please guesstimate the grade pcgs gave this coin and most importantly why do you think so?? UPDATED

michael

some particulars about the coin which i know you have to grade from a photo

above average frosty cartwheel lustre
and a medium thick skin of golden orange with a tinge of rose
over the totally original never dipped surfaces
with no reeding marks or major hits over the surfaces
highly unusual as such for a layafette dollar

first circulating dollar coin or any post 1792 federal mint coin that does not have a demonination spelled out somewhere on the coin

first coin to have a former living president or any real person on it

the first large sized silver dollar commem coin and the next would not be until i think the 1994 olympic commem dollar coin

with all the modern commem silver dollars you need this first issued coin for a complete set!!

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if someone could please give me their e mail IN A PM so i can send the photo to them and they can resize it with no loss of detail AND THEN post it to fit on here??

eyoung429

Here on the CU server:



From offline storage:

Leiana

It says "Lafayette Dollar" on it.

But anyways-That is some lovely original toning! If I didn't know better, I'd say it was a gold coin.

-Amanda

michael

wow thanks eyoung you did a freakin fantastic 110% great job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mirabela

OK, I'll bite. I'll guess MS61. I don't see the rub to make it an AU coin, but there are fairly widespread minor marks and a couple substantial scratchy digs to the left of the horse's front legs.

Admittedly, I don't know thing one about grading these, so I am ready to be off by a mile. A grade of 61 would make this a very appealing coin for the money.

michael

well yes lafayette dollar is not one dollar

a huge difference

name a usa coin that has the word dollar/dol. on it that does not have half or one or quarter quar. before the word dollar

ziggy29

<< <i>name a usa coin that has the word dollar/dol. on it that does not have half or one or quarter quar. before the word dollar >>

The gold dollar. It has a numeral '1', not the word spelled out.

michael

okie without the numerial one meaning one dollar on it.............. lol

michael

technically weather it is spelled out of with the numerial 1 by the dollar it still means one dollar

lafayette dollar does not mean one dollar

DennisH

That looks like a nasty, deep scratch in front of the horse's legs, and I would bodybag it for that reason. Otherwise it appears to be MS62-ish to me.

michael

zig and amanda you got to guess the grade and why you think so and there are no wrong answers

if you look at some early commem books or do a search on google for layafette dollar there are sites that tell you where to look for first wear and then after reading this go and take a look see at this coin and offer your guesstimates from a photo

too bad i cant show you both in person sight seen

michael

photo highlighrs the almost invisable staple scratch in front of the horses leg when viewed in person sight seen

barely grazes the surface in hand sight seen

Leiana

I don't see any wear on it, but there are some rather nasty dings here and there. I'll say MS61.

-Amanda

ziggy29

If the reports on the luster and eye appeal (apart from the scratches) are accurate, I'd give it a bump to 62, but honestly, with those scratches near the horse's front leg -- unless this image severely overstates their prominence -- I can't see much more than that.

ddbird

Not too sure...its either AU58, or a 63 would be my guess.

I only say AU58 becuase it looks like slight wear on the riders leg, but I dont know the series well enough to know if that is typical weak strike.
Also, becuase of the lack of marks, I assume its spent some time in circulation...not enough for it too loose its luster, but enough for it to erase some of the larger marks associated with this coin.

I hoping for a 63/64 though.

Either way its an incredible piece

Moose1913

<< <i>first circulating dollar coin or any post 1792 federal mint coin that does not have a demonination spelled out somewhere on the coin >>

Moose1913

<< <i>name a usa coin that has the word dollar/dol. on it that does not have half or one or quarter quar. before the word dollar >>

BlindedByEgo

I'll go out on a limb and say MS64 - the hits make it a technical 63, nice strike and a 1 point bump for original surfaces.

ziggy29

<< <i> >>

That's not a legitimate coin. It (and the 1885) are numismatic apocrypha. Show an 1883 or earlier, and you are right.

123cents

I'll say MS-62.

Moose1913

<< <i>That's not a legitimate coin. It (and the 1885) are numismatic apocrypha. Show an 1883 or earlier, and you are right. >>

This should work:



And to help stay on topic I'll say MS62... although I don't know how it would get into plastic with that staple scratch.

michael

myself i grade it an ms 62 as there is no wear

pcgs graded au58

MikeInFL

AU 58 is the grade PCGS gave it.

I grade it AU 63. Super eye appeal, and out of the ordinary luster for the issue.

Clearly there's some rub, but the eye appeal pushes its value over the normal AU...Mike

[edited to add: Horay for me!]

mirabela

That is the most excellent AU-holdered Lafayette dollar I've ever seen, probably. I seem to remember Teaparty having one in PCGS 58 last year that looked like a humdinger, but one way or the other that is a fine coin for (presumably) a terrestrial price.

michael

you are totally correct on the price mirabela it would sell for an ms 62 money but since these have a high basil value not much difference in price from a true slider and ms 61-62 that is usually rubbed

it was not the teaparty coin though..............

it is unc and in person looks much better

MrBreeze

I agree with the 58. I have a better looking Lafayette that is also a 58. A dealer told me to look at the leg to grade them. If you look at the leg, compared to the MS coins, it is definitely a giveaway.

michael

sweet i want YOUR coin!!