeah that's the Crip side Ain't no other way to play the game the way I play I cut so much you thought I was a DJ [scratches] "two!" - "one!" - "yep, three!" S-N double O-P, D-O double G I can't fake it, just break it, and when I take it See I specialize in making all the girls get naked So bring your friends, all of y'all come inside We got a world premiere right here, now get live! So don't change the dizzle, turn it up a little I got a living room full of fine dime brizzles Waiting on the Pizzle, the Dizzle and the Shizzle G's to the bizzack, now ladies here we gizzo I'm a Bad Boy, wit a lotta ho's Drive my own cars, and wear my own clothes I hang out tough, I'm a real Bo$$ Big Snoop Dogg, yeah he's so sharp On the TV screen and in the magazines If you play me close, you're on a red beam Oh you got a gun so you wanna pop back? AK47 now ni**a, stop that! Cement shoes, now I'm on the move Your family's crying, now you on the news They can't find you, and now they miss you Must I remind you I'm only here to twist you Pistol whip you, dip you then flip you Then dance to this motherFu *king music we crip to Subscribe ni**a, get yo issue Baby come close, let me see how you get loose! Better bid on ma Honus So I can give ya' ma bonus

Stone193

<< <i>If my card is a reprint. What company reprinted my card ( topps, dover, honus wagner estate, etc...) All the reprints out their have a orgin ( Companies that printed them ) If you call it a reprint then WHO REPRINTED THE CARD. >>


I have no idea where this guy is going with this kind of reasoning? A good con artist should at least appear to be smart IMO.

mike

boogfan

But it gets better. He responded again. Hilarious

He can't handle the Truth!!

schr1st

Don't playa-hate. Educate!

In all seriousness, those posts are probably the dumbest things I've ever seen, and I'm someone that has sat through all of the Police Academy films AND the Comedy Central Pamela Anderson "Roast", so I know dumb when I see it.

Stone193

<< <i>And remember that science is the glue to the Universe, with out it you and I wouldn't exist. >>


I can live with the fact that he is trying to pawn off a piece of crap as real.

And I do have a very healthy appreciation for science and technology.

Perhaps he can use the "Big Bang Theory" to validate the "origin" of this card?

But, I sure hope my existence is predicated on more than "his science?"

I posted this on the net54 board - his first post was a novelty - his second is just plain stupidity.
I have a lot of patience with dumbasses - but this one may have plucked my last nerve!

mike

LWMM

<< <i>The cards is as fake as his so called experts.
None of them know a thing about baseball cards, but they are experts.
The real experts are the people who know T206's and not one person has any doubt that it's fake, fake, fake.
The seller playing the race card makes me sick to my stomach.
This whole thing is going to leave a black eye for our hobby if it sells to
some un informed moron.
I know it won't sell, but you never know.
Biggest thing is why doesn't ebay pull it.
They have pulled every ungraded Wagner for the last 4 or 5 years.
Why is this so different? Just my 2 cents. >>



BLACK eye!!! You're being racist, watch out!!!

TheCARDKid

This is the quote of the day on Net 54.....bravo.

"T206 cards are not a mystery, the only mystery around here is what you've been smoking". LOL

Oh man, what a train wreck. I'm suprised he got so many well thought responses. Let me know if this thing ever makes it into a PSA holder....

schr1st

The day that card makes it's way into a PSA holder is the day that eBay will be crushed with graded card listings, as every collector here and elswhere dumps every single PSA card they own.



<< <i>This is the quote of the day on Net 54.....bravo.

"T206 cards are not a mystery, the only mystery around here is what you've been smoking". LOL

Oh man, what a train wreck. I'm suprised he got so many well thought responses. Let me know if this thing ever makes it into a PSA holder.... >>

Ripken

I'm issuing a press release Wednesday on behalf of my web site SportsCollectorsDaily.com explaining why having this card submitted for authentication and grading is the ONLY route to take. Hopefully some media outlets will pick up the story. You can locate it via PRWeb.com.

schr1st

Here is what I'm hoping happens in this situation: the auction continues to run, and is sold to one of the casino or on-line gambling IDs. Then these 2 guys are going to have to explain to some rather scary people why the card they bought for over $300,000 (for the publicity of it) is being rejected by every grading company in the world. Karma does work in mysterious ways.

gemint

If they were smart, they would have taken the $10k when it was offered to them.

On another note, I wonder how accurate paper dating is? Can they accurately authenticate my 1990s commons?

mercurynut

He could end the controversy just by having it graded or at least a letter from PSA stating it is real.

schr1st

But that's the problem. It's most likely not real, and then they wouldn't have that plausible explanation that "they want to be in the room with the card when it is graded".



<< <i>He could end the controversy just by having it graded or at least a letter from PSA stating it is real. >>

carew4me

One other thing is very clear.

THOSE NET54 GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS!

If you doubt it, just ask em

2dueces

<< <i>One other thing is very clear.

THOSE NET54 GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS!

If you doubt it, just ask em >>



You know of a larger source of vintage collectors?

How much of an expert do you need to be to know this is fake?

If you had a vintage card and had questions about it, would you

not trust the collectors there?

I guess that makes them experts.

MantleMarisFordBerra

Those Net54 guys ARE the experts. No joke. But one thing that is a joke is whoever is posting as the owner of the fake Wagner...no way it's one of the real owners, its gotta be somebody just havin' fun with that board. After all, the real owners of the card couldn't possibly be that stupid.









Could they?

Brian48

They may very well be that stupid. In reading the article, their main concern about about sending the card in for grading is that they will temporarily lose sight of it and they don't trust PSA/SGC. What he/they don't seem to understand is that the very target audience whom they're trying to sell this card to does happen to trust PSA, SGC, etc.. Given the publicity that has surrounded this card, I really doubt a public company like PSA would screw a customer over like this when the very premise of their business is based on integrity. If the card is legit, then all this can simply be resolved by just sending it for authentication. Given that he has not done so, I firmly believe that he has doubts himself that this card is authentic.

NickM

If you read Mike Wentz's post to the first Net54 thread, you'll understand what these guys are all about.

Nick

Ahmanfan

The card isn't authentic, and the whole thing seems pretty comical to me. That card should just get ripped in 10 pieces and thrown in the garbage, and that should be the end of it. What a waste of everyones time and (their) money.

John

Brian48

Well, then again, if someone is stupid enough to plunk down $300K for this despite lack of authentication, I suppose he got what was coming. Not being a collector of the T206's, I didn't realize the glaring differences between this card and the originals.

Ahmanfan

if I saw any card that dirty with that sharp of corners, I would know it's not authentic. t206 wagner or otherwise

52mantlebuyer

youz is no experts, my honus aint bogus

jimq112

Is the one on the left the rare "no border around picture" variation?

craig19

i thin kthe one on the left is actually the very rare BILLY WAGNER rookie...i think he came up in the pittsburgh farm system

theczar

those two are not the real owners. here are photos of the actual pair that possess the card. they are both men of the cloth.






and by the way i am tired of the man keeping us down

fdnyladder7

<< <i>One other thing is very clear.

THOSE NET54 GUYS ARE THE EXPERTS!

If you doubt it, just ask em >>



Carew,
I realize it was meant as a silly post... But I need to reiterate; Those VBC guys have devoted countless hours researching the origination, and provenance of some amazing, classic sets. What may appear as arrogance to visitor is often times weariness at the repetitive and frequent pop-in requests of,' "Is this card worth, blah blah?" or "I got these at a tag sale. Are these real?"

They take pride in knowing all the hundreds of nuances and variations and have unselfishly advised many vintage _students_, undoubtably saving many from certain heartbreak. I for one have benefitted from their extensive research, in knowledge and more importantly in cash savings.

These honorable collectors are at the top of the game and are a priceless resource in this leach-infested hobby. Stop by, run a search and you'll discover, it ain't your run of the mill Geek Squad.

Pardon the lengthy rant.

*As for this Honus, I'd love to have it!


-Between the back spokes of my Stingray.

scottopotamus

The last time I saw a description of a product that was this misleading was "Crunchy Frog" from the Whizzo Chocolate Company!



"I think it's be more appropriate if the box bore a great red label warning lark's vomit."

phreakydancin

The auction has been taken down.

GOODLIEU

This story has now jumped onto the pages of Sports Illustrated (8/21/06) and Real Sports is also going to run a piece on it.

oddball

he might have had a shot at convincing me if he hadn't thrown in the race card...and WMD's??? wtf do WMD's have to do with a baseball card? what a goofball...