Does anyone have this catalog and perhaps prices realized from the sale?? I'm interested in anything you can tell me relevant to Lot #3044 as described in the listing. Thanks.
<< <i>Does anyone have this catalog and perhaps prices realized from the sale?? I'm interested in anything you can tell me relevant to Lot #3044 as described in the listing. Thanks.
Al H. >>
Try Joe O'Connor. He's great with that kind of thing.
I've got it and can give you an answer after I get home tonight. Alternatively, Boiler78 sent me these catalogs (extras) and he has the prices realized list as well. So PM him and maybe he can reply faster.
Tom
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Type collector since 1981 Current focus 1855 date type set
Just my opinion ; Do you honestly think these "pieces" resided in the Eliasburg Collection ? I may be wrong but my gut feeling is NO .
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."
1. Nassau Water Works - white medal 2. Crystal Palace - white medal 3. Crystal Palace - copper 4. Prize Fight Heenan & Sayers - white medal 5. 2-1876 key medals - white medal 6. 2- Columbus medals - 1 in copper / 1 in white medal 7. Jamestown - gilt 8. Taft & Diaz - copper
<< <i>Just my opinion ; Do you honestly think these "pieces" resided in the Eliasburg Collection ? I may be wrong but my gut feeling is NO . >>
I can't speak to your gut feeling, but an example of HK-29 was in the Eliasberg collection in the group lot referenced. Since it was unplated, there would be no way to prove that it is in the fact the same piece though.
<< <i>Just my opinion ; Do you honestly think these "pieces" resided in the Eliasburg Collection ? I may be wrong but my gut feeling is NO . >>
I can't speak to your gut feeling, but an example of HK-29 was in the Eliasberg collection in the group lot referenced. Since it was unplated, there would be no way to prove that it is in the fact the same piece though. >>
Thats the point I was trying to make !
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."
BTW, is there a listing in the catalog of a picture or something somewhere else which shows these medals and provides a tie to Eliasberg?? that's really not very important since they can stand alone, but the connection is interesting. what i find even more interesting is the fact that the medals aren't holed for suspension as many claim they were made that way. i have always thought that to be a hollow presumption and to date i don't think there's a single issue in the SC$ listings that i haven't seen unholed.
keets, wasn't the existence of an unholed version one of the main criteria that H&K used to determine what they would list? I thought I remember a discussion from somewhere that the only exception was HK-2, which they included "because of its importance" or something like that, even though they'd never seen an unholed version...?
"Fair use" allows exerpts, so here is the lot description.
3044 So-called dollars and related items:
Nassau Water Works. White Metal. AU
Crystal Palace, New York.43mm. White metal. AU. Quite scarce
Crystal Palace. Sage #1 in the "Odds & Ends" medal series. Reverse inscription ALL / IS / VANITY, possibly a philosophical comment on the destruction of the elegant glass and iron building; however, in truth it had become a white elephant by the time it was burned in 1858. Dies by Lovett. Copper. Plain edge. Uncirculated, 40% red
Prize fight between Heenan & Sayers, April 1860, for the world championship, showing bust of victor Sayers. By Smith & Hartmann. White metal. AU. Quite rare today, although in the 19th century W.E. Woodward larded his catalogue listings with many offerings of them
1876 Key medals in white metal, 37mm (2): one is Liberty seated (in casual imitation Longacre and Barber patterns of the era); the other is the Liberty Bell. Both Uncirculated. First has slight contact marks, other mostly brilliant
Two Columbus medals both unlisted in Rulau. One facing 3/4 bust, similar to Rulau-B14, by G.H. L(ovett) with reverse "From Deepest Barbarism to Highest Civilization." Uncirculated. Full red copper. Thick planchet. 31mm The other has bust left, 1492-1892. Reverse: Chicago 1892 400th anniversary. White metal. 31mm. Uncirculated, prooflike
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<< <i>Does anyone have this catalog and perhaps prices realized from the sale?? I'm interested in anything you can tell me relevant to Lot #3044 as described in the listing. Thanks.
Al H. >>
Try Joe O'Connor. He's great with that kind of thing.
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Type collector since 1981
Current focus 1855 date type set
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
1. Nassau Water Works - white medal
2. Crystal Palace - white medal
3. Crystal Palace - copper
4. Prize Fight Heenan & Sayers - white medal
5. 2-1876 key medals - white medal
6. 2- Columbus medals - 1 in copper / 1 in white medal
7. Jamestown - gilt
8. Taft & Diaz - copper
Realized $880.00
<< <i>Just my opinion ; Do you honestly think these "pieces" resided in the Eliasburg Collection ? I may be wrong but my gut feeling is NO .
I can't speak to your gut feeling, but an example of HK-29 was in the Eliasberg collection in the group lot referenced. Since it was unplated, there would be no way to prove that it is in the fact the same piece though.
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<< <i>Just my opinion ; Do you honestly think these "pieces" resided in the Eliasburg Collection ? I may be wrong but my gut feeling is NO .
I can't speak to your gut feeling, but an example of HK-29 was in the Eliasberg collection in the group lot referenced. Since it was unplated, there would be no way to prove that it is in the fact the same piece though. >>
Thats the point I was trying to make !
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
so much for that theory of production.
BRB, I need to go bid on smoething
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
3044 So-called dollars and related items:
Nassau Water Works. White Metal. AU
Crystal Palace, New York.43mm. White metal. AU. Quite scarce
Crystal Palace. Sage #1 in the "Odds & Ends" medal series. Reverse inscription ALL / IS / VANITY, possibly a philosophical comment on the destruction of the elegant glass and iron building; however, in truth it had become a white elephant by the time it was burned in 1858. Dies by Lovett. Copper. Plain edge. Uncirculated, 40% red
Prize fight between Heenan & Sayers, April 1860, for the world championship, showing bust of victor Sayers. By Smith & Hartmann. White metal. AU. Quite rare today, although in the 19th century W.E. Woodward larded his catalogue listings with many offerings of them
1876 Key medals in white metal, 37mm (2): one is Liberty seated (in casual imitation Longacre and Barber patterns of the era); the other is the Liberty Bell. Both Uncirculated. First has slight contact marks, other mostly brilliant
Two Columbus medals both unlisted in Rulau. One facing 3/4 bust, similar to Rulau-B14, by G.H. L(ovett) with reverse "From Deepest Barbarism to Highest Civilization." Uncirculated. Full red copper. Thick planchet. 31mm The other has bust left, 1492-1892. Reverse: Chicago 1892 400th anniversary. White metal. 31mm. Uncirculated, prooflike
Jamestown 1907, gilt AU
Taft & Diaz. Oct. 16, 1909. English inscriptions. Copper. Mottled Uncirculated. Scarce.
(Total: 10 pieces)NSDR - Life Member
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